Bang on.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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Bang on.
What we sold him for shouldn't come into it, that money's already gone, if we got screwed on the price back then that's no reason to alter the price we're willing to pay now. Real Madrid sure as hell won't be doing. If we can get him for less than or equal to what he's worth then we should do it, it's as simple as that, the £80m is gone.
We are not going to throw away £50M on a single player. I very much doubt that.
I think it is relevant because unlike many, I don't think we were screwed by that £80m price. It was fair money for one of the two best players in the world at the age of 24, no footballer except maybe Messi should cost more.
And as I said, it was when he was 24. His value must have dropped by now because he has aged and doesn't have as much left plus he doesn't have a re-sale value in 4-5 years like he did when he came to Real, hence a fair price now should be considerably lower.
I had no problem with a £24m price tag for van Persie but £90m for Ronaldo would be pretty bad business.
This. Someone said it.
With Ronaldo in the team, teams would be sh!t scared of us, and would cretainly return to the parking the bus mentality we faced for years.
Wouldn't get as many bold teams getting cheeky.
This isn't football manager/FIFA. You don't just trade players. Building a squad is a long-term project that takes a huge amount of planning. We spent so much time and effort bringing in De Gea and developing him. Now that he's starting to become a fixture in the side and the rest of the team are getting used to playing with him it'd make no sense to get rid of him unless either party is in some way dissatisfied with how things are gone. De Gea clearly wants to be here and we'd be retarded to want rid of De Gea. Can't you see how getting rid of a dedicated, eager young player - who's giving his all to try and be a success here - would send out a terrible message to the young player's at the club and those we're looking to bring in? They need to feel like they're an important part of the team and a valued part of the squad to perform to the best of their abilities - just chucking them out the minute we get the chance to buy a superstar would just be saying, "well, we don't actually value you that much in truth, you're expendable if you're not a top class player".
Insane indeed. I honestly have no idea why some people support Manchester United because they don't seem to identify with the club and what it represents at all.
Indeed, what a terrible couple of seasons those were with Ronaldo; everyone wasting their time and getting nothing at the end. Since his departure, we've been way more successful.
What?
Completely missing my point.
I said if he comes back, the lineup will basically be Ronaldo +10 others!
He;s that important.
There is a lot of wishful thinking going on in here. Come on lads/gals, as much as we all would like to see that lad back, it just simply isn't going to happen, we will not spunk a ton of money on one player. The only way we would get Ronaldo back at Man Utd, would be on a free, or if Real decided to sell on the cheep, and none of them are going to happen.
Sign keeper at a young age for big money, something we desperately needed after VDS retired, who everybody raves about as fantastic, could give us a longer tenure than VDS, one of the best in the league, include in swap deal at first opportunity.
Seems legit.
Seems legit.
Also, think about this scenario as well. Let's just say for arguments sake that the reports are true and Ronaldo is going to run his contract down. All the sugar Daddy's will be interested, and there will be bids made of astronomical figures, there is no way United could even compete. So you have Ronaldo one day sat there grooming his eyebrows and thinking, hmmmm, I wonder why United aren't in for me as much as these other clubs? Feck it, I want to feel loved and United aren't showing me enough of it here, so I'll go somewhere else.
You can just see it now tbh. Sky Sports breaking news -Ronaldo in a £100m record move to City.
You can just see it now tbh. Sky Sports breaking news -Ronaldo in a £100m record move to City.
It depends on the situation. Regarding his departure from United everyone knew he wanted to leave United and everyone also knew he only wanted to go to Madrid. In this situation it is impossible to get fair market value for a player, likewise with Sanchez/Fabregas. If Ronaldo was available back then and a bidding war between City/Chelsea/Madrid occurred we'd have gotten well over the £100m reported fee City offered for Kaka, you can be sure of that. So it depends on your definition of screwed, we got the maximum price we could have gotten given the circumstances, if they were different we'd have gotten a lot more.
Now if he were leaving Madrid now and he did not particularly care to which club, we'd have to pay a none-discriminate market value, which would be a similar price to what his market value was back then; easily more than £120m I'd say. If he only wanted to return to united we'd hold a lot more cards, as Madrid did, and could probably get him for a similar fee that we paid for him.
