De Gea and Nani would be out the door so fast their cocks would fall off if Fergie got offered that deal, some in here are really underestimating how special of a player Ronaldo is and just how great Fergie thinks he is.
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One side is based in reality i.e. Ronaldo being brilliant and one is based on chance i.e. De Gea becoming brilliant.
If you're pragmatic about it, the former wins every time.
If you're pragmatic about it, the former wins every time.
If the fee was slightly less than 60m then I would certainly trade De Gea and Nani for Ronaldo.
Ronaldo is a special player and abit of a one off and De Gea is replaceable. You also got to bear in mind he is also likely one day going to want to return to Spain anyway. Ronaldo's the best attacking player I ever seen play for United.
Ronaldo is a special player and abit of a one off and De Gea is replaceable. You also got to bear in mind he is also likely one day going to want to return to Spain anyway. Ronaldo's the best attacking player I ever seen play for United.
I wouldn't say it's short term thinking. We don't know exactly how de Gea will develop. He's got all the attributes to be one of the best but it's a long road and he might not get there.
That's why I tried not to get into naming names because the nest post is inevitable. I wasn't saying Begovic was better (though his all round game means he edges it for now IMO) but the difference isn't great and I don't think it will ever be great.
I'd rather have one of the best players in the World plus a keeper in the top 10 than the best keeper in the World and Nani.
I have no idea how I got involved in this by the way. Totally your fault Nick.
We would be insane to let De Gea go for Ronaldo. No doubt Ronaldo is beyond amazing and I would love him back, but goalkeepers of the same talent level as De Gea are very difficult to find, and even if you do find them, they are incredibly difficult to dislodge from their clubs.
As others have said, Ronaldo is 28, it just doesn't seem like a particularly good investment despite his talent. One of the outfield players though, sure.
As others have said, Ronaldo is 28, it just doesn't seem like a particularly good investment despite his talent. One of the outfield players though, sure.
It's like discussing the pros and cons of going out with Sonia Aquino.
It's not going to happen either way.
It's not going to happen either way.
If we could sort our defence out, we wouldn't need to rely on DDG's occasional heroics; a steady, even average, 'keeper would do. The question would then be moot.
People said that about RVP...
The only difference being RVP cost four times less than the price being mooted and didn't involve directly weakening our team to get him.
You're not actually arguing anything here, just trying to dismiss an opposing viewpoint with attempted condescension, and it isn't working. Try making some real points, like this:
I'm willing to accept the blame, it's stupid o'clock after all.
I just don't see how, overall, United benefit. You have to consider how much the attack gains verses how much the defense loses, and in my humble opinion the defense loses more than the attack gains. At this moment in time we're not struggling to score goals by any stretch, it's our defence that is struggling, and removing a GK who has saved our ass countless times makes us considerably weaker in that department.
I'm not against the idea of Ronaldo coming back, by the way, but I don't think we should be throwing away immense talents from other areas of the pitch where the singing doesn't make up for them. Having Nani as part of the deal makes sense, Ronaldo directly replaces and improves upon him. But not big Dave.
Thing is if this was on the table (which I believe it isnt) signing Ronaldo would enable us to win a few champions league titles in say the 6/7 seasons he could play for us, keeping DDG wouldnt have the same effect imo. That is something this great club lacks and something which the dippers love reminding us about.
I don't see how having Ronaldo would automatically mean we win the Champions League. We lost one CL final with him, and still managed to get to another final without him. Ronaldo isn't a team unto himself and having him here wouldn't paper over the cracks we already have.
Besides, as much as Ronaldo is a gamebreaker, we've just bought one in RVP so I don't see the immediate need to trade away a massive prospect like DDG for him. But as you say, this is all hypothetical.
Exactly, signing Ronaldo for 60 million plus those 2 is not fixing the problems we already have. Barcelona will still beat us, we will still complain about the midfield. I'd much rather we got 2 midfielders for that money, and kept the 2 players at United. The story is obviously nonsense anyway, but I don't know why so many people would want him back at that price. That's over 100 million for a 28 year old, who basically plays as a striker. Great investment. I loved Ronaldo when he was here, but the ship has sailed a long time ago, and people need to move on.
Im amazed that some people wouldn't swap De Gea for Ronaldo :S
I like De Gea he's a decent keeper but come on this is Ronaldo we are talking about, a player capable of scoring 60+ goals a season. We could probably put Paddy Kenny in goal with a forward line up of RvP, Ronaldo and Rooney
I like De Gea he's a decent keeper but come on this is Ronaldo we are talking about, a player capable of scoring 60+ goals a season. We could probably put Paddy Kenny in goal with a forward line up of RvP, Ronaldo and Rooney
It's not just de Gea though, it's de Gea, Nani and 60 million.
