who's said this??
Cristiano Ronaldo
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Several posters, saying that he only cares about individual glory and if you take away his goals he contributes very little. Of course, he would be joint top assister in the league...
I'd stick by the statement to be honest.
I know statistics aren't everything. You assume far too much if that is your argument.
Ronaldo contributes with goals, assists, runs, passing etc etc. The Messi fanbase neglects to mention that Messi ran less in matches last season than Valdez did. Contribution to the team seems to be a very specific thing in those arguments, and thus as a moronic dumbing down argument as I've seen. Football is about so many things. Ronaldo's play frees up a lot of space for other players, and at the same time he is able to get behind the defenders time and time again. Why do you need to dribble past them when you can run in behind them on the receiving end? Both are a joy to watch and both are hard to do right.
How does Ronaldo not contribute enough, taking his goal scoring and assists into account? Do you want him to chase attackers into his own 18 yard box like Rooney just so people can go on about his work rate? I, for one, would find that idiotic as it takes away any attacking position he might have otherwise had, like Rooney so often does. Do you want him to work as little as Messi, or to lose the ball as often as him?
You can find fault in all players, even Ronaldo and Messi. To compare them like for like is hardly going to work as they are different players and play a different style of football. Comparing them to other positions on the pitch, as I've seen others do (Modric being more influential than Ronaldo, for instance), is also slightly missing the point.
Ronaldo's contribution to the team should be hard to ignore for anyone reading stats or watching the game. He imposes himself when needs be and he scores in every match.
Even if teammates of his say that just isn't true? Even when he is joint top assister in the league? Well, you are entitled to your own belief. Even if that should be the case, why does he do that more than any other player? It's like Joey in Friends saying to Phoebe that you can't do anything that isn't selfish. You may even argue that chasing an attacker for 60 yards is selfish because deep down you know that the supporters will applaud you for it.
before calling names, look yourself in the mirror
I just did; I'm an ugly fecker. However, what was your argument again?
all I know..regardless of statistics...is that I would love him back at OT
What his team mates say is absolutely irrelevant, they'll never say a bad word against him, not while they're still with him at the club. Guti didn't mention his self obsession and anger with Messi's exploits until he left the club. Mourinho told us the sun shone out ronaldo's arse while he was Madrid coach, minute he left it was cheap digs about him only playing for himself.
The assists thing, it's practically never happened with Ronaldo before, and I doubt he'll stay up there till the end of the season so I think people need to pipe down and stop getting carried away with that. I think he's found himself in positions where there's not really an option but to pass the chance on, such is Real Madrids attacking form this season his team mates have been finishing them well and he's got his assist. But I think he's as single minded as he ever has been, I doubt that'll ever change.
Edit: Just seen on another thread you're not all that impressed with Philip Lahm, I feel like I've wasted time here. This discussion is terminated
wasnt ronaldo mad with casillas because he didnt vote for him for ballon d'or?What his team mates say is absolutely irrelevant, they'll never say a bad word against him, not while they're still with him at the club. Guti didn't mention his self obsession and anger with Messi's exploits until he left the club. Mourinho told us the sun shone out ronaldo's arse while he was Madrid coach, minute he left it was cheap digs about him only playing for himself.
The assists thing, it's practically never happened with Ronaldo before, and I doubt he'll stay up there till the end of the season so I think people need to pipe down and stop getting carried away with that. I think he's found himself in positions where there's not really an option but to pass the chance on, such is Real Madrids attacking form this season his team mates have been finishing them well and he's got his assist. But I think he's as single minded as he ever has been, I doubt that'll ever change.
Edit: Just seen on another thread you're not all that impressed with Philip Lahm, I feel like I've wasted time here. This discussion is terminated
that before you insult other posters, take a look at youself at the mirror
you are a ronaldo fanboi, and you seem outraged because messi has a fanbase
Yeah. To be honest he's the only player I've ever heard kicking up a fuss about votes for that award and the only player i've seen who's had his club and team mates formulate a little campaign for him to win it! Also the only player who's had an extension on the votes to help him secure it.
He also sneakily let one of his Portugal team mates vote him 1st, whilst he was still captain at that point
he is a team player
What his team mates say is absolutely irrelevant, they'll never say a bad word against him, not while they're still with him at the club. Guti didn't mention his self obsession and anger with Messi's exploits until he left the club. Mourinho told us the sun shone out ronaldo's arse while he was Madrid coach, minute he left it was cheap digs about him only playing for himself.
