Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed

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He's an average player, what's the obsession with him ?

More that we need cover at LB and CB desperately, have no left-footed central defenders and need a DM. Blind could cover all those positions, backing up Carrick and Shaw and playing at LCB if Van Gaal wants to go 3/5 at the back against specific opponents.

LVG seems to trust Blind and supposedly wants a smaller squad. Signing Blind for a reasonable fee would give us a backup for 3 spots, making it easier to trim the squad total.
 
Interesting article about Daley Blind, 6 months ago, before all the WC hype.


Reinvented by de Boer, Ajax’s Daley Blind transforms into the ‘Dutch Lahm’

Innovation swirls around Ajax like leaves, in the Vondelpark, on a blustery autumn’s day. “Almost every club tries to imitate them,” Aad de Mos, who managed them between 1980 and 1985, recently said. “But they are unique and two steps ahead [of their rivals].” What kept Ajax ahead of the game, and could do so again, is the education their footballers receive. One such individual is Daley Blind son of club legend Danny.

His impressive displays at left-back over the last eighteen months cemented his position as one of the most improved footballers in the Netherlands, but the last few months has seen him reinvent himself, moving into the heart of midfield where he continues to excel.

Arguably the tactical manoeuvre so far this season at least the most high profile. But this is nothing new in Amsterdam, the idea (and pursuit) of universality, being comfortable in multiple positions, is central to the club’s ethos and instilled from an early age. Blind isn’t the first player – whilst donning the colours of Ajax – to move into a new position, subsequently making it his own, and will certainly not be the last.

His transformation, in some quarters, is reminiscent of Johan Neeskens who began at right-back – where he greatly impressed – before converted into midfielder tour de force. However it’s more accurate to say Blind has gone back to his roots, a testament to his versatility that he’s an accomplished left-back, for much of his youth playing career he was utilised as a ‘number six’ (or controlling midfielder). Frank de Boer throughout last season (2012-13) hinted Blind’s future would be in midfield it so happened to come to fruition in the following campaign.

His familiarity in the role and Ajax’s modern interpretation oftotaalvoetbal (modified by Johan Cruyff and Louis van Gaal, which De Boer has gradually re-implemented) has made his assimilation smooth. His energy and discipline has become the kernel around which the rest of the side’s panache is constructed. In the role Blind is essentially a ‘third centre-back’ – dropping between the central defenders – and conductor rolled into one. He’s tasked with retaining and recycling possession: averaging 68.6 passes, 2.1 tackles and 2 interceptions per game (according toWhoScored.com).

Blind, who often operates as single-minded man-marker – normally designated to do a job on the opposition’s playmaker – shuttles across the pitch following the ball once with it his impeccable metronomic passing and grandiose football intelligence triggers their positional game/ Ajax in possession morph into a 2-3-2-3, one-touch combination football is second nature to them. In the Eredivisie their pass accuracy (86.8%) and average possession (62.9%) is ranked first (stats from WhoScored.com). He dictates the tempo: whether Ajax needs to slow things down or raise it. This also depends how high up the pitch they are.

The controller, or in De Boer’s system ‘third centre-back’, is the most important position. Sergio Busquets – a revelation under Pep Guardiola and easily Barça’s second most important player – plays a similar role and has long fascinated the former Oranje captain. Guardiola, now managing Bayern Munich, played alongside De Boer for three seasons at Barça and has been a silent influence. As teammates they enjoyed lengthy conversations about the game. De Boer noted how Guardiola back then was effectively a coach. Guardiola equally saw the same.

Both see Cruyff and Van Gaal as a reference and share a steadfast belief in the ‘Ajax model’. Ronald – Frank’s twin – once commented Guardiola is obsessed calling him ‘half-Dutch’. He even approached De Boer to be his assistant at the Catalan giants only for the Dutchman to politely turn the offer down in order to strike out his own path. Guardiola’s four-year stint as Barça manager impacted on De Boer as it showed the ‘Ajax way’, in its purest form, still has a place in the modern game.

