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Hmm - I loved him in The Stand and Eyes of the Dragon. He was nicely written in the early DT books (up to book 4), but from 5 onwards, I thought he was shocking. Especially
Mordred bit and how he was killed off so easily. And the fact that he flitted in and out of the story without really doing anything significant (in the latter books). Overall, I was let down. The DT series was amazing from books 1-4, but 5-7 I noticed a HUGE drop in quality.
Most people do prefer him in the stand. For some reason I've always preferred him in the DT

I loved the whole series and again I know a lot felt it went a bit shit. I was late getting into it and read books 1-7 in one go.

Anyways that's me out of this thread
 
That's a myth. Homeless people commit about as much crime as homed people.
That's just not true. My phone is not letting me cut and paste but google 'crime among homeless' and read the guardian article that comes up. Says 28pc have committed imprisonable offences and a lot of women have had unwanted sex:nervous:
 
Most people do prefer him in the stand. For some reason I've always preferred him in the DT

I loved the whole series and again I know a lot felt it went a bit shit. I was late getting into it and read books 1-7 in one go.

Anyways that's me out of this thread
Yea I also read it in one go. Were you happy from Wolves of the Calla onwards? I thought it went downhill from that book on. And the Crimson King was such an anticlimax. I was bitterly disappointed by that.

Oh - and make sure you read 'Wind in the Keyhole'. It is excellent. It's a stand alone story between Wizard and Glass and Wolves of the Calla.
 
I refuse to read the Mail so I found the Washington Post's take on it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...holidays-are-being-ruined-by-syrian-refugees/

The Daily Mail is one of Britain's most popular newspapers, and it pushes a populist right wing agenda designed to appeal to the British middle class. The paper is known not only for taking a hostile view of immigration, but also gleefully trolling its critics. Soon after the article about Kos came out, the Daily Mail reported on migrants in Paris who were reported to have claimed the city was too noisy and polluted.

Even so, perhaps the real reason that the Daily Mail article has riled up so many is because many suspect it speaks for the silent majority in Britain: The British government was one of the first to disavow saving migrants in the Mediterranean, warning that search-and-rescue missions would create a "pull factor" for migrants, even if it meant many could die.

:eek: :(
I'll never understand these people.
 
Don't be so dramatic. Randall's right. I'm sure he has compassion for their plight but can still be pissed off at having them affect the quality of his holiday. Just as I'd be fecked off if I went somewhere and saw Randall at the bar.

:lol:
 
Grammar jibes yay

I never said I was disgusted by their existence, I would be disgusted if I found myself forking out for a holiday only to have it ruined. It would be an awful shame

To be fair, yeah, I shouldn't really have reduced it to grammar jibes. However, I realise I was attempting to elicit some kind of empathetic thinking from someone who can't figure out how full stops work, so maybe I was expecting too much. I'm glad to see most posters on here share my feelings and values.
 
To be fair, yeah, I shouldn't really have reduced it to grammar jibes. However, I realise I was attempting to elicit some kind of empathetic thinking from someone who can't figure out how full stops work, so maybe I was expecting too much. I'm glad to see most posters on here share my feelings and values.


Ugh

Well I'm delighted to see your excellent use of grammar has gotten you so far in life that you cannot even afford a holiday each year.

And I can ;)
 
Fecking ISIS. Ruined Randall's vacation too.

On as serious note, there is absolutely nothing wrong with you choosing another destination for your next vacation, Randall. However, if somebody is going to complain then I think it should be the Greeks, who might lose some money because of this.

As for the unfortunate tourists who went there, it's just one vacation. Pick another destination next time. I also have had my vacation "ruined" for other reasons a time or two in the past.
 
Ugh

Well I'm delighted to see your excellent use of grammar has gotten you so far in life that you cannot even afford a holiday each year.

And I can ;)

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I feel for anyone who works hard to go on holiday and due to political circumstances finds their holiday destination completely different than what they were expecting. That's where my sympathy ends though. I mean, some perspective is needed.
 
If you removed money (I mean the plastic kind too since it's privately made like), I wonder would Randalls opinion be different. I suspect it creates a certain type of reaction. It's one thing wasting a holiday but it's another wasting one you paid for. And of course people go on holiday to get away from their fecking job - cause they gotta earn to survive. Vicious circle much?

It's even worse when clearly if the homeless had money they wouldn't be homeless or if there was no such thing as 'money' - they wouldn't be homeless. In all probability. City would go back to being a small club and players would play for the clubs they love to play for ..which means Ronaldo would come back to United. Let's scrap money (the whole lot). See if the world becomes a better place :) I'm sure you'd enjoy your break more. And feck the daily mail.
 
Ugh

Well I'm delighted to see your excellent use of grammar has gotten you so far in life that you cannot even afford a holiday each year.

And I can ;)

It'd be nice to be able to afford it, but I realise I am in a pretty good situation in life compared to the majority of the 7bn other people in the world. I'd not get all pissy about the fact there are people less well off, as you have done about both fleeing refugees and myself. You must be a great guy, well done.
 
