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sullydnl said:
Liked the sound of this guy until I read those Nani comparisons. No more brainless players please.
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He's prob better in the one on one duel than Nani, unfortunately just skinning the full back isn't enough if you don't have the intelligence to make it count. The player he'd remind me of is Gervinho when he played wide for Arsenal.
 
I'm worried we still need at least another 3 signings but I'm not sure paying £35m for another winger is wise.

It's good to have a versatile squad so we can have some flexibility when it comes to formation changes but I'm not sure where Cuadrado comes into the team, would just be another obstacle for Januzaj to overcome.
 
Manucho the boss said:
He's prob better in the one on one duel than Nani, unfortunately just skinning the full back isn't enough if you don't have the intelligence to make it count. The player he'd remind me of is Gervinho when he played wide for Arsenal.
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Yeah, he is nowhere near that bad.
 


Manchester United ponder, explore, make some contacts, but they haven’t made a concrete move yet. They could do that in any minute.
 
Hope this goes through. Valencia is absolutely redundant as a footballer these days.
 
Get Valencia on a donkey to Florence. Cuadrado will be a breath of fresh air compared to him. I'm all for this signing because Rafael is a permacrock, Cuadrado will offer us a lot more on the right.
 
http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/j95fyknldki5vnn26m26kg/Show

Interesting article on him for those interested. Doesn't seem like a one season wonder and was one of Serie A's best players for the past 2 seasons while having the most assists in the world cup. People are jumping to conclusions based on the Brazil game in the WC.

If I am not wrong he has the most dribbles in the Serie A during each of the past 3 seasons. We do need someone direct and pacy who can make defenders commit/back away to create more space for other forwards. The only direct player we have whose dribbling skills defenders are wary of is Januzaj and he can be a bit inconsistent. Nani, Valencia and Young hardly inspire fear in defenders anymore and most of them are off form. We do need that player who is direct and has that fear factor who can stretch and tear apart stubborn defences. Although we have intelligent players like Mata, Rooney and RVP who are excellent technically and creatively, they could struggle to carve open chances against the most organised/resilient defences. A bit of directness and pace wouldn't go amiss. Ideally I would have preferred Di Maria but Cuadrado seems a good fit at RWB too.
 
Last year United looked slow.

I think the club is looking to inject some pace and energy into the squad.

Herrera does that for our midfield. Shaw brings pace to the defense.

Players that have lost a yard like Vidic, Rio and Evra have been allowed to leave.

Cuadrado would inject pace and energy to either a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation, and I expect United to play both.
 
He's an exciting flair player that likes to take people on, has played as a wingback and a winger and is just coming into his peak years, sounds good to me.
 
Ferguson said:
Last year United looked slow.

I think the club is looking to inject some pace and energy into the squad.

Herrera does that for our midfield. Shaw brings pace to the defense.

Players that have lost a yard like Vidic, Rio and Evra have been allowed to leave.

Cuadrado would inject pace and energy to either a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation, and I expect United to play both.
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Also with Jones and Smalling looking to play more assertive roles, they'll add an injection of physicality and pace to the defence also.
 
Ferguson said:
Cuadrado would inject pace and energy to either a 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 formation, and I expect United to play both.
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If that's true we need both a CB and a Winger(or a Wing Back). If we buy Vidal can't see us going for both. IF we buy Vidal it can take us beyond the 100m mark. And with the price quoted for Cuadrado and Di Maria it will be tough to get a CB as well.

If we get a winger or a wide player I can see us going for 4-3-3 and we will be ok with the CB department at least for this year.
 
i hope this doesn't go through. i think it will be a waste of money like how Young was still LVG came along
 
This signing makes a lot of sense. He is very similar to Valencia but an upgrade, that's how I see it. In other words, perfect to be utilised as either a RWB or winger. Very versatile player and had a very good season in Italy I believe. Would certainly be a good signing.
 
Not convinced Cuadrado won't prove to be an expensive mistake.

He's 26, only played one full season as a starter in Serie A, at a pretty mediocre club, made his international debut at age 24 (Colombia can't be overflowing with talent so why so late), and had one decent ish game in the world cup.

Fiorentina must be laughing - 36m? Kinell.
 
1 goal and 1 assist against the better teams in Serie A last season.

2 Assists against Greece, 1 against Japan, 1 against Ivory Coast, 1 against Uruguay in the WC.
 
Adzzz said:
Huh.
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Young wasn't good and wasn't worth th emoney we paid for him. we all wanted him sold till Van Gaal came along, there seems to be hope for him.

I think that Cuadrado will be a similar mistake at the prices being quoted.
 
could be an option at right wing back? - probably better defensivley than valencia and better attaching than rafael - but 36m better? Im not convinced that we need a wing back that badly and certainly not more than we need a central midfielder (and probably another centre back if we go with a back three)
 
Dans said:
Not convinced Cuadrado won't prove to be an expensive mistake.

He's 26, only played one full season as a starter in Serie A, at a pretty mediocre club, made his international debut at age 24 (Colombia can't be overflowing with talent so why so late), and had one decent ish game in the world cup.

Fiorentina must be laughing - 36m? Kinell.
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He's played 32, 36 and 33 league games in Serie A in the last 3 seasons.
 
