No it's not.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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He's not. He won the Ballon d'Or last year because Messi was injured, and he'll probably win it this year because Messi's team lost (narrowly) the two 'finals' they reached last season, while Ronaldo's team won (narrowly) the only final they reached.
Wouldn't agree with that mate, and then you have to take into account one is a few years younger too.
Watching Messi when he was only 18 or 19 I always knew it'd only take one full season free of major injury for him to move to the top of the pile.
This debate has got quite weird. You'd think Ronaldo was some kind Hernandez or Lineker-esque 6-yard goal machine to read a lot of the debate.
This is a guy who at United, until he upped his scoring rate, was always talked about as one of those players who was all about the skills, but didn't always have an end product.
This is a guy who at United, until he upped his scoring rate, was always talked about as one of those players who was all about the skills, but didn't always have an end product.
Let's not get into that debate again, we all have our own opinions regarding whose better and I can respect that, I just have issues with people like the one I quoted earlier who like to present their opinions as "facts".
I wouldn't call 2 years "a few", anyway, like I said, everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Has there feck. Ronaldo may be in better scoring form, but he's never been a better player. Messi's a special talent that comes around once in a lifetime, Ronaldo aint. One has a team built around him to get the best out of him, the other's literally having to carry an entire midfield/attack. Think it was very telling how much of an overreliance Barcelona have on Messi when they had to call on a half fit player to dig them out the mire against PSG a couple years ago, and the likes of Iniesta and co went into hiding.
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Don't completely agree regarding Ronaldo. A player posting his sorts of scoring numbers isn't exactly normal, doubt I'll see it many more times.
Nope, its just your opinion.
I mean this is his best ever year 2014 (in terms of goals) and he outscored Messi by 5 goals? Clearly better? No.
What has happened in the last 2 years is that it has become debatable.
Whichever of them is better, that's an insane statement. Ronaldo not a special talent that comes around once in a lifetime? OK....
Incredible revisionism here. Suddenly Iniesta, Xavi et al are all shit.
Makes you wonder whether Spain would have won those three tournaments in a row if they didn't have Messi...
Ronaldo will never be better player than Messi. now he can finally outscore him by few goals because of Barcelona's decline and Messi playing a different role but that's it.
Whichever of them is better, that's an insane statement. Ronaldo not a special talent that comes around once in a lifetime? OK....
Incredible revisionism here. Suddenly Iniesta, Xavi et al are all shit.
Makes you wonder whether Spain would have won those three tournaments in a row if they didn't have Messi...
revisionism? Neither of the two have really been pulling their weight for a few years now.
Why are you laughing? What he says is absolutely true. Even when most people talked about how Messi's last season is poor, he was still 2 goals shorter than Ronaldo and had like 7-8 more assists than him. Fact of the matter is, Ronaldo isn't better than Messi and the only two seasons I would consider him better were 2006-2007 and 2007-2008, but that's because Messi was too young back then.
What I'm laughing at has nothing to do with who is better, at all. As I've already said to you, I've no interest in shitty, boring, endless discussions like that. It's the idea that Messi has apparently not been playing in a good team I find hilarious.
So, how many players like Ronaldo have you seen prior to him and how many do you envisage being like him in the future? You know, considering Ronaldo "aint" a once in a lifetime kind of player, they must come around quite regularly, right?
Here's to another 5 years of this inane yet inevitable debate.
Sorry, I should have read it more carefully. I thought you bolded the never part, but it was TheShedEnd who did it. Again, sorry.
Messi fans claim Ronaldo fans are only obsessed with stats then use stats to suggest Messi wasn't actually that bad last year because he was only a couple of goals behind Ronaldo...
Messi's actual performances last year were sub par for a vast swathe of the season. Not just sub par versus his previous world-beating, absolutely amazing form at his peak, but sub par compared to many other players in both La Liga and the rest of Europe.
