All the things i have said in this thread that i expected to be contended, how ironic that the one thing i did specifically not to invite controversy, raised the most eyebrows of all! Cristiano Ronaldo
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All the things i have said in this thread that i expected to be contended, how ironic that the one thing i did specifically not to invite controversy, raised the most eyebrows of all! All this talk about him re-joining us is gathering pace the last week or so, which I find bemusing to say the least.
I don't think he'll come back here because a) we can't afford him, and b) where are we going to fit all of our forwards in? Rooney, van Persie, Ronaldo, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Young, Valencia and Kagawa, not to mention the young talent that will be breaking through within the next two/three years.
It would be insane.
I don't think he'll come back here because a) we can't afford him, and b) where are we going to fit all of our forwards in? Rooney, van Persie, Ronaldo, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, Young, Valencia and Kagawa, not to mention the young talent that will be breaking through within the next two/three years.
It would be insane.
Not that I think it'd happen, but it'd be pretty easy to accommodate them.
Carrick
Kagawa Cleverley
Rooney
van Persie------------Ronaldo
Kagawa Cleverley
Rooney
van Persie------------Ronaldo
Sorted. The other players act as back-ups or other options and if they don't like it they leave. You don't refuse generational footballers Ronaldo to keep good players like Young and Welbeck happy.
Where you fit Ronaldo? That's odd.
Roo, Ron and RvP is as good as whatever Barca can put up front.
We wouldnt have a problem with signing Ronaldo in footballing terms. There can be little doubt about that. Their is no way that Fergie would turn down the chance if the glazers backed him.
The big draw back of this happening is the cost and how it would affect our spending on other areas of the team. What would happen if Fergie was told you can sign Ronaldo for 60mil but that all your spending for Summer 2013? That said he could sell an attacker to generate funds.
I believe Ronaldo will stay at Real and sign a bumper contract in the end.
The big draw back of this happening is the cost and how it would affect our spending on other areas of the team. What would happen if Fergie was told you can sign Ronaldo for 60mil but that all your spending for Summer 2013? That said he could sell an attacker to generate funds.
I believe Ronaldo will stay at Real and sign a bumper contract in the end.
Jesus, People like to rewrite history here. Ronaldo will not magically increase the chances of United to win trophies any more than they already are, the forwards, Van Persie in Particular, are doing a fantastic job but people are so blinded by their strange love for this guy they're willing to "fix" what isn't broken.
Goals scored by United in the seasons Ronaldo became world class:
06/07 83
07/08 80
08/09 68
Goals scored by United the seasons after Ronaldo left:
09/10 86
10/11 78
11/12 89
12/13 54 (20 games)
Now, United team post Ronaldo has outscored the team with Ronaldo in it EVERY season save for the 2010/2011 Season. I mean, half way through this fecking season the team is only 16 goals away from the goal output of the team in the entire 08/09 season, yet bringing Ronaldo back will make the team score a gazillion goals, right?
Van Persie is matching Ronaldo's output at United and he is doing it brilliantly without demanding the ball 60% of the time. The team's attack is at the best it's ever been since the 98/99 season, yet people are in favor of swapping extremely important players and a feck load of money to bring a player that fecked off to his "dream club" the moment they came calling.
But oh no, it doesn't matter because Ronaldo will win us the Champions league, Really? Since 2006, Ronaldo has won a grand total of 1 CL title with teams that are AT LEAST the second best team in the world on paper at the time(United and Madrid), yet he'll automatically transform United into treble winners right? But yeah, don't let facts get in the way of a good old romantic story and all that jazz, Christ!
Goals scored by United in the seasons Ronaldo became world class:
06/07 83
07/08 80
08/09 68
Goals scored by United the seasons after Ronaldo left:
09/10 86
10/11 78
11/12 89
12/13 54 (20 games)
Now, United team post Ronaldo has outscored the team with Ronaldo in it EVERY season save for the 2010/2011 Season. I mean, half way through this fecking season the team is only 16 goals away from the goal output of the team in the entire 08/09 season, yet bringing Ronaldo back will make the team score a gazillion goals, right?
