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[Teja]

So if Ashworth can't join till at least August, Berrada late July and if we sack Ten Hag, given we've already got rid of Murtough and Arnold, who is going to identify and negotiate transfers for the summer window?

They have enough people floating about to run a negotiation. They can even hire a 3rd party contractor for a summer. It's not that hard.

The harder thing is the "game model" stuff that they're talking about - what type of football do we want to play? Can Ten Hag have the squad playing that type of football? Which players in our squad can do a job given the type of football we want to play? Where do we need to strengthen? What profile do we want in these areas?

From that we get down to a list of actual names and how much we're willing to spend on each.

It seems like Wilcox will do part of this (the bits to do with setting the type of football to play etc.). I think we'll also get a head of recruitment to do the last part (given a player profile we want, which names do you suggest?)

It'll be nice having Ashworth's judgement / input into all these things but I think between Berrada, Brailsford, Wilcox and co they have it covered. I also assume Ashworth is providing some input into these things and isn't actually just twiddling his thumbs at home.

 

[Damien]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought he didn't really have much say in transfers? He definitely wouldn't be the one picking which targets we go for.

I read that he essentially operates as a connector between all the depts, has some say & sign off over the style/type of target we go for but doesn't go any further than that.

I'm quite sure the role varies from club to club but player recruitment to match team's strategy is supposed to be one of the key areas for a DoF. He would very much have a major say.

https://universidadeuropea.com/en/blog/director-of-football/

When he was at Brighton, the Head of Recruitment was Paul Winstanley and at Newcastle United the Head of Recruitment is Steve Nickson. Sure, he probably would be involved in signing players but I read the same as Sol, that he sets up the various departments.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

20M for an exec position?! WTF...no wonder Ashworth going for arbitration. We shouldn't give in to Newcastle's crazy demand. Is this the world record transfer fees by a mile for an exec position?

 

[AneRu]

When he was at Brighton, the Head of Recruitment was Paul Winstanley and at Newcastle United the Head of Recruitment is Steve Nickson. Sure, he probably would be involved in signing players but I read the same as Sol, that he sets up the various departments.

If he was just a connector both clubs wouldn't be going through so much trouble one to get him and the other to frustrate his move. The Technical Director and Head of Recruitment will report into him but he will have the final call and this is the crucial bit because that's where we have floundered for a decade.

 

[Torino]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

 

[DevilRed]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

Sounds about right for you lot. Petty small club.

 

[horsechoker]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

How does that work?

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

It’s already been reported Utd are happy to sit tight, we’ve got Berrada and Wilcox that can cover Ashworth in the mean time. If you want to continue to pay his salary while he sits at home while also paying his replacement then go ahead, you’ve got very deep pockets after all.

 

[Torino]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

 

[E-mal]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

Small club mentality

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

Well in, mate

I was up for drink driving last year and got called to court, but I just rejected it. Jokes on them

 

[SouthMancRed]

Obviously United are happy with how things are currently working with their three new executives and are not in a position that requires them to fork out Newcastle's ransom. Dan's garden is probably so big it has its own private phone mast. The only loser here will be/is Newcastle.

 

[Random Precision]

Well in, mate

I was up for drink driving last year and got called to court, but I just rejected it. Jokes on them

Arbitration isn’t mandatory unlike a Court, both parties have to voluntary agree to arbitration. Looks like Newcastle have said no, small time mentality some say, I call it telling Man Utd to do one.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

At that level, the consequences would be very severe if breach of trust can be proven - both for Ashworth as well as United. He could hint at some targets via a secure communication app routed via tor but I doubt he'd involve himself beyond that. Remember, he is still legally employed by Newcastle.

You put too much faith in football. Secure communications apps and Tor usage? Nope. It’ll just be handled casually on assumption.

Football is decades behind ‘real’ industries. It’s shady as Fcuk and wholly unprofessional.

 

[AltiUn]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

I wonder why people like you even bother joining the forum, you get giddy in your hatred of United, why on earth would you post here? There's virtually 0 Newcastle-related threads on this forum so you can't even pretend it's to get United fans's views on Newcastle because there isn't any.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Weird bitter Newcastle fans in here. You love to see it.

 

[Garnacho's Shoelaces]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

You are correct and Newcastle are entitled to do what they are doing and I can see why your fans love it!

However, you're damaging your hopes of becoming an elite level club. What other top executive is going to join as Ashworth's replacement, knowing they'll have a year of their career wasted if they try to move on by childish petulance.

The reason this is such a novel situation is that it is typically resolved amicably at the elite level where it's accepted that the best staff move on from time to time. Newcastle's handling of this highlights once again they are not ready to make the step up to being a big club yet.

 

[Remember the geese]

Newcastle fans - Bless em.

 

[gajender]

Weird bitter Newcastle fans in here. You love to see it.

And this over an executive it's bonkers .

 

[rimaldo]

And this over an executive it's bonkers .

they should go down the “how many dissidents have you executed?” route. blow us clean out the water.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

It’ll deter other people from joining, this behaviour. People with high potential don’t want to feel trapped.

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

they should go down the “how many dissidents have you executed?” route. blow us clean out the water.

