Not sure we can say Yoro, Ugarte and Maz were Ten Hag signings.
De Ligt seems likely, and maybe Zirkzee, but we're probably just assuming as he's dutch.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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De Ligt seems likely, and maybe Zirkzee, but we're probably just assuming as he's dutch.
From the outside, it's basically impossible to judge if this is the right or wrong decision. Maybe Ratcliffe was acting like a child, but maybe Ashworth was more interested in playing politics than winning trophies (ie by falsely claiming he had nothing to do with the Ten Hag decision). It's very difficult if not impossible to correctly judge when you don't know the full story.
How that works is only one person or group makes a bid after inquiring.
Sums it up!
I will not have his waistcoat banded around this office willy nilly.
Yeah but then almost immediately it came out he was gunning for his mate Southgate. Which was just weird.
It’s ruthless and it is what we need. Yes, the optics are not great but who bloody cares about the optics if it’s the right decision. We haven’t sacked a visionary like Johan cryuff for goodness sake. You all are losing your mind over someone who wanted to appoint Gareth fecking Southgate.
This gives me hope that Ratcliffe isn’t fooling around and is very serious and would be very cut throat in the summer too when it comes to culling the squad. He’s 72. He knows he doesn’t have the time to waste and he isn’t afraid to take big decision if required. He very much said so the other day.
This gives me hope that Ratcliffe isn’t fooling around and is very serious and would be very cut throat in the summer too when it comes to culling the squad. He’s 72. He knows he doesn’t have the time to waste and he isn’t afraid to take big decision if required. He very much said so the other day.
Or Maybe Amorim system is not well suited to Ashworth style and with this change in direction, it was deemed okay to part ways
I know, I tried to be a bit sarcastic.
Agreed.
Exactly this.
This is Manchester United.
It's not the local Cock and Biscuits Village team where the guy who runs the team can have his son up front and his dad does the treasuring.
If you're not top quality you shouldn't be anywhere near it.
Agreed
I love how you’re trying to insult people who didn’t want an authoritarian country to own us. Because a Director left of all things! Such a non event.
It’s not though is it.
Like Ruben said we are a massive club, not a massive team.
13th in the premier league, getting beaten by everyone from Arsenal to Forest and a shadow of what we were 11 years ago.
Not so much ‘this is Manchester United’ as this is what Man Utd have become.
Who is Sheikh Takeover? Is he a relative of Jassim?
I'm gutted about this, not because of Ashworth per se but because it's yet another setback in this never ending shower of shit.
What a fecking mess Ineos walked into, they've somehow made it worse
What a fecking mess Ineos walked into, they've somehow made it worse
Well obviously the aspiration and quality needed need to be reset.
It doesn't happen overnight though when even your Bournemouths can spend 100s of million and even a Vardy is on 100k a week at a bottom side.
At least it makes us forget the latest horror defeat and moan about this instead!
I can moan about both
We are back!! Good decision
back being a banter club
back being a banter club
Yeah - no idea why fans think we’re any different to any club, it’s the same with the United DNA rubbish as if we have a monopoly on wanting to play attacking football.
We live season to season. We’re currently a club expected to challenge for EL places, that’s just where we are right now but the league is fluid, I don’t think it’s that big a gap from mid table to the top but recruitment has to be right to make the jump (or you do what Chelsea did and basically sign 3 players for every role).
Maybe this point has already been mentioned here, but if for whatever reason it wasn't working with Ashworth, or he was deemed not good enough, then it's actually positive that the club decided to let him go already rather than "give him some time".
For the past decade, for every manager, player and executive, we have been far too willing to give people time even after it's clear they are not up to it. Yes it doesn't look great, but all that matters is results on the pitch. And if Ratcliffe and Berrada feel that the decisions Ashworth has made or was planning to make aren't good enough, then fair enough he should suffer the consequences. For far too long, we've been a club where people make mistake after mistake without any consequences. Hopefully, this is a sign that it is changing.
For the past decade, for every manager, player and executive, we have been far too willing to give people time even after it's clear they are not up to it. Yes it doesn't look great, but all that matters is results on the pitch. And if Ratcliffe and Berrada feel that the decisions Ashworth has made or was planning to make aren't good enough, then fair enough he should suffer the consequences. For far too long, we've been a club where people make mistake after mistake without any consequences. Hopefully, this is a sign that it is changing.
If he wasn't a fit, then great, we move on. If it's just the owner being a puddin, then we have big problems ahead.
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If Ratcliffe was really enraged about this interview https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...er-news/dan-ashworth-omar-berrada-qa-29848710 and it contributed to the sacking, it is indeed nuts.
First of all, it is not just Ashworth, but also Berrada saying the Ten Hag decision preceded their arrival.
And with good reason - does Ratcliffe actually expect and demand them to publicly proclaim they violated their period of notice? They and the club could probably be sued by Newcastle and City and be sanctioned.. I mean it's fecking ridiculous that Ratcliffe would not realize that there is literally no other answer those two can give to those questions.
So Ratcliffe with pomp and much difficulty hires a DoF which he proclaims best in class, and publicly insists that the managerial selection is not "his decision" but that of the "football people" he hires to do exactly the job, only to then.. ?!
It is hard to know what is what with all these stories, but the picture emerging is shocking.
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Pretty much how I feel about it. It’s part of the process. Rather than it showing us as a mess it’s the opposite; quick and decisive action from the leadership when things aren’t working. Feels like we actually have our house in order for once. We’ll be moving players on quickly too in upcoming transfer windows, where possible. They’re ruthless, and it’s probably a bit of a shock to a lot of fans who’re used to a decade of Glazer passiveness.
There's no evidence this is actually true. This was mostly just media speculation since they'd previously worked together.
He took a holiday?
I didn't ask how that works. I said how does that happen. Nobody interested in buying the biggest club in the world.
Ratcliffe quite clearly all over the place. Dangerous.
I don't get how they couldn't have seen what his character and approach was like long before he started with us officially, the buildup to his hiring was long enough?
So what exactly did Dan do that warrented him getting sacked? Its been reported he was against the signing of Zirkzee so its not that and he wasnt the one who made the ridiculous decision to keep Ten Hag so he cant be blamed fpr that F up.
Picturing Ratcliffe as a bit of a brutal old school Logan Roy character here. He thought he hired an expert and saw right through his bullshit.
Reading that, it sounds like they did no research on how Ashworth liked to work and just hired him because he was famous. I'm sure Ashworth was just behaving like he usually has and seems like he didn't mesh well with how Ratcliffe likes things.
This is my take, so no one comes out looking particularly great.
His way of working clashed with Ratcliffe. Basically that.
Sounds like Ashworth isn't as much of a details guy as Ineos want for that role.
The abruptness of the club statement tells all you need to know that this hasn’t been amicable and assumingly Ratcliffe has pulled weight here and effectively sacked him. Ruthless
Sounds to me that Ratcliffe is pissed with how the season has gone and needed a fall guy. Whether that’s rightly or wrongly Dan Ashworth, who knows.