100m for a player who averages more than a goal a game...
I'd still bring him back.
Our wingers have not been playing up to United's usual standards and we've only been saved by the awesomeness of RVP this season.
Face it, Valencia is not a goal scoring Winger, he never will be and at 27 he doesn't look like the true No.7.
Young has lost a lot of confidence, he used to score a lot more, or he actually looked a lot sharper in front of goal, he's lost it here I don't know why.
Nani's been injured and he still has that Nani syndrome of short passing the ball to the opponent, he's still the best winger we've got when on form...
To be fair, judging this season based on only form, Spuds wingers Lennon and Bale have done far more than Valencia and Young.
Ronaldo will be like an RVP signing, he'll do immensely well, be our top 3 player in the squad... but at a price and risk that only SAF can decide whether to take it or not.
Easy for us fans to say yes, who knows what goes behind the scenes about marketing, shirt sales, sponsers etc... But I'd love to have the best Winger in the world back in the No.7 jersey.
Who says the ship has sailed long ago must have not watched him at all after we sold him, he just got insanely better minus his free kicks which haven't hit the target as much as he did here.
I'd still bring him back.
Our wingers have not been playing up to United's usual standards and we've only been saved by the awesomeness of RVP this season.
Face it, Valencia is not a goal scoring Winger, he never will be and at 27 he doesn't look like the true No.7.
Young has lost a lot of confidence, he used to score a lot more, or he actually looked a lot sharper in front of goal, he's lost it here I don't know why.
Nani's been injured and he still has that Nani syndrome of short passing the ball to the opponent, he's still the best winger we've got when on form...
To be fair, judging this season based on only form, Spuds wingers Lennon and Bale have done far more than Valencia and Young.
Ronaldo will be like an RVP signing, he'll do immensely well, be our top 3 player in the squad... but at a price and risk that only SAF can decide whether to take it or not.
Easy for us fans to say yes, who knows what goes behind the scenes about marketing, shirt sales, sponsers etc... But I'd love to have the best Winger in the world back in the No.7 jersey.
Who says the ship has sailed long ago must have not watched him at all after we sold him, he just got insanely better minus his free kicks which haven't hit the target as much as he did here.
It's a big deal no doubt about that but we would make most of the 60m back in no time through merchandise sales etc. The deal will never happen anyway will it but just imagine Ronaldo, Van Persie and Rooney has a forward 3....it would be fecking unstoppable.
Are people seriously suggesting they'd turn down the chance of Ronaldo just because the deal might involve our keeper, who might turn out to be brilliant, but might not?
I threw up the idea of Rooney plus a fee for Ronaldo earlier, and a couple of people gunned it down.
But answer me this, both Ronaldo and Rooney are similar ages. Which of them do you think will last longer.
Supreme super strong fast athlete Ronaldo, or boozey, cig smoking takes a month to get back in shape Rooney?
I wonder if the same people who harp on about Ronaldo "deserting us", conveniently ignore Rooney's little moment of magic in trying to do the same to engineer more money.
Don't get me wrong, Rooney is still our key player, as good as VP has been coming in, but when the name Ronaldo comes into play we're talking a far higher plane than both.
We'd break the bank if any chance whatsoever I'm sure. Interest, and merchandise would go off the scale.
I threw up the idea of Rooney plus a fee for Ronaldo earlier, and a couple of people gunned it down.
But answer me this, both Ronaldo and Rooney are similar ages. Which of them do you think will last longer.
Supreme super strong fast athlete Ronaldo, or boozey, cig smoking takes a month to get back in shape Rooney?
I wonder if the same people who harp on about Ronaldo "deserting us", conveniently ignore Rooney's little moment of magic in trying to do the same to engineer more money.
Don't get me wrong, Rooney is still our key player, as good as VP has been coming in, but when the name Ronaldo comes into play we're talking a far higher plane than both.
We'd break the bank if any chance whatsoever I'm sure. Interest, and merchandise would go off the scale.
100m for a 28yr old. It doesn't make one bit of sense. RVP was 24m and is on probably lesser wages than what Ronaldo will be on.
I'd value both Nani and DDG at 20m each.
I'd value both Nani and DDG at 20m each.
The difference is ofcourse that Ronaldo left us while Rooney is still there and fighting for the team.
You wouldn't get Ronaldo for 100million.
Not a fan of how he left, however IF he did return..couldn't that have an effect on other lads present and in the future with regards the grass not always being greener?.....
It's not just about Ronaldo. It's about the future generations who would see that.
But it won't happen so ..
Portuguese newspaper claims that Ronaldo has a pact to rejoin United
Anyone able to confirm that 'Record' have run this story?
Anyone able to confirm that 'Record' have run this story?
I can believe there's a loose "Pact" with Fergie, just a "gentleman's" agreement type thing.