That he still put up fantastic numbers is testament to his supreme quality but surely most can't deny he was pretty average last season. Many games he looked like he just couldn't be arsed hence why people suggested he was saving his best for the World Cup. The same World Cup where he won the player of the tournament despite basically doing what Ronaldo is accused of doing, scoring goals (albeit important goals to help Argentina progress) and absolutely feck all else. Mascherano was miles better than him just in his own team, let alone the Germans and a few other good performers. That he won that award was a travesty and even he looked bemused by it.
Ronaldo was very good all season then got injured but was desperate to play in the CL final (who wouldn't) and it showed that he was about 30-40% fit because he was shite. The backlash from the injury and rushing back unfit meant he was shite at the World Cup too.
Whist he wasn't at his best last season, to say he was average is a bit of a joke really.
Ronaldo was in better form for last season, but to say Messi was average.. come on.
As a goal scorer he's unique, but i'd say in the last decade alone there have been more talented players. Messi's just of the rare sort that puts him in the top three footballers to have ever played the game. By the time he was 22 years old people were already comparing him with the all time greats, now it's a given.
Ronaldo and Messi are comparable talents. Few would dispute this.
I think many would disagree.
Many obv disagree hence the endless debates.
Statistics aside I don't think they're comparable at all. Out of curiosity, do you think Ronaldo's as good a player as Maradona was?
Given their binary dominance for the better part of a decade, its hard to say there's much between them. I thought this much would be blatantly clear by now.
The very fact that there is debate should prove the point.
Only if you just keep staring at numbers. Watching them play, at least for me, it's blatantly clear messi is the superior footballer. Both are fanatatic though.
Statistics and trophies aside, there isn't really much between them. They have both benefited by being central to their sides winning multiple leagues, CLs etc which was never really matched by their international performances. Everything else is qualitative and completely subjective.
Messi is wonderful to watch, especially at his peak. Ronaldo seems to have maintained his peak level a bit longer to his credit. I wonder if Messi will be able to do the same by the time he's 30. Probably not. They're both fantastic though, and there's no correct answer as to who is better.
I think he and Messi have been consistently more dominant than Maradona. The latter was obviously one of the greatest ever. Ronaldo and Messi's legends won't be realized until a few years or decades after they retire, at which point people will marvel at the ridiculous extremes they took the game during their decade at the top.
How has Ronaldo maintianed his peak longer? He's maintained it long, yes, but messi has hardly fallen away. Unless we're saying coming second ina a player award is not being at your best? In that case Ronaldo's peak has come in the last two years? Your argument is confusing.
I expect them both to be the best/among the best till around 31/32. Don't see why either should fall away.
They are both fanatatic but I think there is a meaningful comparison to be made, like I said, unless you want to just convert them into two statistics and not look at all else that matters. In that case, sure you can't compare them.
Messi peaked about 3 years ago and appears to be in the wane. He's still easily one of the top two players in the world, but his dizzying heights have clearly dropped off a bit since his 73 goal year. Ronaldo, bizarrely, seems to still be improving at age 30. He will probably peak this year.
So according to you their peaks are at different points and not ones peak being longer than anothers. Okay.
Also, messi got 91 goals that year. I think. 73 was for the season if I'm not mistaken.
No one can keep improving on that tally either.
I don't want to beat a dead cat here.. but didn't we have a fecking Ronaldo v Messi thread for all this shite?
That's correct. Thus it was his peak. He was clearly more dominant and feared that year than during any period of his career.
In fairness to Messi, he was on course to beat the 73 goals he scored the following season. He managed 46 overrall in the league and 60 in total and would have surpassed it had he not gotten injured against PSG. It was so badly mis-managed by Barcelona he never really fully recovered till this season, a good 18 months.
Barcelona have regressed further since then and he's now baring the brunt of not only being their main forward, but the creative hub of the side too. I don't think Barcelona would be anywhere near as high as they are in the league if he were replaced with anyone else, including Ronaldo.
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