Your name is brilliant by the way.
Ignore mine

 

[Garnacho's Shoelaces]

they should go down the “how many dissidents have you executed?” route. blow us clean out the water.

Steady on mate, Eddie wants to "stick to football" and ignore where his payslip is coming from, if you don't mind?

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Newcastle fans - Bless em.

They’re a sad, bitter bunch. They’ve been desperate to try and create a rivalry with Utd for years but it’ll never happen as they’ll always be that wee club in the North East no one gives a shit about, regardless of how much money they’ve got.

 

[gajender]

It’ll deter other people from joining, this behaviour. People with high potential don’t want to feel trapped.

Nah it won't make any difference money talks , had this been the case Spurs would have struggled to sign any player under Levy .

 

[stevoc]

Why are Newcastle fans so bitter towards anything United?

In recent times online they seem as bad as Liverpool or City fans. With those clubs i understand it, they're historical and local rivals.

But Newcastle? There's no rivalry there other than beating them to the title 30 years ago. It's odd.

 

[gajender]

they should go down the “how many dissidents have you executed?” route. blow us clean out the water.

Now now don't give them any Ideas .

 

[AltiUn]

Why are Newcastle fans so bitter towards anything United?

In recent times online they seem as bad as Liverpool or City fans. With those clubs i understand it, they're historical and local rivals.

But Newcastle? There's no rivalry there other than beating them to the title 30 years ago. It's odd.

Cause that’s the closest they’ve ever been to being relevant and they completely fecked it and blamed United for it, instead of taking some accountability for it themselves. They could be a super club up there with the other big 6 but they completely blew it, so instead are relegated to the same level of acclaim as West Brom, Palace and Norwich.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Why are Newcastle fans so bitter towards anything United?

In recent times online they seem as bad as Liverpool or City fans. With those clubs i understand it, they're historical and local rivals.

But Newcastle? There's no rivalry there other than beating them to the title 30 years ago. It's odd.

It’s because they’re irrelevant. So what better way to make yourselves relevant by forming a rivalry with the biggest club in the league. Problem is it’s all one sided as Utd fans couldn’t care less about Newcastle so it just makes them look very sad and small time.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Why are Newcastle fans so bitter towards anything United?

In recent times online they seem as bad as Liverpool or City fans. With those clubs i understand it, they're historical and local rivals.

But Newcastle? There's no rivalry there other than beating them to the title 30 years ago. It's odd.

They talked about this on a UWS podcast a while ago

Now that Newcastle are going to start fighting at the top end of the table, seems they’re trying desperately to start a rivalry with United to give them some relevance and feel like a big deal

 

[JinnerJamie]

They talked about this on a UWS podcast a while ago

Now that Newcastle are going to start fighting at the top end of the table, seems they’re trying desperately to start a rivalry with United to give them some relevance and feel like a big deal

Might as well aim for the biggest dog in the yard, whilst we're in a deep sleep...

 

[devilish]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

I bet every staff and player out there would love joining Hotel California at this point

 

[stevoc]

Cause that’s the closest they’ve ever been to being relevant and they completely fecked it and blamed United for it, instead of taking some accountability for it themselves. They could be a super club up there with the other big 6 but they completely blew it, so instead are relegated to the same level of acclaim as West Brom, Palace and Norwich.

It’s because they’re irrelevant. So what better way to make yourselves relevant by forming a rivalry with the biggest club in the league. Problem is it’s all one sided as Utd fans couldn’t care less about Newcastle so it just makes them look very sad and small time.

They talked about this on a UWS podcast a while ago

Now that Newcastle are going to start fighting at the top end of the table, seems they’re trying desperately to start a rivalry with United to give them some relevance and feel like a big deal

Yeah seems very forced on their part. Explains why they're all so worked up about this Ashworth thing as well.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Arbitration is not mandatory….We've chosen against it and tbf Ashworth signed a contract knowing the deal if he wanted to leave. Nobody to blame but himself, he signed it!

Great! We will save the 2M we offered NU. The fans are firmly with the club decision refusing to pay batshit crazy asking price of 20M.

I'm sure we will figured out a way to make this work with Ashworth maybe not in any official capacity.

 

[golden_blunder]

Arbitration isn’t mandatory unlike a Court, both parties have to voluntary agree to arbitration. Looks like Newcastle have said no, small time mentality some say, I call it telling Man Utd to do one.

Do one? United are content to wait. Meanwhile Newcastle are happy to shoot them selves in the foot repeatedly and keep paying him. What does it get your lot? Nothing.

 

[Eyepopper]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Hearing we’ve rejected arbitration and he can’t start for at least another 12 months.

ANOTHER 12 months?

Does the clock keep restarting?

 

[DevilRed]

ANOTHER 12 months?

Does the clock keep restarting?

Its ok. We can just use MS Teams.

 

[Solius]

It’s already been reported Utd are happy to sit tight, we’ve got Berrada and Wilcox that can cover Ashworth in the mean time. If you want to continue to pay his salary while he sits at home while also paying his replacement then go ahead, you’ve got very deep pockets after all.

This is another benefit they getting from winning the lottery. Any other club might feel they’re in a bind and have to work towards a compromise but they’re given the luxury of being able to pay both (with none of their own money).

 

[McFred]

If he’s really not going to be available until 2025 should Utd move on to other options?