Daley Blind - Deal Confirmed

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Juan't Mata said:
If we got both Vermaelen and Blind, it would make the Shaw signing far less of a necessity as it has appeared so far this Summer. You'd have Evra, Blind and Vermaelen all capable of filling in the position. The £30m saved on Shaw could be used to sign a top class midfielder, thus strengthening the area we are definitely weakest in.
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Vermaelen will not enter Van Gaal's thinking at left back - can he play there? Yes. Will he under Van Gaal? I wouldnt think so. Blind may operate there from time to time but i believe he sees him as an option in midfield.

Vermaelen offers the option of a 3rd centre back similar to Martins Indi for the Dutch

PS. We will proceed with Shaw. We are too far down the line on that
 
Juan't Mata said:
If we got both Vermaelen and Blind, it would make the Shaw signing far less of a necessity as it has appeared so far this Summer. You'd have Evra, Blind and Vermaelen all capable of filling in the position. The £30m saved on Shaw could be used to sign a top class midfielder, thus strengthening the area we are definitely weakest in.
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I just struggle to see which midfielder who will command that sort of fee will join us!
My thoughts on Shaw is the money is an investment we could get 12 years out of him as first choice.
To be honest I'm hoping there is enough for Shaw at 30m and two top class midfielders...but who?
 
LonelyFire said:
Vermaelen will not enter Van Gaal's thinking at left back - can he play there? Yes. Will he under Van Gaal? I wouldnt think so. Blind may operate there from time to time but i believe he sees him as an option in midfield.

Vermaelen offers the option of a 3rd centre back similar to Martins Indi for the Dutch

PS. We will proceed with Shaw. We are too far down the line on that
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At the very least he's a preftectly viable option as a third choice LB, or one who can play there if you're thinking of having the ability to segue between 433 and 352 midgame.

I think LVG is the kind of guy who likes to give himself these options - pretty sensible approach IMO.
 
Juan't Mata said:
At the very least he's a preftectly viable option as a third choice LB, or one who can play there if you're thinking of having the ability to segue between 433 and 352 midgame.

I think LVG is the kind of guy who likes to give himself these options - pretty sensible approach IMO.
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Oh, i definitely agree hes capable there - i just dont think thats necessarily in his mind. i think its flexbility to move to a 3-5-2 that appeals.
 
Our record with Dutch players is good. Except for Cruyff who was here for ages and played hardly any games.
Obviously Buttner is pretty rubbish but all the others have done very well.
 
Stobzilla said:
It's almost as if these "average" players are coached and managed properly ...
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Considering that we will soon be coached and managed properly then maybe its time we opt for these sort of 'average' players instead of 30m signings and White Peles.
 
Chicharito_ said:
They have 2 world class players and a world class manager, we don't.

RVP, Robben and Van Gaal.
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On the other hand England has a white Pele upfront and 30m rated players warming the bench.
 
devilish said:
Considering that we will soon be coached and managed properly then maybe its time we opt for these sort of 'average' players instead of 30m signings and White Peles.
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I agree but there's still no hope for Young or Cleverley in my eyes.
 
I see him as a useful utility player in the long term but in the short term he would be a good stop gap until Strootman recovers fully from injury. Blind + a top CM would do me fine until January.
 
#CR7 said:
I see him as a useful utility player in the long term but in the short term he would be a good stop gap until Strootman recovers fully from injury. Blind + a top CM would do me fine until January.
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Thats the way im looking at it.
 
devilish said:
Considering that we will soon be coached and managed properly then maybe its time we opt for these sort of 'average' players instead of 30m signings and White Peles.
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:lol:

You've been moaning for years about the club not spending money and now you say this.
 
bucky said:
I think he's a more aggressive Carrick or how Carrick used to be. His passing and reading of the game are his biggest strengths.
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So would you say he is a #6; the holding midfielder who recycles possession and makes vital interceptions through positioning to regain the ball, or a box-to-box? As someone mentioned above, I wouldn't mind him if the fee was real low and it was a stop-gap until Strootman in January.
 
DWelbz19 said:
So would you say he is a #6; the holding midfielder who recycles possession and makes vital interceptions through positioning to regain the ball, or a box-to-box? As someone mentioned above, I wouldn't mind him if the fee was real low and it was a stop-gap until Strootman in January.
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The former suits him more, I think. He's mostly played the holding position in Ajax' midfield 3 last season.
 
This kid can pass the ball, I haven't seen Shaw use the ball as effectively. I think Blind could be just as good at a third of the price. Take him and Indi and Depay along with TV and a centre mid and would be a good transfer window imo
 
#CR7 said:
I see him as a useful utility player in the long term but in the short term he would be a good stop gap until Strootman recovers fully from injury. Blind + a top CM would do me fine until January.
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This is what I was thinking. Get rid of Buttner and Anderson and the wages saved there should cover Blind's transfer fee and wages too. He can fight for the holding role with Carrick and become the backup LB when Evra leaves.
 