Van Persie is matching Ronaldo's output at United and he is doing it brilliantly without demanding the ball 60% of the time. The team's attack is at the best it's ever been since the 98/99 season, yet people are in favor of swapping extremely important players and a feck load of money to bring a player that fecked off to his "dream club" the moment they came calling.
But oh no, it doesn't matter because Ronaldo will win us the Champions league, Really? Since 2006, Ronaldo has won a grand total of 1 CL title with teams that are AT LEAST the second best team in the world on paper at the time(United and Madrid), yet he'll automatically transform United into treble winners right? But yeah, don't let facts get in the way of a good old romantic story and all that jazz, Christ!
Will be interesting to see how Ronaldo plays once the pace leaves him and how he will adapt. Would he become a player who plays raw striker?
Thing is Rebel INS, Ronaldo would vastly improve our dire wing situation. He'd be a massive improvement over the likes of Valencia and Young, and most importantly, he's so versatile he can play anywhere across the attack, an attribute which helped us in Europe the years Ronaldo was here. It's all hypotheticals anyway, no need to jump to the whole fanboi/man-love theory.
Our team as a whole played significantly more defensively in 07/08 and 08/09, so doing a direct comparison between goal tallies doesn't tell the full story.
You don't think having one of the best players in the world would make us more likely to win trophies? Bizarre thinking.
I think Ronaldo is a noticeably better player than everyone in the United squad currently (though I wouldn't say he's miles better than RVP). I just don't think it's worth disrupting an attacking system that is scoring goals for fun.
Someone mentioned earlier that Rooney, Ronaldo, Van Persie will be as good as Barca's attack. Well, the Barca attack isn't what it is because they have 3 amazing players individually in the front three, Sanchez and Pedro are good players but more importantly they are workhorses that will do ANYTHING for the team.
Having Ronaldo in the team will drastically decrease the goal output of Rooney, or RVP, or both, he will score shitloads but it won't necessarily improve the goal output of the overall team, as proven in my earlier post. Goes without saying, but names don't win you titles, otherwise Man city would be through to the K.O stages of the CL.
Someone mentioned earlier that Rooney, Ronaldo, Van Persie will be as good as Barca's attack. Well, the Barca attack isn't what it is because they have 3 amazing players individually in the front three, Sanchez and Pedro are good players but more importantly they are workhorses that will do ANYTHING for the team.
Having Ronaldo in the team will drastically decrease the goal output of Rooney, or RVP, or both, he will score shitloads but it won't necessarily improve the goal output of the overall team, as proven in my earlier post. Goes without saying, but names don't win you titles, otherwise Man city would be through to the K.O stages of the CL.
The statistics there ignore the fact that since leaving, Ronaldo has only become even better. There's an argument that he's not as great an all-round player, but I'm not sure about it and his goals output has undoubtedly improved since leaving. Only in one season was it anywhere near what it is now, and even then it's less than he generally gets each year at Real Madrid.
This comparison to Van Persie stuff is nonsense as well. Ronaldo's on a different level to him whatever way you put it. Goalscoring obviously is one factor, but there's a lot of others that he excels in ahead of Van Persie as well. There are a few now comparing the two and it's ridiculous.
This is coming from someone who isn't a massive Ronaldo fan and finds all the love for a departed player tedious. Whether he left for the money or not though, he's a brilliant player and I find it bizarre that there are people here who wouldn't take him back if we had the chance; as if he's just another one of the world class strikers out there like Van Persie, when he's a level above.
IMO Ronaldo isn't in the same tier with pele and maradona, but he can fairly claim
to sit with platini, distefano, best, cruyff etc.
to sit with platini, distefano, best, cruyff etc.
