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Cristiano Ronaldo
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Point taken.
Right now he is.
I'm not a big fan of Ronaldo and even less a fan of throwing stats around for every little comparison, however, there comes a point where you just have to acknowledge the sheer weight of numbers Ronaldo has put up over the last 5 seasons despite never being a true centre forward. Messi is better purely because he can put up those stats and do a whole lot more besides but I'm not too sure of the likes of Maradona and others that come up in the discussions.
I don't think Messi's superiority over Cristiano Ronaldo will ever be seriously called into question in future. He hasn't had to further prove his superiority for a while now.
It is being called into question right now - history will show who will be ahead in terms of Ballon d'Ors and stats. I know there are many here who object to those awards and stats, but they are the only way of objectively judging them in the future.
He was getting a goal a game by last Christmas, and if it weren't for a red card and a couple of niggling injuries he probably would have scored a handful more to maintain a goal a game in the second half of the season. This start however has been astonishing, and he is on 50 minutes per goal in La Liga right now! The theory of him slowing down the second half isn't exactly true, and if he maintains this level for the rest of the season (which will be mightily impressive too), then he is looking good for reaching that record 55 goals in one season.
It's scary to think he is on 32 total goals so far, which 9 away from his record season at United, a year we thought that his tally would be hard to beat!
How many calendar year goals has he?
61 + 20 assists
How come this way of assessing players has become the one and only way of assessing players? People had opinions on who was the best/better player for years without having to defer to stats. Why would they suddenly change now?
Stats are useful, but they're not the only way to conclude and only idiots don't consider context and non-statistical factors.
Muller was considerably better than Maradona init? Stats don't lie... (apparently)
The difference is that messi is up there with the best as a scorer and as a playmaker whereas Rooney is not. That's why he is inherently better
Imo anyway.
And you can use a player as both because that's exactly how messi has been used by Barca. He has at no point been one or the other.
That's my last post in this thread regarding the comparison. This isn't the place for it and it's tedious.
Of course people can have opinions without having to defer to stas - that's a great thing about football! However, opinions are subjective.
lol. Go back to the newbies, fool.
They are indeed. Goalscoring records are not proof of a player being better than another though, that's the mistake you're making.
I was also including Ballon d'Ors - but you have a fair point. My opinion (which obviously is just that) is that stats and awards are the way to judge someone as objectively as possible (of course that is also rebuttable re: politics and Ballon d'Or but that's for another time!).
ronaldo yesterday played anonimously for 80 minutes, but he is so intelligent and such a good footballer that only needed to score his two customary goals in the last ten minutes
one of them -the first one- after a great play that he started
when i was watching the game before ronaldo scored, i was thinking that todays news would not be "real madrido won" because that's not "news" at all, i was thinking that the story was going to be "ronaldo didnt score" in gigantic cathastrophy letters
because ronaldo that in 14 games playing scored 25 goals is news when he doesnt score
one of them -the first one- after a great play that he started
when i was watching the game before ronaldo scored, i was thinking that todays news would not be "real madrido won" because that's not "news" at all, i was thinking that the story was going to be "ronaldo didnt score" in gigantic cathastrophy letters
because ronaldo that in 14 games playing scored 25 goals is news when he doesnt score
You could argue that awards are less than, say, scientific, though. Lots of things come in to play there. It's hardly ever completely undeserved when someone wins a Ballon d' Or, but it has certainly been debatable at times.
Another thing to factor in is that barring a technological meltdown of some sort, future generations will have an immense wealth of footage available - much more than we have to judge even fairly recent players on. And they will - presumably - have access to archived forums like this one, from which they can get a much more in-the-moment sort of knowledge about how fans regarded these players compared to what we have available regarding historical players.
That's because he hasn't been "superior" for a while now, there is no doubt that Ronaldo is currently the better player.
He's in better form.
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I wouldn't say it's being seriously challenged just now just because you and a couple of others on here pipe up for a chugfest every time Ronaldo bags a goal.
7 penalties by December helps too
I hardly ever agree with a Liverpool fan but I partly agree here with Dumbstar.