No position typifies it more than the controller (see Frank Rijkaard), but Busquets is an up to date version, one that has since been pivotal to De Boer realising his objectives which is to dominate games through possession: circulation football as a means to not only create goal scoring opportunities but also a defensive weapon. If you have the ball the opposition can’t harm you. Blind is equally of most value – if not crucial – when out of possession as he would instigate Ajax’s pressing game (or ‘pressure play’): making the pitch as small as possible (compressing and closing down all space), enabling them to retain possession and win the ball back at times mercilessly more often than not by provoking their opponents into making a mistake.

"The controlling midfielder in the modern game primarily builds [the attack]," De Mos adds. "Philipp Lahm and Blind have shown that." The former, under Guardiola, has thrived in midfield but equally remains as Europe’s finest right-back. Blind is a considerable distance from Lahm’s all-round level but there’s nothing stopping him reaching it.

Blind’s seamless transition is second to his resurrection. Before the arrival of De Boer his future in Amsterdam was bleak. De Boer’s unyielding faith was built on seeing the potential he is now exhibiting. By restoring Ajax’s classical approach Blind, a De Toekomst graduate, has flourished. The inconsistencies that dogged him, at times shot of confidence, coincidentally eroded. “I’m indebted to Frank de Boer,” Blind said looking back.

His consistent performances throughout last season, many of which stood out, earned him the club’s player of the year award and a first Netherlands call-up. He’s been ever-present at left-back since making his debut against Italy in February 2013. Van Gaal, who still views Blind as his “first choice”, recognises the “number six” role is his true position. Nigel de Jong, who’s been a shining light at AC Milan, is expected to play there for Oranje at the World Cup.

He is now in the nations conscious. Elf Voetbal magazine, who at the backend of 2012 published an op-ed titled “The rehabilitation of Daley Blind”, readers named him – alongside Lucas Piazón of Vitesse – as the best player of the first half of the season. Not many would disagree. He is the pivot of a side chasing a historic fourth successive championship. And few are backing against them.

Now an elder statesman, albeit only 23-years-old, it will be surprising if he doesn’t follow in his father’s footsteps and captain the club he joined as an eight-year-old on a full-time basis. He recently wore the armband, decorated in Amsterdam’s coat of arms, away to ADO Den Haag describing it as “a special moment.”

A role model is Paolo Maldini, remaining a one-club man could prove to be difficult, but there’s no escaping his current iconic status: “Daley Blind is een echte Ajacied” as supporters now enthusiastically chant – hard to imagine only two years ago. ”Everyone knows Ajax is my club,” he said after penning a three-year contract extension in spring 2013. He’s really come full circle.
 
I really hope we get this lad. Good passer and crosser, defends pretty well and seems to have a fantastic mentality. Also very versatile and for £10m we should get him.
 
I'm surprised so many seem so keen on him, I just think he looks very average in general and lacks the pace to be a fullback in the PL.
 
More that we need cover at LB and CB desperately, have no left-footed central defenders and need a DM. Blind could cover all those positions, backing up Carrick and Shaw and playing at LCB if Van Gaal wants to go 3/5 at the back against specific opponents.

LVG seems to trust Blind and supposedly wants a smaller squad. Signing Blind for a reasonable fee would give us a backup for 3 spots, making it easier to trim the squad total.
Exactly! He's no superstar, but he played on a team that finished 3rd place in the World cup, and did not let anyone down during the entire tournament. As you stated, he can back up 3 positions and not let the team down, which superstar do people think we can get that will cover those areas and be happy sitting on the bench?
 
He would be a better version then the OShea guy.
 
Even he isn't worth the hype. Both haven't done anything remotely similar to those two.

Not sure what you're getting at.. Of course they haven't done anything similar to those two who're about a decade older. You look at Lahm now, but at a similar age to Blind was just cementing his position at Bayern after being on loan at Stuttgart till 22. Even after returning to Bayern he had a two way fight with Lizarazu for playing time. It's not wise to dismiss young players. Blind has already been voted Dutch player of the Year, has 20 caps, won the league 4 times and just played an integral part in a team that finished 3rd at the World Cup. Of course this isn't suggest that he'll end up being similar to Lahm but you never know. People who rated Bale, Modric etc were laughed at once too...
 
He's no Lahm obviously, but on the cheap, he could be a sqaud utility player for us at the very worst.

And who knows, nobody rated Vidic and Evra when they first came here. Could be more important for us than we expect if we get him.
 