Looks like this one is happening. Feel pretty numb about this one. I'm glad we're bringing someone in but not sure he's as good as his price tag suggests. He'll improve our options no question but my feelings on this transfer are neither here nor there. At least United are finally doing business properly though so that's always a good thing.
 
sun_tzu said:
could be an option at right wing back? - probably better defensivley than valencia and better attaching than rafael - but 36m better? Im not convinced that we need a wing back that badly and certainly not more than we need a central midfielder (and probably another centre back if we go with a back three)
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He's an ideal signing as he can play wingback better than any of our other options in the 3412 and is a far better winger than anyone we have for when we switch to 433.
 
The Neviller said:
He's played 32, 36 and 33 league games in Serie A in the last 3 seasons.
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So he has. 2 seasons at Fiorentina rather than the 1.

I can't put too much stock in his year at Lecce though - they were relegated after all - and Udinese loaned him out. He wasn't good enough at 23 to play for Udinese?
 
sun_tzu said:
could be an option at right wing back? - probably better defensivley than valencia and better attaching than rafael - but 36m better? Im not convinced that we need a wing back that badly and certainly not more than we need a central midfielder (and probably another centre back if we go with a back three)
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I suspect his ability to play wing back is the reason we're interested. He seems versatile and is probably better than we have out wide.
 
Dans said:
Well if it happens I hope you are right. I haven't seen much of him, just saying the stats don't look all that, and he seems a late developer for whom 36m seems a bit much.
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12 goals and 9 assists in 36 games is very good - especially for a player who played a third of those as a wing back. Averages 1.9 key passes per game too, which will have taken all those games at wing back into account.
 
You need to look deeper into the stats. Like I said earlier - he managed 1 and 1 against opposition of any note. It looks like half of his production was against the might of Chievo.
 
Dans said:
You need to look deeper into the stats. Like I said earlier - he managed 1 and 1 against opposition of any note. It looks like half of his production was against the might of Chievo.
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To me looks like overpriced Valencia.
 
Enigma_87 said:
To me looks like overpriced Valencia.
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If Valencia wasn't so one dimensional and was able to outpace defenders like he used to we wouldn't be looking at paying 36m for a clone.
 
I haven't watched him regularly last season but the year before he didn't look a £10m player let alone £35m. I'm not sure he's improved by that much in just a season. He was hardly outstanding at the World Cup. The whole Colombia team were overhyped to the skies despite only beating mediocre opposition. There was more an emphasis on the team with spontaneous brilliance from Rodriguez.
 
Really exciting player.
If we sign him I guarantee he'll become a lot of fans' favourite player in no time. Had a great world cup that went a little unnoticed because Rodriguez received all the acclaim.
Anyone likening him to Valencia/Young obviously hasn't watched him play.
 
Glock17 said:
12 goals and 9 assists in 36 games is very good - especially for a player who played a third of those as a wing back. Averages 1.9 key passes per game too, which will have taken all those games at wing back into account.
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did he play wing back all his games prior to that season or was he mostly a winger - I was under the impression he was mainly a winger and whilst I dont see assist stats this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Guillermo_Cuadrado would indicate that if you strip out last season and look at what preceded it then he has 10 goals in 128 games which is a little different.

I can certainly see how he could fit in and if he can replecate last seasons stats then all the better but 36m sounds like a lot and I wonder what he would have cost pre world cup?
 
You brought up the stats dude, not me.

If we want him for wing back first, and for the wing in a 4-3-3 option secondly, I'm not sure what you'd want from him that he hasn't shown already. He would suit our two preferable systems for the season massively, and brings both natural width and quality with it which we've been lacking. He'd be playing in a much better team which should hopefully help him to up his production.

Compare it to Navas. Navas had 6 assists in 36 games for Sevilla the season before last, but at City managed 7 in exactly half the games as well as adding 4 goals. He added a new dimension to them as they gained natural width and not forced.

At wing back, I just want someone who can work hard, has pace, can tackle well and has quality on the ball to back his pace up. He ticks all the boxes.

I agree, the money is a lot. But if Van Gaal wants a winger who can play on either side for a 4-3-3 and isn't happy with our wingback options, then it's a 'two birds, one stone' situation. It's not a compromise either since I don't think there are better players available in that position bar perhaps Di Maria.
 
Wingbacks are going to be crucial in the 3412 next season. With Shaw and Cuadrado we'd have two powerful, pacy wide men who are clearly better than any of our other options.
 
Dans said:
1 goal and 1 assist against the better teams in Serie A last season.

2 Assists against Greece, 1 against Japan, 1 against Ivory Coast, 1 against Uruguay in the WC.
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We have a Google expert! lets compare these stats to Young & Valencia
 
Juan't Mata said:
Wingbacks are going to be crucial in the 3412 next season. With Shaw and Cuadrado we'd have two powerful, pacy wide men who are clearly better than any of our other options.
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Is Shaw really better than Rafael, though? Can't help but feel it's the other side we should be strenghtening.

I won't complain about us signing a good player but doesn't seem like a pressing signing.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Decent signing but for £30-35m, bit over the odds.
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When do we not pay over the odds for a player? Everyone knows we're minted and the price for United is always higher than the price for everyone else. We need to get over this, as difficult as it may be.
 
hebegebe said:
We have a Google expert! lets compare these stats to Young & Valencia
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Let's not go down that route of improving our team based on better stats than our current useless wingers. feck me.
 
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