Yes, if he is not injured, he will play every game.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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Messi looks great for Barcelona, but that's all we've ever seen from him. He doesn't do it for Argentina (the accolades in the last world cup were a bit of a joke too) despite Argentina having 10x better players than Portugal. Messi did most of his good stuff during Pep's golden years (a bit like Pele during Brazil's golden years) when all the planets and moons were in alignment and the likes of Iniesta, Xavi, Villa were winning or nearly winning Ballon Dors. He's still doing it don't get me wrong, thus the comparison with Pele. I just don't get the sense that if he's put in Man Utd (for example) he'll continue to be an unstoppable machine. If anything I reckon the output will go down noticeably to mere mortal levels.
Whereas if Ronaldo went (back) to Utd you could somehow still see him single handedly scoring 30+, maybe even 40+, goals every season. He just gives you that 'feeling'. That aura. But its just my opinion and its not biased as obviously Ronaldo is ex-manc so it should be the other way round.
They should both come United to test out that theory.
Would not object to that!
Can't believe I am agreeing with every letter of a Dumbstar post. Feeling bit dirty
I disagree with that so much that it's probably not even worth my time debating. You may as well have just posted that Messi can't do it without Xavi or Iniesta.
well, according to that post, messi driving argentina to the final in the last world cup is nothing special and it doesnt show he can make it outside of barcelona, wich is far from being a bright statementTypical scouser. I don't know why we haven't banned them all yet.
he also is the second scorer in argentina history, with only 27 years and a lot of games to play yet
also, dont forget this is a football forum and non manchester united fans are welcome
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You're right, we should be more accommodating and allow these people in.
Saying anything against Messi or Ronaldo is ridiculous as they operate on another stratosphere. I was just trying to put my je ne se quoi opinion of Ronaldo in writing, and obviously brought them down to human levels which did Messi a disservice. I just 'like' Ronaldo more. Lets leave it at that.
its pretty fine to like one more or to think that one of them is better than the otherYou're right, we should be more accommodating and allow these people in.
Saying anything against Messi or Ronaldo is ridiculous as they operate on another stratosphere. I was just trying to put my je ne se quoi opinion of Ronaldo in writing, and obviously brought them down to human levels which did Messi a disservice. I just 'like' Ronaldo more. Lets leave it at that.
but seriously, do you really think that messi hasnt prove how good he is playing for argentina? he did great in last world cup and also in the qualifying,
i agree that he has better companion than ronaldo, but so does many other players that didn play as good as messi
You're far too easily impressed by him if you thought he was great at the World Cup.
He scored important goals but he was largely anonymous otherwise.
he was MVP four games in a row, wich is a world record
He's Argentinian and very defensive of Messi/anything Argentinian.
We should have put in a massive "250 total club goals" clause when we sold him. Say, another £50 million quid.
£80 million was a joke.
£80 million was a joke.
and you are american and very defensive of ... erm ... there must be someone ...
bush!
Feck no. Don't start no shit on Alexi Lalas, our bearded saint!
listen soccer lover, when you see an argentinian talking about football you read, you try to understand and try to learn
that's what i do when i see an american talking about baseball, basketball and school shootings
Argentina vs USA in here 
that means, messi, maradona, distefano vs ... Mr Marcello?Argentina vs USA in here
Ali, Jim Thorpe, and John Holmes
Sorry my American friend, but Messi & Maradona >>>>> Freddy Adu and Jozy Altidore
we are talking about FOOTBALL! this is a FOOTBALL forum
john holmes?
the porn actor? he is the king
No one rates those two in US football circles.
I'd hope not lol. Who's seen as the greatest American footballer of all time in the states?
Dempsey and Donovan I'd assume?
Probably so, albeit three keepers - Friedel, Howard, Keller - are arguably better than any outfield player produced. Tab Ramos (he has Uruguayan blood, marco!) may have been the most skillful and would thrive today. Reyna (of Argentinian blood, marco!) is up there too.
I actually agree with some of Dumbstar's claims even though I'm hopeless Messi's fanboy. but it also needs to be said he almost never had the luxury of working with great managers except Guardiola. for him it's never Ancelotti, Mourinho or Fergie, it's mostly clowns like Enrique, Maradona and some unknown caretakers. I know it's widely accepted that everyone can manage Barcelona, but it's just not true. and unlike Barcelona, not every Madrid's transfer is complete disaster and they actually invest in defence. you won't find Ronaldo in imbalanced team as often as you find Messi and you certainly won't see Ancelotti playing Khedira in defence for 3 or 4 years. so... it's far from perfect surrounding for Messi.