How often was there a bidding war for a player? Usually the bidding war is about the player's salary not about the transfer numbers. Then the player agrees with a club and then both clubs start to figure out how much they have to pay/want to receive to make the transfer happen.
I don't think it happens a lot - basically never when already playing for a top european club - that a player just wants to leave and doesn't care at all where he's going. All that bidding war drama is made up by the media with gossip, imo.
I know some may scoff at this and criticise me for it, but this is Manchester United. As the saying goes, "We don't buy superstars, we make them". Why would we "trade" a fantastic young goalkeeper - who, even from a relatively early time we can tell is on the cusp of greatness here - for someone whom we sold almost four years ago, by which time he'll arguably be on the decline. We got a magnificent return from Ronaldo, both in terms of performances on the field and financial gain off it, but I doubt we'll gain anything by re-signing him this time around.
The only player I can remember United re-signing was Mark Hughes and that deal was done because it made economic sense for United. Hughes was still a class act who we re-signed for a lesser fee than we sold him, and at 25, was still to enter his prime. Ronaldo is obviously still a class act, but I think his prime years are certainly not ahead of him and there's still a doubt as to how economical the prospective deal with be for United.
Unless we get him on a free, which I doubt will happen, or Madrid decide to let him go on the cheap due to the good service he's given them, which again is doubtful, I'm afraid we'll never see Ronaldo in United red again.
The only player I can remember United re-signing was Mark Hughes and that deal was done because it made economic sense for United. Hughes was still a class act who we re-signed for a lesser fee than we sold him, and at 25, was still to enter his prime. Ronaldo is obviously still a class act, but I think his prime years are certainly not ahead of him and there's still a doubt as to how economical the prospective deal with be for United.
Unless we get him on a free, which I doubt will happen, or Madrid decide to let him go on the cheap due to the good service he's given them, which again is doubtful, I'm afraid we'll never see Ronaldo in United red again.
Easily more than £120m for a 28-year old attacking player? No, just no.
And his value definitely dropped over 4 years. He's 4 years older and being reliant on pace and physique, he'll obviously be slightly worse in his mid 30s than he is now. Of course you can say it's Ronaldo and he's going to alter his game so that it doesn't hinder him that much, but you can't be one hundred per cent sure how good he's going to be in 4 or 5 years.
£120m plus at least £10m a year over 4-5 years would equal to around £40m per season. No player is worth that much, even if he manages to bag 40-50 goals a season you'd be paying £1m for each goal he scores. It's fecking silly. And that's assuming he manages to be that kind of player for another 4-5 years which is not really a given, he's played plenty of games since he was very young. I know he takes care of himself but with a player approaching 30 you can NEVER be sure if he's going to be as good as he is or not. And at the end of the day he's still human, one injury and he can be done at this insane level of performance - you don't spend £200m+ on a fecking footballer, no one does that!
£50m tops, just as I said. And feck the £15m a year contract nonsense, either he accepts the same kind of deal the likes of Rooney and van Persie have, or let someone else have him. I like Ronaldo, I think he's one of the best players in the world, but I would honestly be furious if we ended up paying £120m and £15m a year for him.
£120m plus at least £10m a year over 4-5 years would equal to around £40m per season. No player is worth that much, even if he manages to bag 40-50 goals a season you'd be paying £1m for each goal he scores. It's fecking silly. And that's assuming he manages to be that kind of player for another 4-5 years which is not really a given, he's played plenty of games since he was very young. I know he takes care of himself but with a player approaching 30 you can NEVER be sure if he's going to be as good as he is or not. And at the end of the day he's still human, one injury and he can be done at this insane level of performance - you don't spend £200m+ on a fecking footballer, no one does that!
£50m tops, just as I said. And feck the £15m a year contract nonsense, either he accepts the same kind of deal the likes of Rooney and van Persie have, or let someone else have him. I like Ronaldo, I think he's one of the best players in the world, but I would honestly be furious if we ended up paying £120m and £15m a year for him.
Depends how much you win with him in the side Sarni.
Here fecking here.