Frank De Boer moved him into holding midfield at Ajax to be their " Busquets" or "Lahm", and he won player of the year at Ajax being their midfield metronome winning the ball back and passing the ball nicely.
 
Not sure what you're getting at.. Of course they haven't done anything similar to those two who're about a decade older. You look at Lahm now, but at a similar age to Blind was just cementing his position at Bayern after being on loan at Stuttgart till 22. Even after returning to Bayern he had a two way fight with Lizarazu for playing time. It's not wise to dismiss young players. Blind has already been voted Dutch player of the Year, has 20 caps, won the league 4 times and just played an integral part in a team that finished 3rd at the World Cup. Of course this isn't suggest that he'll end up being similar to Lahm but you never know. People who rated Bale, Modric etc were laughed at once too...
Playing in the dutch league is completely different to the premier league, playing for Ajax is also completely different to United. Even being "Premier league proven" doesn't mean you'll succeed here, look at Fellaini. He's only linked with us because of the group stage matches where he was pretty good, but not outstanding, Dutch and cheap. That's it. There really is no comparison to him and Lahm, and he's not young, he's 24.
 
Playing in the dutch league is completely different to the premier league, playing for Ajax is also completely different to United. Even being "Premier league proven" doesn't mean you'll succeed here, look at Fellaini. He's only linked with us because of the group stage matches where he was pretty good, but not outstanding, Dutch and cheap. That's it. There really is no comparison to him and Lahm, and he's not young, he's 24.

Ok mate I get your overall point but who knows how he'll adapt from the Eredivisie to the premier league ? Can we conclusively say he'll be average for United ? And TBF I know the Fellaini comparison was just made as a motif but even then it doesn't hold much water. Blind has really good technique and most importantly a sound footballing brain. Both of which Fellaini lacks. He might be a bit on the slower side and isn't a superstar but it's hard to find any major holes in his game. And it's not like as if people are suggesting him to be 1st choice anything. He's a versatile player that can fill in multiple positions as a sub or role player like Kevin Großkreutz (another totally under-appreciated player who doesn't pop out on highlight reels) for Dortmund who again isn't the fastest but has heart, can be deployed in defence and midfield and plays with tactical discipline.

It's hard to find such players in an era of individualists. Blind doesn't make a lot of fuss and is familiar with Van Gaal's tactics. What more can one ask of a squad player ? I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more versatile player on a budget. Honestly a lot of players get under-rated because folks haven't really seen them play over an extended period (eg. Blind was excellent against Barcelona in the Champion's League at the highest stage and has been good in general in the Champion's League and the World Cup but there are still apprehensions of him. And it's not like Ajax is a small club, they're the most decorated Dutch team with 4 European Cups and have fairly significant expectations) so there's definitely pressure involved. Yes not as much as United or Real and Bayern but definitely much more than Everton or Villa or Wigan from where we bought some players.

Also not to dig up old posts (sorry I won't link the threads/ users - they might get pissed) but it just provides an example to illustrate the point that popular opinions aren't always correct when one hasn't watched foreign league players over an extended period. This was Schweinsteiger at age 24/ 25 (before coincidentally Van Gaal gt hold of him) :

the german milner

Decent enough player. No better than what we have. I'd take him if it was him or nothing but i'm hoping we're going after someone with a bit more quality.

Decent player tbh.

Schweinsteiger, There is no point in picking up a benchwarmer at Bayern.
Apart from surfacing in the group stages of international tournaments once in two years he's Blackburn's quality should follow his best mate Santa Cruz


Fair to say in hindsight most of us would give the metaphorical left nut to have signed Schweinsteiger for United. Maybe Blind will be good, maybe he won't. But if we keep rejecting every payer than isn't perceived as "world class"/ "United quality" etc. there aren't many options left, especially for backup players. And some of them will look poor decisions in the future with the added benefit of hindsight when those players sign for other clubs and perform at a high standard. Also I think 24 is still fairly young. eg. Welbeck is still a young-ish striker and Blind is of a similar age.
 
He is technically pretty good and always seems to get off a tight spot.

Problem is he is meh athleticall while defending particularly. Would be a solid signing as backup who can grow into a midfield role maybe when needed along with backup LB.
 