It's not Bizarre thinking at all, you are looking at it in Isolation, I'm not.Too many cooks and what not. I think it's over simplification to assume that adding Ronaldo to a team that includes Rooney and RVP will definitely Improve the team, because the output of one or even two of them will decrease significantly, to the point where there is a good chance it'll reduce the overall productivity of the team as an attacking unit.
Really? not for me. Ronaldo as good as Best or Cruyff ? Not in terms of talent, not in a million years. Like i said CR is a great player, but i don't see the level of technical brilliance or intelligence you normally associate with the top bracket. Geniuses make the difference. Best is one of the very few players to still make the top tier of legends without ever having the benefit of a WC to showcase his talents. That shows how highly he was regarded.
For the same reason CR isn't as good as Messi, is why he is a tier below the very top players of all time, and i would include both Best and Cruyff in that very top bracket. Geniuses. CR is great but not a genius in my view.
You're making a hell of an assumption there. Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez seemed to work out okay. The way you're talking now is similar to the way people dismissed the notion of signing Van Persie. We scored plenty last season. Why did adding Van Persie not reduce the productivity of the team?
I think it's a bit pathetic that our supporters sing "Viva Ronaldo" when it was 0-0 and we were struggling at that stage.
Possibly, but only if the balance isn't right, and the team is not overtook by individual ego's.
Let's for instance go 4-2-3-1.
Rafael----Rio--Vidic------Evra
------Carrick---Anderson----
Ronaldo---Rooney---Kagawa
-------------RVP--------------
Doesn't look much wrong with that to me. All we are doing really is replacing one of our current wingers with Ronaldo. You could even go Young or Nani on the left instead of Kagawa. Or put Ron on the left and have one of Nani, Valencia or young on the right.
I know where you are coming from, but your argument doesn't add up. If it did we wouldn't be any better now than we were last year. Yet we are, because signing proven WC quality in RVP has improved us significantly going forward.
By the same logic adding CR to what we have now, must make us an even greater attacking threat, irrespective of how dodgy we are in other areas of the pitch. So if adding RVP has bettered our chances of winning trophies from last season, without strengthening other more generally accepted weaker areas, then surely CR will only further strengthen our position.
I'm not sure I agree TBH. I can see your point, but I can't agree with it. Nani and Valencia have been poor and Young has been okay. Thinking we'd be a poorer team having Ronaldo on the wing is mental.
Having Messi would be a no-go too, right?
I see what you're saying, I just think the forwards will suffer because the primary focus will be on Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a dominating attacker that will take 7-10 of the 14 shots United will have in most games. Reducing brilliant players like Rooney and RVP to 2 shots all game is almost criminal and you will certainly not be getting the best out of them, RVP in particular.
That's a reasonable fear but Ronaldo isn't as selfish as you make him out to be. He takes a lot of shots, but he also creates a lot of good chances.
Ronaldo, needless to say but it's worth saying anyway, would be a massive upgrade over either Young or Nani. So if there's a chance to bring him home, it's just gotta get done. Ronaldo represents the difference between making it to the quarters of the CL league and being a favorite to win the CL. We can seriously entertain notions of multiple trebles with Ronaldo added to this squad.
Love it, people putting together lineups with Ronaldo in already.
Having seen how we played in Ronaldo's last 2 seasons it'd clearly be.
1) Ronaldo
2) The rest servicing and sacrificing themselves for Ronaldo.
Having seen how we played in Ronaldo's last 2 seasons it'd clearly be.
1) Ronaldo
2) The rest servicing and sacrificing themselves for Ronaldo.
Thank you for proving my point with this, As a trio, overrated as hell. Rooney-Ronaldo, Tevez-Rooney, Tevez-Ronaldo were fine, as a trio though? United scored 80 goals that season, that goal tally has been beaten in 2 out of the last three seasons already, and will be comfortably beaten this season too.