Ramshock said:
This kid can pass the ball, I haven't seen Shaw use the ball as effectively. I think Blind could be just as good at a third of the price. Take him and Indi and Depay along with TV and a centre mid and would be a good transfer window imo
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The chances of all them being good enough for us is small. You don't fill your team with Eredivisie players, some of whom don't start for the national team, and expect to be any good.
 
Ramshock said:
This kid can pass the ball, I haven't seen Shaw use the ball as effectively. I think Blind could be just as good at a third of the price. Take him and Indi and Depay along with TV and a centre mid and would be a good transfer window imo
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Shaw is far more developed physically, though. He's a bit of a unit for an 19 year old, and is rapid. Blind relies more on his reading of play which is great, but you still need some pace against some of the top tier wingers in the league. Blind would be more of a DM and an occasional, utility LB if we were to sign him, I'd imagine.
EDIT: Why both Indi and Vermaelen? Not only are neither an upgrade on what we currently have, stockpiling on centre-backs just stagnates development. We've seen that far too often in the past three to four years.
 
V Gaal has a system and he will buy players to accommodate that system. This isnt madrid, wherein they buy who they want and expect a manager to make a team out of them.

The question is whether shaw is good for the system, not whether the system is good for shaw.
 
If he's valued at £6million, then I'd absolutely love to have him. Clearly talented, Van Gaal likes, can play a few positions, good vision/passing. Decent age of 24.

Sign him up Woody.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Shaw is far more developed physically, though. He's a bit of a unit for an 19 year old, and is rapid. Blind relies more on his reading of play which is great, but you still need some pace against some of the top tier wingers in the league. Blind would be more of a DM and an occasional, utility LB if we were to sign him, I'd imagine.
EDIT: Why both Indi and Vermaelen? Not only are neither an upgrade on what we currently have, stockpiling on centre-backs just stagnates development. We've seen that far too often in the past three to four years.
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I disagree on Indi. I think he is going to be a beast. An upgrade on three oft injured CB's he could very well be
 
pocco said:
The chances of all them being good enough for us is small. You don't fill your team with Eredivisie players, some of whom don't start for the national team, and expect to be any good.
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Agree. Though Blind was excellent and looks like a very intelligent player and I wouldn't mind him at all. Would improve our midfield and be a great squad player else where. Indi didn't look anything special though and generally probably isn't too different to the young defenders we already have.
 
I'd sign him for midfield and cover for Shaw, so we can let Büttner go and have another option in midfield. I don't see this possible deal hamper the Shaw transfer
 
red_7 said:
I'd sign him for midfield and cover for Shaw, so we can let Büttner go and have another option in midfield. I don't see this possible deal hamper the Shaw transfer
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We have Evra for another year as cover for Shaw if signed. That leaves Buttner surplus to requirements.
 
LonelyFire said:
Vermaelen will not enter Van Gaal's thinking at left back - can he play there? Yes. Will he under Van Gaal? I wouldnt think so. Blind may operate there from time to time but i believe he sees him as an option in midfield.

Vermaelen offers the option of a 3rd centre back similar to Martins Indi for the Dutch

PS. We will proceed with Shaw. We are too far down the line on that
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I think Carrick is ideally suited in the role of a 3rd centre back if and when v Gaal wants to play with 3 central defenders.
 
Sultan said:
We have Evra for another year as cover for Shaw if signed. That leaves Buttner surplus to requirements.
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right, focus should be midfield anyway if we sign him. He performed significantly better there after he was moved there from LB.
 
Sultan said:
I think Carrick is ideally suited in the role of a 3rd centre back if and when v Gaal wants to play with 3 central defenders.
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From a style perspective, i agree. However, everything ive read about LVG is how much he prioritises balance - he would not line up with 3 right footed centre backs. He wants equal balance on both sides. But, yeah i agree he could play that role quite well.
 
that's why he wants Vermaelen, a left footed defender ;-)

But with our midfield options we have today, it doesn't make sense to move Carrick back. He deserves his share of the critics but is still our most capable midfielder which is alarming (at least to some fans who see that)
 
LonelyFire said:
From a style perspective, i agree. However, everything ive read about LVG is how much he prioritises balance - he would not line up with 3 right footed centre backs.
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Good point. I forgot Vermaelen was left footed.
 
I like him but I have only seen him play twice. Will definitely be an upgrade on Buttner and provide cover for the midfield positions as well. If Southampton refuse to budge on Shaw, then I wouldn't mind going with Evra and Blind as our LB options for next season.
 
Don't think it can be a either/or situation with Blind and Shaw. Blind can play at LB, but he is not a LB. What he'll come as is a versatile enough squad player, capable of playing a couple of different positions. We'll still need to a buya first choice LB.

PS: Not based on having seen him enough. Mostly gathered from what I have read on the player and his appearance in the Spain game.
 
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