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It'd be nice to be able to afford it, but I realise I am in a pretty good situation in life compared to the majority of the 7bn other people in the world. I'd not get all pissy about the fact there are people less well off, as you have done about both fleeing refugees and myself. You must be a great guy, well done.

A+

Good grammar
 
As it is, my ability to use full stops and commas is one of the things which has given me a little bit of job security. The one guaranteed form of income I have is from a job where I have to write to a good standard. The other three are zero hour contracts. That means if I take a holiday, it basically costs me twice as much, as I am not able to earn money during the time that I am away. My situation is not unusual, there are many people doing exactly the same. I am glad you find mine and their financial situation so amusing, just as you find the presence of the real lives of third world refugees interfering with more fortunate people's holidays so abhorrent.
 
Sounds shite. Anyways sorry I hurt your feelings

I will toast your health when I'm sunning it up in Portugal in July
 
And I'll spend my day at work hoping you don't get swept out into the middle of the Atlantic having fallen asleep on the beach.
 
As it is, my ability to use full stops and commas is one of the things which has given me a little bit of job security. The one guaranteed form of income I have is from a job where I have to write to a good standard. The other three are zero hour contracts. That means if I take a holiday, it basically costs me twice as much, as I am not able to earn money during the time that I am away. My situation is not unusual, there are many people doing exactly the same. I am glad you find mine and their financial situation so amusing, just as you find the presence of the real lives of third world refugees interfering with more fortunate people's holidays so abhorrent.
What's your main job, out of interest? The one requiring writing skills.
 
I'm sure many folk would agree with Randall's take. People who are wealthy enough to take nice holidays generally would prefer to be as oblivious as possible to the poverty nearby. Holidays, for a lot, are to a large degree about a brief escape from the reality of their lives and seeing other folk struggling for their life is not what they have in mind when they book.

That said, anyone who has the gall to complain publicly about the fact their affluent existence was inhibited by people struggling to stay alive is likely severely lacking in both empathy and societal understanding.
 
I'm sure many folk would agree with Randall's take. People who are wealthy enough to take nice holidays generally would prefer to be as oblivious as possible to the poverty nearby. Holidays, for a lot, are to a large degree about a brief escape from the reality of their lives and seeing other folk struggling for their life is not what they have in mind when they book.

That said, anyone who has the gall to complain publicly about the fact their affluent existence was inhibited by people struggling to stay alive is likely severely lacking in both empathy and societal understanding.
No. Not really.
 
I'm sure many folk would agree with Randall's take. People who are wealthy enough to take nice holidays generally would prefer to be as oblivious as possible to the poverty nearby. Holidays, for a lot, are to a large degree about a brief escape from the reality of their lives and seeing other folk struggling for their life is not what they have in mind when they book.

That said, anyone who has the gall to complain publicly about the fact their affluent existence was inhibited by people struggling to stay alive is likely severely lacking in both empathy and societal understanding.

A lot of people may feel one way but shouldnt dare speak about it publicaly. Read anything about fascism lately?
 
I'm sure many folk would agree with Randall's take. People who are wealthy enough to take nice holidays generally would prefer to be as oblivious as possible to the poverty nearby. Holidays, for a lot, are to a large degree about a brief escape from the reality of their lives and seeing other folk struggling for their life is not what they have in mind when they book.

That said, anyone who has the gall to complain publicly about the fact their affluent existence was inhibited by people struggling to stay alive is likely severely lacking in both empathy and societal understanding.
:lol:The people complaining in the article were on cheap package holidays in Kos, hardly a safari or round the world cruise.
 
I think DOTA is stuck in the 80's, pretty much anyone with a full time job can afford a holiday these days
 
:lol:The people complaining in the article were on cheap package holidays in Kos, hardly a safari or round the world cruise.
No - but next to penniless migrants it's another world.

I think DOTA is stuck in the 80's, pretty much anyone with a full time job can afford a holiday these days
I wasn't alive in the eighties :P
 
No - but next to penniless migrants it's another world.
Of course, but the notion that people have to be 'wealthy' to go on holiday is just wrong. You can holiday on a shoe-string.
 
Of course, but the notion that people have to be 'wealthy' to go on holiday is just wrong. You can holiday on a shoe-string.

You can do it for very cheap if you're in a position to put down money months in advance and take time off work. Unfortunately some aren't in that position, for a variety of reasons out of their control. In any case the DM article is horrible.
 
You can do it for very cheap if you're in a position to put down money months in advance and take time off work. Unfortunately some aren't in that position, for a variety of reasons out of their control. In any case the DM article is horrible.
I'm not defending the article, just saying package holidays to Kos are not the sole preserve of the super-wealthy.
 
I'm not defending the article, just saying package holidays to Kos are not the sole preserve of the super-wealthy.
You do not have to be what most people would refer to as 'affluent' by British standards and I'll give you that my post does read a bit like that.

They're far too well off compared to those whose presence they're moaning about to not look like prats though.
 
That's the sort of thing I expect to see in the Guardian. 'The patriarchy caused my knicker elastic to perish in a wine bar'.