With him in the side, Real Madrid have won a grand total of two trophies, one major one, and another one. I would prefer to keep De Gea, Nani, Rooney, Welbeck, RVP and Hernandez rather than gamble on someone who thought the grass was greener on the other side. Let him stay there. We have a few young players who are coming through and are finally playing on a regular basis. I'd be well pissed to see all of Sir Alexs' hard work go to waste because of one fecking player. I am a Messi fan, but I would still prefer to have De Gea and the rest rather than spending shedloads of cash on one player. Hopefully the jizzfest will be over soon from the Ronnie fans.
bit of over simplifying there though Zarlak. It's not as simple as that. However the form Hernandez is showing - maybe we do have the right balance right now
It is as simple as that though. De Gea is exactly what we needed, and we got him for a reason. There's no chance he will be shown the door just because Ronaldo might be available.
SAF said he'd spend that kind of money on Ronaldo anyway, that he's the only player he'd spend that kind of money on. I don't see why DDG is even in the equation.
I don't see why so many people are getting flustered over a fecking hypothetical.
Exactly, we don't need Ronaldo, but I feel that Sir Alex is in the driving seat at the moment. He can either say money for Ronaldo or he can tell them to go and do one. Money plus De Gea and another player is just ridiculous and I would prefer to have De Gea as the backbone of the team. Real Madrid always want to do it their way so, if I was Sir Alex, I would clearly say no to giving them De Gea into the deal.
This thread is an embarrassment. You're out of your mind if you think we're getting Ronaldo back.
I don't think anyone actually does. They're all just arguing hypotheticals.
You'd have said the same think about RVP one year ago.
Football is a strange thing, and posts like yours can be made to look very foolish in future. I really don't think it'll happen but I can't 100% rule it out. This is a World where Luis Figo went from Barcelona to Real Madrid, where Michael Owen, Liverpool legend scored a derby wining goal for Manchester United.
Exactly this, how can you rule anything out in football?
Who would have seen Benitez managing Chelsea after his hateful grudge with them from his Liverpool days.
Or Alan Smith, Mr "the one club i'd never play for is Man Utd" turning up here.
Torres for 50m between 2 rivals?
Harry Gobsh!te managing both Portsmouth and Southampton?
Figo is probably the biggest and best example.
There's no point comparing to what we got for him at a younger age with potential resale value, those were very specific circumstances.
If Ronaldo were set on not signing on AND only coming here 40M+Nani would be a fair deal. 60M+Nani would be quite generous from us but I can see SAF doing everything in his power to get it sorted.
If those two conditions are not met then Real can ask for anything in the region of 100M and there would be clubs willing to pay it (not us).
In a nutshell, if Ronaldo wants to come back, he can and he holds all the cards. If he doesn't come it's entirely down to him.
De Gea shouldn't and wouldn't be part of any part-exchange deal. Complete nonsense that is. It wouldn't even make sense for him as Casillas still has 4-5 years ahead as Real's first choice. Mourinho is never going to win that one. Will Real get De Gea off us at his peak once Casillas declines? Absolutely.
If Ronaldo were set on not signing on AND only coming here 40M+Nani would be a fair deal. 60M+Nani would be quite generous from us but I can see SAF doing everything in his power to get it sorted.
If those two conditions are not met then Real can ask for anything in the region of 100M and there would be clubs willing to pay it (not us).
In a nutshell, if Ronaldo wants to come back, he can and he holds all the cards. If he doesn't come it's entirely down to him.
De Gea shouldn't and wouldn't be part of any part-exchange deal. Complete nonsense that is. It wouldn't even make sense for him as Casillas still has 4-5 years ahead as Real's first choice. Mourinho is never going to win that one. Will Real get De Gea off us at his peak once Casillas declines? Absolutely.
Why should he accept the same money as Rooney whilst quite clearly being superior?
Why only 50? Your missing a large part of Ronaldo's money making ability, merchandising. He was the biggest shirt seller when he was here, can you imagine if he came back? It was said that madrid made their money back within a few months on merchandise alone, never mind on the pitch contributions
How is that a relevent statement? I've supported united all my life, I identify with what we represent and our way of doing things, building players up from nothing into superstars, something we have already done with Ronnie. Why shouldnt we reap that benefit if hes available? Besides can you imagine if we turned him down and city got him instead? A large benefit of having him is that other teams wouldnt have him if you catch my drift. Also as another poster pointed out it would certainly make teams think twice about attacking us.