Ok mate I get your overall point but who knows how he'll adapt from the Eredivisie to the premier league ? Can we conclusively say he'll be average for United ? And TBF I know the Fellaini comparison was just made as a motif but even then it doesn't hold much water. Blind has really good technique and most importantly a sound footballing brain. Both of which Fellaini lacks. He might be a bit on the slower side and isn't a superstar but it's hard to find any major holes in his game. And it's not like as if people are suggesting him to be 1st choice anything. He's a versatile player that can fill in multiple positions as a sub or role player like Kevin Großkreutz (another totally under-appreciated player who doesn't pop out on highlight reels) for Dortmund who again isn't the fastest but has heart, can be deployed in defence and midfield and plays with tactical discipline.

It's hard to find such players in an era of individualists. Blind doesn't make a lot of fuss and is familiar with Van Gaal's tactics. What more can one ask of a squad player ? I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a more versatile player on a budget. Honestly a lot of players get under-rated because folks haven't really seen them play over an extended period (eg. Blind was excellent against Barcelona in the Champion's League at the highest stage and has been good in general in the Champion's League and the World Cup but there are still apprehensions of him. And it's not like Ajax is a small club, they're the most decorated Dutch team with 4 European Cups and have fairly significant expectations) so there's definitely pressure involved. Yes not as much as United or Real and Bayern but definitely much more than Everton or Villa or Wigan from where we bought some players.

Also not to dig up old posts (sorry I won't link the threads/ users - they might get pissed) but it just provides an example to illustrate the point that popular opinions aren't always correct when one hasn't watched foreign league players over an extended period. This was Schweinsteiger at age 24/ 25 (before coincidentally Van Gaal gt hold of him) :










Fair to say in hindsight most of us would give the metaphorical left nut to have signed Schweinsteiger for United. Maybe Blind will be good, maybe he won't. But if we keep rejecting every payer than isn't perceived as "world class"/ "United quality" etc. there aren't many options left, especially for backup players. And some of them will look poor decisions in the future with the added benefit of hindsight when those players sign for other clubs and perform at a high standard. Also I think 24 is still fairly young. eg. Welbeck is still a young-ish striker and Blind is of a similar age.
I think the whole premier league proven thing is over blown a bit. It's just a lazy accusation to make when players from outside the premier league come to England and don't perform. Was Hazard EPL proven when Chelsea signed him? No, but he's been a success, so too Mata. Suarez came from the eredivisie, and while he was behaving himself, he was one of the best in the league. €10m for this guy wouldn't be he worst business. Granted there are others who've come to the EPL from outside England and not performed, but being " premier league proven" doesn't guarantee success.
 
Anyone know if his injury is bad? Stretched off last night.

He came back to the bench, and was walking when receiving his medal. Said didn't look any major visible damage. Probably something minor or just exhaustion/cramps.
 
He came back to the bench, and was walking when receiving his medal. Said didn't look any major visible damage. Probably something minor or just exhaustion/cramps.
Good to hear cheers.

I think he'd be a solid signing. He could provide cover st LB, CM and CB.

Would anyone really object if the net result in our squad was selling Evra, Buttner, Ando and Fellaini and gaining Blind?
 
He'd be perfect as cover for Shaw, and as a utility midfielder.

to my uneducated eye, Blind looks good enough to be first choice, never mind as back-up for Shaw. Good kind of buy (if it happens). Quality back-up that should ensure Shaw needs to perform in every game.
 
He is technically pretty good and always seems to get off a tight spot.

Problem is he is meh athleticall while defending particularly. Would be a solid signing as backup who can grow into a midfield role maybe when needed along with backup LB.

I agree I thought he was poor to average before but he really impressed me this tournament and looks a Gareth Barry type which would not be a bad thing for us. Would fill a few gaps in our squad left back wing back midfield centre half.
 
I think the whole premier league proven thing is over blown a bit. It's just a lazy accusation to make when players from outside the premier league come to England and don't perform. Was Hazard EPL proven when Chelsea signed him? No, but he's been a success, so too Mata. Suarez came from the eredivisie, and while he was behaving himself, he was one of the best in the league. €10m for this guy wouldn't be he worst business. Granted there are others who've come to the EPL from outside England and not performed, but being " premier league proven" doesn't guarantee success.

Aye. That's a good point.