But it's likely that Ronaldo will stay with Real Madrid having secured a whopping contract.
And Fergie will probably have gone by the time that one expires.
I could then see him head off to wherever the biggest money is on offer in 3-4 years time, be it Qatar, China or somewhere.
Imagine a summer move back here though. That'd be monumental.
We wouldn't be paying more than 35m for Ronaldo at the age of 28. Those saying 60m + Nani are mental.
Considering what he will generate in terms of thropies, prize money, merchandise, sponsorship deals and new fans, it's makes all the sense in the world. If the player want to come to us and Real will sell, then we will buy him I think.
Cocks out
Begovic from Stoke. Excellent every time I've seen him. Big, strong, doesn't make a lot of errors.
We just paid 25m for Persie who is 29 himself and has easily been our best player this season. Keep in mind, he was on last year of his contract. Zidane transfer happened when he was a similar age himself. I personally think there is absolutely no chance of Ronaldo coming to us next summer but IF he was available, Fergie would be happy to spend 60m+ to get him if Glazers allow it.
Are you serious? Jesus im shocked I think 99.9% of every football fan/club/manager would personally walk to Madrid and carry him back if they could get Ronaldo for 35m...
Second best player in the world a million miles ahead of anybody else but Messi and only just turning 28 I must add (he's 27 atm) and scores 60 goals a season without breaking a sweat. It was only a few months back that SAF said we have been ripped off and we should have got more than 80m for him.
60 million plus the 2 players for ronaldo, or 60 million for 2 world class midfielders. I know what I'd prefer
If we are spending big money I'd rather we went for Schweinstiger!
It is silly to want a sign Ronaldo for that kind of money at his age, when we have a young goalkeeper who could be here for years and forming the backbone of yet another great United team. I have been one of De Geas biggest critics, but he can become great with SAFs guidance. Ronaldo has already had that and took it to Real Madrid and to be honest, it would be a shame to see a talent go to waste just because Ronaldo wants to come back. Perso, I hope he stays there, he made his bed, he lies in it, simple as.
Ronaldo, because he will make us the best team in the world with Barca and guarantee success. I can't see two midfielders out there atm that will be such a huge improvement on what we got already that they will do the same for us.
No he wont. We already have a brilliant attack. We don't have a brilliant midfield though, and our defence is leaking too many goals. Ronaldo wont change any of that. You don't see 2 midfielders that will improve us? You actually believe that?
Easily if he doesn't sign a new contract with Madrid.
Our midfield had problems in 2008-09 but we won the League, the League Cup and got to the final of the European Cup. Ronaldo makes other teams worry, he causes other teams to be less adventurous because they fear what he could do to them if they over commit. Having Ronaldo in your side simply makes it easier to win games.
Are we genuinely debating if we'd be willing to pay through the nose for Cristiano? I remember when the other Ronaldo scored basically a goal per game for Barca when he was a kid and I thought to myself this is amazing, nobody will ever do something like this again, but today's Ronaldo has totally eclipsed that. Ronaldo and Messi are breaking records in a way even the best of the best that came before them couldn't. He's one of the best players to ever kick a ball and to have him back would be a tremendous boost to our trophy winning ambitions.
I hated summer 2008 and I've not forgotten him calling himself a slave and all that garbage but you know if I can let what Rooney did 3 years ago slide then I can forget Ronaldo's behaviour, especially when he's that good.
Do you think we would be leading the league if we had signed a 25m WC midfielder instead of Persie? Ii don't think so personally even though I am one of those who has been shotuing for us to sign a MF or two for last 4 seasons
Don't know why people keep going on about his age, he's no ordinary 28 year old. People always talk about how well he takes care of himself. He could quite easily go on to play until his late 30s like Giggs if he wanted to.
Absolutely not true. Brazilian Ronaldo scored 34 in 37 at Barca when they were scoring under 2.5 goals per game whereas now they (and Madrid) are scoring almost 3.5 goals per game. Ronaldo scoring a few more goals in a team that is far more dominant is not eclipsing anything, particularly given how many of Brazilian Ronaldo's goals were purely individual efforts. He was a one-man team in a way this Ronaldo has never been. If you're just looking at the basic goals stats without any context you're going to get a misleading impression. Look at it another way:
- In 97/98 Ronaldo only scored 25 goals in Serie A - 40% of Inter's goals.
- The top scorers in the league scored 67 goals - less than 2 goals per game.
- Last season Ronaldo scored 46 league goals - 38% of Madrid's goals.
- The top scorers (Madrid) scored 121 goals - over 3 goals per game.
There's no question for me if Cristiano Ronaldo played in that Barca side he wouldn't be scoring almost a goal a game while Brazilian Ronaldo at this Madrid side would easily be scoring 40+.
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