I don't think anyone in thier right mind would argue against getting Ronaldo back, it's the cold hearted swap with our young promising keeper that goes against our values.
DDG deal is 100% not on the table, Casillas is only 31 he easily has another 10 years left in him.
You are not getting it. Ronaldo is miffed he hasn't been offered the improved terms his performances deserved and doesn't feel there's recognition from Perez os his role at the club. So obviously he would come here and accept equal billing at Rooney's lower wages just to make a point.
Simples.
Or hope to push what up the fee that RM are offering by flirting with the media, and after it will come out he was going to sign all along... watch.
While I agree, I'm not sure Casillas has 10 years left in him. He is not a big keeper and is more reliant on attributes which are affected by age. Still 4-5 years in the tank but after that he may not be Real standard any more.
I wasn't talking about you specifically because you might just be one of those ones that goes a bit loopy when you imagine Ronaldo coming "back home" but that one example of happily getting rid of De Gea just to bring in another superstar is part of a general attitude amongst some fans - again, in this case I wasn't remotely thinking of you but it reminded me of others in the past - that I can't understand at all as Manchester United supporters.
How can you justify getting rid of De Gea against his will - which to me is key, if he was pushing for a move then a swap deal wouldn't be absurd at all - just to bring in some other superstar? This is a player who clearly enjoys being here and appreciates what the club is all about. If you identify with it then surely you can see why De Gea is one of those players who we shouldn't actively seek to get rid of as it completely contradicts how the club does its business? We're not giving him a chance to develop into the top class talent, we're getting rid of him because he's not already a top class keeper in exchange for a ready-made talent. Does bringing in Ronaldo mean so much that you can momentarily ignore what the club is all about?
Certainly more likely than him taking a wage cut to come here. I was being sarcastic, in case it wasn't clear.
Whats being thrown around the press? 60m + Nani + DDG?
That would be really crazy because after concluding that deal, we'd still have to spend ~15-20m on a new keeper. Cant see that happening.
That would be really crazy because after concluding that deal, we'd still have to spend ~15-20m on a new keeper. Cant see that happening.
Firstly how do you know DDG wouldnt want to move to madrid? Hes a spanard so it seems quite feasible that he grew up wanting to play for madrid. I personally think Ronaldo would add move than DDG would take away. Hes a proven goalscorer and has only gotten better since hes left. DDG meanwhile looks like he could be a great GK but needs to improve his overall game especially his comand of the box from corners and free kicks while cutting out the errors from his game. Do I think he can become top class in a few years? Yes. Buts its not guaranteed, what is guaranteed is that Ronnie is world class. I think you can find another DDG but not another Ronaldo. Also you talk about the clubs ethos, the signing of RVP totally went against this ethos (signing an older ready made player to replace a younger player who has gone through our academy), this only difference in this situation is Ronaldo is a better player thus he would cost more. It is ok to break that ethos every now and then imo, especially when you consider we were the club that made Ronaldo.
Don't want him.
Had 6 good years of him, loved pretty much all of it but it's time to move on. The profile of Ronaldo has imo increased since he has joined Madrid. If he comes back it it will all be all about Ronaldo like it is in Madrid and it could get quite messy.
Had 6 good years of him, loved pretty much all of it but it's time to move on. The profile of Ronaldo has imo increased since he has joined Madrid. If he comes back it it will all be all about Ronaldo like it is in Madrid and it could get quite messy.
If the deal was a straight swap between Ronaldo and De Gea with no transfer fee, then you would obviously accept it, regardless of not being 'what the club is about'. There are limits to the value placed on the 'morals' of the club and in some situations it makes sense to go against them.
This isn't one IMO because as Sarni has made clear the fee is outrageous for what we are getting, but other people like IrishCelt could rationally think differently e.g. by valuing the affect Ronaldo would have as higher, or expecting to be renumerated through merchandise sales etc.
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