For me, it's not just about the quality of the players though. I want us to be a club that builds a team, that gets stronger with every promotion/addition, the way it should be done. The idea of a major player for player swap doesn't sit that well with me. If Ronaldo were available for £60mil + Nani, then whatever Real say, he'd be available for £80mil, or some other larger sum - the exact number doesn't really matter. After all, it's only a matter of timing and planning for them to take whatever sum of money Nani would have accounted for, and spend it on someone else instead. God knows there are enough wingers of his type around at the moment.
Call me greedy, but I don't want to see us swap one good player for another much better player; I want to see us spend the money, and have both. That's what Real Madrid would do, that's what Barca or Bayern would do. Big teams shouldn't be swapping and compromising, they should be adding strength to strength. And if we can't do that, I'd rather we just let him stay where he is. If he ever really wants to move, he can run down his contract.
Call me greedy, but I don't want to see us swap one good player for another much better player; I want to see us spend the money, and have both. That's what Real Madrid would do, that's what Barca or Bayern would do. Big teams shouldn't be swapping and compromising, they should be adding strength to strength. And if we can't do that, I'd rather we just let him stay where he is. If he ever really wants to move, he can run down his contract.
If you look at the average position of Madrid players, in 70-80% of games Ronaldo is the furthest man forward, as central as you can get, with Benzema/Higuain withdrawn.
Di-Maria--------Ozil-----
--------Benzema---
-----------Ronaldo
Something like that, he's anything but a winger in that system. So how will that fit in the United system with Rooney AND RVP in the team?
Ronaldo has won a paltry 2 (out of 9 ) major trophies in a Real Madrid team that many seem to think have a "miles" better midfield and an attack at least on a par with United, why do you think he can win multiple trebles with the current united setup?
Every game too.
I think with Ronaldo we could at least win one treble if not a few champions leagues anyway. We need to win 2 more to catch up with the scouse bastards.
So, in the past 6 seasons, while in the peak of his powers, he's managed to win 1 CL title out of 6 attempts with teams that are at very least, the second favorites in the competition. Yet, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary, you think he's THE key to winning multiple Champions league titles?
Obviously no player can guarantee success but we would surely have a better chance with Ronaldo that without him, I don't really so what point you're trying to make.
Unfortunately, I have to insult some of posters again.
You are muppets.
You are muppets.
That you don't need a Ronaldo as much as you'd like to think to go far in the CL. 4 of the 6 teams that made the CL finals over the past 3 years have done it without a Messi or Ronaldo.
Would love Ronnie back, he's a United player no doubt.
The cost is a big factor given however, impossible to ignore.
If there is anything to the rumours surrounding Zaha and we signed him in January I think that would indicate that we are going down the youth/value route instead. We do need a more dynamic wide player, competition for Young and Valencia, possibly Nani if he does indeed stay.
The cost is a big factor given however, impossible to ignore.
If there is anything to the rumours surrounding Zaha and we signed him in January I think that would indicate that we are going down the youth/value route instead. We do need a more dynamic wide player, competition for Young and Valencia, possibly Nani if he does indeed stay.
Front three? They have Messi. Real's 3rd highest scorer in the league last season scored 9 goals more than Barcelona's 2nd highest. Their one player almost outscored Manchester United in 2012. Who cares what two other players are highest up the pitch when you have Messi.
We don't even have a nailed on attacking system. Kagawa came on for Carrick and Welbeck on for Young today. Both played out of position. We had Giggs on the left. Disrupting the system. That's the exact same thing that the RvP purchase doubters said. What about x and y? How will SAF solve that? You think Barca wouldn't want Ronaldo because it might "disrupt their system". No club would say no to him because of that reason.
can we ask nike to help us a bit to finance ronaldo's return, if it is true he wants out of madrid?
Cesc's Mullet, Chief and Spammy have said that or similar in the past.
I doubt it, but in theory I imagine the extra money we'd make from our various commercial deals and his personal image rights (which these days almost always go through the club unless the contract is specifically negotiated otherwise) would go a lot of the way towards paying his wages. And that, in turn, would offset some of his transfer fee. So in a way, they would be contributing.
And what about the fee we get for selling them Rooney and Nani ?
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