Also I don't get the "not fast enough/ not strong enough" part mentioned time and again :confused: Why is it such a compulsion ?

Some of the best players I've seen in my lifetime plying their trade in the league - Scholes, Silva, Carrick, Mata, Bergkamp etc (obviously Blind is not that good at present and might never be) weren't exactly rapid or built like Benteke. Yet they could out-think and out-play faster, stronger, more athletic donkeys that didn't have technique or the tactical intelligence. Even Louis agrees - "Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football." If Blind could get in the right positions, use his instincts and follow Van Gaal's orders I don't see why his perceived lack of pace would be a major issue.
 
Aye. That's a good point.

Also I don't get the "not fast enough/ not strong enough" part mentioned time and again :confused: Why is it such a compulsion ?

Some of the best players I've seen in my lifetime plying their trade in the league - Scholes, Silva, Carrick, Mata, Bergkamp etc (obviously Blind is not that good at present and might never be) weren't exactly rapid. Yet they could out-think and out-play faster, stronger, more athletic donkeys that didn't have technique or the tactical intelligence. Even Louis agrees - "Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football." If Blind could get in the right positions, use his instincts and follow Van Gaal's orders I don't see why his perceived lack of pace would be a major issue.
It's probably a British thing that players really need to be athletic and run themselves into the ground to have had a good game. Berbatov at Tottenham was great and far from athletic.
 
Aye. That's a good point.

Also I don't get the "not fast enough/ not strong enough" part mentioned time and again :confused: Why is it such a compulsion ?

Some of the best players I've seen in my lifetime plying their trade in the league - Scholes, Silva, Carrick, Mata, Bergkamp etc (obviously Blind is not that good at present and might never be) weren't exactly rapid or built like Benteke. Yet they could out-think and out-play faster, stronger, more athletic donkeys that didn't have technique or the tactical intelligence. Even Louis agrees - "Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football." If Blind could get in the right positions, use his instincts and follow Van Gaal's orders I don't see why his perceived lack of pace would be a major issue.

I think you have to have great technique to succeed without pace. I do not think Blind has great technique. Also to play FB pace is probably the most important thing these days.
 
If Evra is really leaving. I will put my money for this guy as a backup. He's not really that good. But should be enough as a backup player. He can play in so many different position which is very nice to have in a squad.
 
If Evra is really leaving. I will put my money for this guy as a backup. He's not really that good. But should be enough as a backup player. He can play in so many different position which is very nice to have in a squad.

I wa of the same opinion before the World Cup but the lad has really impressed me.
 
I think you have to have great technique to succeed without pace. I do not think Blind has great technique. Also to play FB pace is probably the most important thing these days.

Umm you're probably right with that assessment mate. Maybe I'm misguided but is it really though ? Azpelecueta, Zabaleta, Ivanovic don't exactly strike me as particularly fast fullbacks. Yet they've consistently been among the best this past season.
 
If he signed for United where would he be best suited left back or defensive midfield?
 
He'd certainly solve the issue of lacking backup and presumably would be happy enough in that role under LvG.
Squads need an O'Shea
 
He'd certainly solve the issue of lacking backup and presumably would be happy enough in that role under LvG.
Squads need an O'Shea

That is one of the reasons why I am against this signing. He seems like a type of player we should not need to buy. We should be able to produce a utility player like this from our academy.
 
That is one of the reasons why I am against this signing. He seems like a type of player we should not need to buy. We should be able to produce a utility player like this from our academy.
That makes no sense. If there's a similar player in the academy, great. If there isn't, buy one.
 
That makes no sense. If there's a similar player in the academy, great. If there isn't, buy one.

Yeah it is a pretty silly reason. But, overall I am against him as a signing because I do not think he would improve our squad in any way. He would be depth at best.
 
That is one of the reasons why I am against this signing. He seems like a type of player we should not need to buy. We should be able to produce a utility player like this from our academy.

In the U21s we have Reece James in the same mould who can play well in both LB and CM roles.Depends on how good LVG thinks Blind can be for us.
 
We badly need depth in all the positions he covers.

What is the point of depth if the depth is not quality? In terms of numbers we have a lot of depth in midfield. In terms of quality we are lacking. I do not think he would bring us much quality in midfield or at LB.
 
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