The assists thing, it's practically never happened with Ronaldo before, and I doubt he'll stay up there till the end of the season so I think people need to pipe down and stop getting carried away with that. I think he's found himself in positions where there's not really an option but to pass the chance on, such is Real Madrids attacking form this season his team mates have been finishing them well and he's got his assist. But I think he's as single minded as he ever has been, I doubt that'll ever change.
Edit: Just seen on another thread you're not all that impressed with Philip Lahm, I feel like I've wasted time here. This discussion is terminated
Those laughing smileys really are the epitome of good arguments...
Anyways. Him being selfish is probably true, just as it's true with pretty much every footballer. Being an attacker, you would expect him to be selfish. If that translates into him winning trophies for the club, then he's serving the team as well. I don't see a problem with it, and I don't see him being more selfish than any other world class attacker.
My comment about Lahm must be seen in light of me not watching him all that much. I know he's a terrific player, but I must be allowed to say that the few times I have actually seen him play, instead of just repeating what others have said, I have found him not all that great. It's the same with Ribery, whom I know has a terrific track record and reputation, but every time I've seen him, he's been underwhelming. Considering I've not seen him that often, my view on him is probably not valid, but I just state what I've seen. What is so stupid about that, mr
?There is so much piss about Ronaldo by certain posters in here it makes me wonder if he shagged your women or something. Absolutely distasteful considering he's a former United player and always talks kindly about the club. So what if he uses a little too much hair gel or he's obsessed with winning trophies, both for the club and individual glory? Do you think of Usain Bolt as a cnut for thinking that he would like some individual silverware?
Those laughing smileys really are the epitome of good arguments...
Anyways. Him being selfish is probably true, just as it's true with pretty much every footballer. Being an attacker, you would expect him to be selfish. If that translates into him winning trophies for the club, then he's serving the team as well. I don't see a problem with it, and I don't see him being more selfish than any other world class attacker.
My comment about Lahm must be seen in light of me not watching him all that much. I know he's a terrific player, but I must be allowed to say that the few times I have actually seen him play, instead of just repeating what others have said, I have found him not all that great. It's the same with Ribery, whom I know has a terrific track record and reputation, but every time I've seen him, he's been underwhelming. Considering I've not seen him that often, my view on him is probably not valid, but I just state what I've seen. What is so stupid about that, mr
Well said.
Those laughing smileys really are the epitome of good arguments...
Anyways. Him being selfish is probably true, just as it's true with pretty much every footballer. Being an attacker, you would expect him to be selfish. If that translates into him winning trophies for the club, then he's serving the team as well. I don't see a problem with it, and I don't see him being more selfish than any other world class attacker.
My comment about Lahm must be seen in light of me not watching him all that much. I know he's a terrific player, but I must be allowed to say that the few times I have actually seen him play, instead of just repeating what others have said, I have found him not all that great. It's the same with Ribery, whom I know has a terrific track record and reputation, but every time I've seen him, he's been underwhelming. Considering I've not seen him that often, my view on him is probably not valid, but I just state what I've seen. What is so stupid about that, mr
ok, i shouldnt have taken you seriously
have a nice life
Im sure a couple of fans are probably not all that pleased at some of his cnuty behaviour flirting with Madrid and his "nah im staying here" crap 24 hours before the 2009 CL final only to jet off on Holiday the next day before it was announced his Madrid move was planned all along.
He gets unfair criticism at times, but he's no angel, and when it comes to the topic of selfishness, he IS worse than the majority of big name players in my opinion, In fact I can't think of a more self obsessed player in my lifetime.
What the hell? You rather want me to say that I think Lahm and Ribery are brilliant even if I've hardly watched them play on a regular basis? That's just folly. Also, I wasn't discussing with you, but there you go.
I was actually saying that I know them to be terrific footballers, but I could still say that from the few times I've watched them, they haven't impressed me all that much?
Could you at least not try to give a hint of an argument as to why you post what you do?
That flirting with Madrid would probably get a few people up off their seats. However, he always stated he wanted to play at RM one day. Ferguson was fine with it; I'm fine with it, and quite frankly, I don't see the big ordeal about players wanting to play somewhere else? I wouldn't mind if Rooney wanted to do the same; it's just his childish antics about it that makes me a wee bit annoyed.