Tab Ramos, Coby Jones, Lalas, they made a very good team
i remember when USA beat colombia in 1994 WC, i was so happy, the colombians thought that they were going to win the world cup -the bastards beat us 5-0 in buenos aires- and they were all cocky about it, the had a great team, but they didnt make it pass the group stage -ok, latter the crazy colombias killed escobar, wich gave a very different perspective to that loss, but at the time, i enjoyed it very much
if my memory doesnt fail me, USA won 2-1 that game
i also remember when the stupid passarella play against USA in an american cup with all the subs and kept the better players for the second round, because only if we lost for 3 goals we would be disqualified or come second, cant remember right.
we lost 3-0
This has, yet again, turned into a Ronaldo vs Messi thread. There is a separate thread for that.
Of all the weird criticisms, Ronaldo is being criticized for not being able to play in different positions, such as CM. That, for me, is like saying that O'shea was a better footballer than Rio because he could play as a fullback, a center back and even in the centre of the pitch. Rio was definitely best suited to play as a CB.
Ronaldo has found his position at RM. He's a wide forward, not an out and out winger and not a striker. He drifts in from wide positions and has a very free role. In his position, there are none better. He has all the attributes to be the best in the world. Watching him play these days, he is very clinical and pragmatic in his approach. Watching Messi, he loses the ball a lot more.
Limiting Ronaldo's abilities because of his pragmatism is just wrong. He can still dribble, but watching flair players who dribble a lot, even Messi, they lose the ball a lot. Considering RM's counter attacking style, losing the ball means that you catch your team out of balance by doing so. When Messi loses the ball, there are still 8 or more players behind him ready to win the ball back. They play in completely different styles of football. Both are perfectly suited to the style they are playing in.
Of all the weird criticisms, Ronaldo is being criticized for not being able to play in different positions, such as CM. That, for me, is like saying that O'shea was a better footballer than Rio because he could play as a fullback, a center back and even in the centre of the pitch. Rio was definitely best suited to play as a CB.
Ronaldo has found his position at RM. He's a wide forward, not an out and out winger and not a striker. He drifts in from wide positions and has a very free role. In his position, there are none better. He has all the attributes to be the best in the world. Watching him play these days, he is very clinical and pragmatic in his approach. Watching Messi, he loses the ball a lot more.
Limiting Ronaldo's abilities because of his pragmatism is just wrong. He can still dribble, but watching flair players who dribble a lot, even Messi, they lose the ball a lot. Considering RM's counter attacking style, losing the ball means that you catch your team out of balance by doing so. When Messi loses the ball, there are still 8 or more players behind him ready to win the ball back. They play in completely different styles of football. Both are perfectly suited to the style they are playing in.
As voted by who though?
Surely you can agree Mascherano was the best Argentinian player at that tournament at the very least?
Messi's best performances came with Xavi and Iniesta both at their peak and combining incredibly well during Pep's years. He is still incredible but dumbstar is saying just not as incredible.
There is nothing wrong with that opinion.
That Barcelona team was amazing, when you have an academy like that and so many players that came from that academy you will also be amazing, look at Louis van Gaal's Ajax, them being so young is misleading considering they had spent more time playing with each other and in that way than players from so many other teams in Europe.
I am of the opinion had Ronaldo been at Real Madrid from a young age, graduated from their academy, an academy that played a certain type of football that was consistent with the first team and a type of football that made the most of Ronaldo's ability with players also graduating from that academy in that system on the level of Xavi and Iniesta, the understand he would have with them would be even better and I think he would perform to a higher level for it.
There is nothing wrong with thinking a team is better than an individual, in accepting any player in the world will have a set of conditions that will maximise his performance, such as the manager, the system, the understanding with players around him, the overall team etc.
I don't think dumbstar's opinion was as unfair as you suggest to be honest.
Furthermore he actually posted Messi can still do it, he was just arguing his best performances might have been influenced by the peak of Xavi-Iniesta partnership.
voted by who? i dont know
and mascherano wasnt the best argentinian player against iran, bosnia, nigeria, switzerland and belgium
he was our best player aginst the dutchs
Well even it's an opinion - that's the point I'm trying to make. Some people are saying they simply can not be compared; they discuss Ronnie as some sort of goal poacher with no other aspect to his game.
Anyway, shouldn't be talking about that here. Personally he's the best player to watch on the planet right now to me.
CR is a one-trick pony, just as Messi is that too. They both only contribute on offence, no defence at all. In a few years from now, we will look back at both players as wonderful unique events. But they will end up in the Eusebio class, not any further. They are not and will not be world beaters. The records they are setting now in a completely broken Spanish league is not worth to be taking serious for anybody.
You're stating your own opinion as fact.
They will be looked back on as the best players of their generation by a country mile and there will be a huge number of people that will discribe Messi as the best ever, some will argue Ronaldo.
Especially as this generation reaches middle and old age and they get the same wistful nostalgia added to their profile that Pele and Maradona currently enjoy.
We may actually be looking at the two greatest players of all time.
I'm not sure if you're being serious. But... regarding your last bit... What's your 'explanation' for their CL records then
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