Purely on individual level to me Messi is the better player, but I still enjoy watching Ronaldo even more. I also think Messi needs the right set up around him more than Ronaldo. If I imagine a scenario where the team is playing badly and creating nothing and we have 10 minutes left against a bus parking defence, and I would have the choice to pick one of Ronaldo or Messi for those remaining 10 mins, I would pick Ronaldo. Even if it comes down to the possibility of him scoring a header from a corner or one of his 5 shots getting in.
I also think (obviously one can't prove it) that if some great managers had to choose one of them for their team/system, they would choose Ronaldo: SAF, Simeone, Mourinho are the ones I am thinking of. Obviously Guardiola for his system would choose Messi.
It's not that Messi can't get a result if the team is playing badly, indeed he has carried Barca on his own often enough, but it's just that in a desperate situation or for various different systems I would prefer Ronaldo.
It's similar with me preferring Koke to (even a fit) Thiago although Thiago probably is the more gifted player.
I have also always for similar reasons preferred Becks to Giggs although I like Giggsy too and Giggsy probably is the more gifted one.
Comes down to individual preference and small differences in the end as far as I am concerned.
Purely on individual level to me Messi is the better player, but I still enjoy watching Ronaldo even more. I also think Messi needs the right set up around him more than Ronaldo. If I imagine a scenario where the team is playing badly and creating nothing and we have 10 minutes left against a bus parking defence, and I would have the choice to pick one of Ronaldo or Messi for those remaining 10 mins, I would pick Ronaldo. Even if it comes down to the possibility of him scoring a header from a corner or one of his 5 shots getting in.
I also think (obviously one can't prove it) that if some great managers had to choose one of them for their team/system, they would choose Ronaldo: SAF, Simeone, Mourinho are the ones I am thinking of. Obviously Guardiola for his system would choose Messi.
It's not that Messi can't get a result if the team is playing badly, indeed he has carried Barca on his own often enough, but it's just that in a desperate situation or for various different systems I would prefer Ronaldo.
It's similar with me preferring Koke to (even a fit) Thiago although Thiago probably is the more gifted player.
I have also always for similar reasons preferred Becks to Giggs although I like Giggsy too and Giggsy probably is the more gifted one.
Comes down to individual preference and small differences in the end as far as I am concerned.
You're right and it's the case for a lot of people without them even realizing it.
Real Madrid are scoring goals for fun whilst Messi is basically running a very poor (by their standards) Barca side on his own, yet people still think Messi only looked good because of the team built around him. Totally ignoring the fact that the Real Madrid team is completely built around Ronaldo and plays to his strengths.
mate that argument went out the window years ago. When Xavi started declining and Casper the friendly midfielder got his customary injuries Messi simply took on more of the responsibility and becoming a bigger creative force whilst banging the goals in too.
Barca are still a very good side, just not as good as they were when they were the greatest side ever a couple of years ago. Any side with Suarez, Neymar, and Messi is nothing to scoff at.
That argument was always a load of nonsense. In fact, it was always the other way around Messi made Xaci and Iniesta look better than they actually were.
It's not their front line that is the problem, it's their non-existent midfield. Today was another game that Messi had to drop back to the half way line because their midfield was so poor at creating themselves.
On the brighter side they've conceded far less than anyone.
Only because opposing strikers go into a deep sleep watching them tippy tappy round in circles for 90 minutes.
With Barca drawing 0-0 Ronaldo now has more league goals than Messi, Neymar and Suarez combined after both teams have completed this game week. This in a run where Barca didn't conceed at the start of the season for 6 or 7 games too.
Completely wrong. Ronaldo's only ever played in a counter attacking set up. Messi's been deployed in various roles for club and country in different systems and still looks leagues ahead of his team mates. If Ronaldo's not the focus of the team then he'll go unnoticed for 90 minutes, you can't say the same about Messi.
mind blogging. Ronaldo plays in counter attacking setup with Portugal? Have you ever watched us play? That's nonsense.
Funny, that's exactly how they set up against Sweden. Generally though? No, I don't watch them, and that's probably why he's flattered to decieve for too long at International level.
Actually, Sweden pretty much created the perfect opportunity for counter-attacking with one of the worst defensive set ups I have seen in recent times. I don't really understand what your statement about only ever playing in a counter-attacking set up is implying either?
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