Of course he is no angel. In terms of being self obsessed, it's just pure speculation from either of us. I know someone told me that he talked to Solskjær, and he could say nothing but positive things about him, not only about him as a footballer, but also about him as a person. He does come off as a bit of a self-indulged person, but it doesn't mean he is, does it?
speculation? I don't think so mate. It's only my opinion, but I'm basing it on a mixture of things.
His obsession with the Ballon D'or, having a portugal team mate take his vote and vote for him, sulking at Casillas for not voting for him, criticising Madrid for not giving him the support he felt he deserved for the Ballon D'or (like it was a political rally or something). Scoring his 40th goal of the season in the final game of the season (at time a record to beat Hugo Sanchez) and celebrating it like he'd just scored the winner in the world cup final, despite them already being out the CL and having just lost the league to Barcelona.
Then there's whipping his shirt off after scoring an unimportant penalty late in extra time in the CL, looking at himself on the big screens during games, sulking away over a missed penalty after Benzema bagged the rebound, tackling Higuain and preventing him from scoring an open goal because he was so desperate to get to it first, hanging off in Portugals Euro 2012 penalty shoot out hoping he'd get the big deciding penalty against Spain, Guti effectively saying he would get visibly angry if he'd find out Messi had scored more than him, Mourinho regularly hinting he played for himself.
Like I said mate, just my opinion but that's a long list of stuff that has actually happened and for me points towards him being a very self centred and self obsessed individual, none of it's spectulation.
Nothing wrong with it though! It's probably what makes him tick and has driven him to become the best player in the world (or one of the best, if someone wants to be pedantic).
Very fair point mate. I don't doubt it's a huge part of what's driven him to become the player he is. There's a lot I don't like about Ronaldo, but I can't NOT respect his talent and his relentless drive to be the best.
Fair enough, and considering what you wrote I think that's a pretty good evaluation of him based on those things. You can probably find lots of other stuff, and similar stuff, about other players as well, but I do get what you mean.
As SirAF said, though, does it really matter when he contributes the way he does? I remember reading somewhere that Messi sulked his way into playing in the centre of attack at the expense of Ronaldinho, who left shortly thereafter. No two ways about it; you have to be pretty selfish if you want to get that far. Some appear more arrogant than others, no doubt.
No one said he doesn't do enough. He would be a better player if he was more well rounded though and capable of playmaking. It's been obvious for years. It doesn't mean he isn't fanatatic.
And reading or looking at stats doesn't do an injustice to his peformance. His performances are pretty much summed up by statustics. Sadly Ronaldo fanboish can't deal with his weaknesses and appreciate him for the great player he is
Of course he has weaknesses. There is no denying that. Watching some of Barcelona vs PSG yesterday, it's quite obvious that he doesn't have that playing style in his repertoire. He is perfectly suited to his team though...
No doubt he is. Most teams do usually ensure they suit/fit their best player the best they can and visa versa.
Exactly, which is why a comparison of him and Messi are a little off topic, most of the time. Both are at their best in the system they play in. I have no doubt that both would do well for either club, but I'm not so sure they would do as well. Ronaldo would be better if he could do some of the things Messi could do, but Messi would be better if he was more two footed and could head the ball like Ronaldo... everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. All things considered, they are on a very similar level, albeit with different attributes. Considering the last couple of season, I think Ronaldo edges it. I can understand those who prefer Messi. However, arguments such as either being far better than the other is wrong either way.
He also sneakily let one of his Portugal team mates vote him 1st, whilst he was still captain at that point
You're sure for this? It was the other way around, Mascherano voted Messi as the best player despite that Messi was captain.
I have a different opinion on their comparison and I definitely feel there's a comparison to be made. I don't see them as "different equals", but that's not for this thread.
Fair enough. I think we can agree to disagree on certain things. I see no reason in ridiculing people for one or the other. Both are terrific players and great at what they do.
Some 'know it all' posters desperately trying to prove that things other than goals and assists are more important to attackers/forwards is the most moronic thing to read here. Hilarious though...so, please keep up
Good thing you don't read back your posts then.
I'd say people who reduce everything to simply goals and assists are the morons. Where's the beauty in that?
No, I have yours to read. They are enough.
Also, no one actually said that so do try to keep up.
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