Nothing shocks me about this festering glob of shit we've become. I'm not sure I trust anything I see or hear from anyone involved in this brand, which is all we really are any more.
Dan "The Gardener" Ashworth Has Left | Venit, vidit, non vicit
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If anything makes Jim look like a wanker owner. Mustn't offend Sir Jim.. Ashworth knows a lot more about football than Jim does anyway. Ineos are looking like fools so far.
Club undercut him in the summer. Players knew the club were shopping, he was dead man walking. Especially after he went to the papers wanting to keep McTominay and was forced to sell him.
Twitter is a fecking cesspit and shitshow since that cnut took over, and revenues have tanked. Terrible example.
trueWell then I guess you're thrilled, enjoy it.
Christ, seems like everything we do turns to shite.
I didn’t mean any offense by it, it’s clearly been a difficult time for the club and fans are emotionally charged. If you’re not feeling it then don’t force it.
Perfectly happy thanks, it would have been intolerable to become a shit version of City.
Very happy, thanks.
100%
It's just football, this shit happens. Power struggles, differences of opinion etc.. at clubs going through slumps they happen more regularly. It's easy for everyone to get along when the club is winning.
I find kind of ironic that Utd being shit is almost as entertaining off the pitch as it was when they were winning on it.
My point is that these players don't suit or rather do well in any tactic. If you look at other big teams' squads they wouldn't need far reaching changes to suit Amorim. Ten Hag himself couldn't play the high line because his CB combos were all one paced, Casemiro couldn't play as a single pivot and Bruno+Mount didn't work out as advanced 8s. Rashford and Garnacho in the press, the less said the better.
So my point is even if we hired a coach for the back four he'd still want five or six out because they are the wrong profiles for most modern systems. City, Arsenal and Liverpool use flexible systems that end up looking similar to Amorim's default system, City on the ball have a back 3, midfield box and advanced fullbacks.
As for having extra wingbacks; players adjust they are professional footballers unless of course they play for United. Cucurela was brought in as a wingback but isn't he playing LB in a back 4? What about Pedro Porro, couldn't Alfonso Davies, Trent Alexander Arnold et al play as wingbacks? Aren't they ideal for such roles but have built careers in back fours?
It's not that complicated, players who played for Brazil during their better days were raised to play a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 for their national team but almost all of them had great club careers playing in back 4s. Our players are just flawed and come up short against the physical and technical demands of the modern game.
I wonder if he was asked to leave via the South Gate when given the boot.
We’re all talking about it. So, it’s a thing
Shame it didn't work out as he seemed like a very professional and sensible man.
If he really was pushing for Southgate then that would be a big warning sign. Who knows what happened, I'm sure we will find out more in time.
If he wasn't aligned with Berrada, Wilcox and Amorim on the plan moving forward then maybe it will be for the best in the long run.
If he really was pushing for Southgate then that would be a big warning sign. Who knows what happened, I'm sure we will find out more in time.
If he wasn't aligned with Berrada, Wilcox and Amorim on the plan moving forward then maybe it will be for the best in the long run.
Now we are a shit version of Nice.
Allegedly that was the big stumbling block. At which point it would've made more sense to just let him go then and there instead of triggering the extension, but since the club had already announced he'd stay and get a new contract, they had to save face somehow.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
I'm fine with that, because it's temporary. Regardless, better than becoming a sportswashing vehicle like City.
Well potential falling outs were always going to be a potential issue with the sporting director model, just that it usually happens between the manager and the sporting director.
I just want to focus on the football played for now, the club will eventually hire someone else, and hopefully he'll be on the same wavelength with the rest of the execs.
I just want to focus on the football played for now, the club will eventually hire someone else, and hopefully he'll be on the same wavelength with the rest of the execs.
I’d rather us be relegated than be a sportswashing machine
I want to believe this, but if it's really about Ashworth getting the boot because he wanted to bring in Southgate or some British manager, then wouldn't those kind of discussions need to happen before he was hired in the first place? Surely, a DoF has to sell his vision to the owners before he is even hired? There's no way INEOS come out of this looking good in any way.
I agree, however, about what the Glazers would have done. They would let him stay on and fester. If Ratcliffe/INEOS are going to be making decisive decisions, then at the very least we will know sooner rather than later if they are going to be any good for this club, unlike the Glazers who let things rot to such an extent that any kind of dismissal / appointment seems like a success all by itself.
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Wouldn't have made a difference if all those people walked around with a Jassim face mask. They didn't have a proper bid, Glazers were looking for what Jim offered and the few that were vocal online against have sod all to do with it. Majority of polls wanted the Sheikh or were happy someone else was running the club either way.
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What were you expecting from him so far? He came in during the middle of the window so although our transfer window looks mixed it is still surely too early to judge what is supposed to be a long term appointment. If we are judging anyone it should be ineos who seem to be a complete shambles
Any halfway competent outfit would surely have questioned the wisdom of spending so much money to support ten hag when his job was on the lind
Exactly, unfortunately there was no good alternative that came up through the glazers process
We cant fire Ineos
We had to sign players we believed in regardless of whether the manager stayed
Well - it's getting quite clear that Ratcliffe and his men are completely incompetent at their job
I mean it is a mixed bag, really. On the one hand, it is much better for neonazis, bitcoin bros and incels. On the other hand, it's worse for the rest of humanity. On balance, hard to say.An absolutely wild statement
So Man United were up for sale and only one person made a proper bid. How does that happen.
Exactly. We've been held back in making big decisions for way too long since the Glazers made their sale announcement. It's put the club behind. Waiting on the sale and then waiting on Ashworth and Berrada.
I agree.
INEOS fecked up by not allowing Berrarda to select the Sporting director. And it seems they went ahead and selected people for positions at the club who weren't compatible with each other. So it's hard to align something when executives at the top of the chain like Ratcliffe and Brailsford make blunders to begin with and start to select people who they think are best in class without understanding how it may effect the running of the structure as far as stability goes. I thought they would've learned this by now after their countless blunders at OGC Nice but unfortunately not.
It's not a case of having too many cooks but rather it's about people who don't understand football at the highest level.
And I don't know if Ashworth wanted Southgate but I wouldn't believe bullshitters like Luckhurst and Alex Crook who have regularly been wrong about things surrounding the club.
What this again proves is that the most successful football structures are made up of groups of people who get along with each other. So it's no surprise to see that people in power at football clubs who are employed to work directly or indirectly developing the football side want to work with people who they know and are comfortable with. This is something that Ratcliffe and Brailsford need to understand quickly or things will get ugly if something like this repeats itself again.
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Ashworth: "Ok Ok I got the jist"
SJR: "Seriously Dan, we need to get the best in class and don't forget that we're on a budget. Now whom do you suggest as our new CB signing?"
Ashworth: "Jarrad Branthwaite. He's available for 80m and he can even make Rashford look good"
I mean it shouldn’t be a massive shock they’ve failed in France and Switzerland with their other clubs I seen this coming before it was even finalised
We’re so desperate for the Glazers to feck off that standard practices like hiring football people is seen as a massive revelation when 90% of clubs in Europe have had these people in place for over a decade
The club is a complete farce from top to bottom
Incredible that we spent more time trying to get him / he spent more time on gardening leave than actually being in the job with us.
Not shocked that he is leaving, however. Always felt like a questionable appointment
Not shocked that he is leaving, however. Always felt like a questionable appointment
Must admit this comment on the Peacock video (wth Neville and Howard) had me chuckle:
I'm a bit out of the loop so I genuinely ask what makes you think it was a questionable appointment to begin with?
Bizarre, was supposedly best in class when he was hired