Cristiano Ronaldo

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Ronaldo's goal scoring is brilliant but his all round game is no where near as complete as Messi's game is. 2 different players and to judge them purely on goals is just stupid imo.

I see lots of people only caring about goals when it comes to comparing this player and that player it's crazy that they forget goals only make up a small part of the 90 minutes that are played and everyone forgets what happened in the game other than the goals.
 
It's also disingenuous to imply he only offers goals though. He offers a lot more than that. Messi has a better all round game but in terms of how they influence the game there's not a lot in it
 
Ibi Dreams said:
It's also disingenuous to imply he only offers goals though. He offers a lot more than that. Messi has a better all round game but in terms of how they influence the game there's not a lot in it
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I think the influence Messi has on his team is far better, he can offer a lot more than Ronaldo can in the build up play as well being a playmaker for the team when their not creating much.

One of the only recent times i seen Ronaldo do this was against Liverpool at Anfield for the first goal, he has the ability to open up defences but i dont see him doing it enough. He is more interested imo getting on the end of things. There is nothing wrong with that at all but when Messi is clearly a much bigger benefit to his team i find it hard to see how Ronaldo can be better.
 
Ibi Dreams said:
It's also disingenuous to imply he only offers goals though. He offers a lot more than that. Messi has a better all round game but in terms of how they influence the game there's not a lot in it
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yes, i guess is not the same for his partners and for his rivals to know that Ronaldo is going to play, it gives confidence to his team mates and makes the rival coach to take special consideration to what he can do

but the same can be said about messi

and as someone pointed out a few posts ago, messis game is better, ronaldos game is very efficient, though
 
Marcosdeto said:
yes, i guess is not the same for his partners and for his rivals to know that Ronaldo is going to play, it gives confidence to his team mates and makes the rival coach to take special consideration to what he can do

but the same can be said about messi

and as someone pointed out a few posts ago, messis game is better, ronaldos game is very efficient, though
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He is one of the best goalscorers i have ever seen, u are right he is very efficient in his play. If his team give him the chances most likely he will get a few goals which can be priceless.
 
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It was quite insane to see how hard the madrid team were trying to set Ronaldo up today :lol: The scoreline could have been 5/6-0 had Madrid not tried and funnel everything towards Ronaldo in the final third. It's also a shame seeing Ronnie drop his all round game to just become a full time poacher. He no longer tries anything exciting in the build up play, whether that's because of age or because of efficiency, or both, I'm not sure. He is just there for a good first touch and letting the talent around him do all the work while he has transformed himself into a literal machine of conversion up front. I'm not sure which Ronaldo I've come to love more, the player or the machine?
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/edwin-van-der-sar-picks-his-favourite-eleven

"In his first year at United he said “I want to become the best player in the world”. I said “good luck with that”. After training he’d come up and ask to take some free kicks, and I’d say “Ronny, I’m tired, get the second goalkeeper”. “No, I want you, I want to score against the best,” he said. I said “you’re not going to score against me”. I managed to stop a few but he’s very good."
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Poor PIG.
 
Ronaldo is a goal scoring machine but he doesn't offer as much in overall play as he did for us. I know he plays more upfront for Madrid but his game is definitely more about pure goal scoring now as opposed to when he played for us where he would score and create tons.

As for Messi, well if i had a choice which of them to bring to Utd next season, i'd go for Ronaldo. As good as Messi is, there is always that slight chance he wouldn't be as good here in the Prem while we already know what Ronaldo can do here.
 
Vialli_92 said:
Ronaldo's goal scoring is brilliant but his all round game is no where near as complete as Messi's game is. 2 different players and to judge them purely on goals is just stupid imo.

I see lots of people only caring about goals when it comes to comparing this player and that player it's crazy that they forget goals only make up a small part of the 90 minutes that are played and everyone forgets what happened in the game other than the goals.
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Absoloutely. Put Ronaldo in Barcelona and Messi in Real Madrid at this moment in time - Real would still be top, Barcelona would be bouncing around the Europa places. Ronaldo can't offer that same influence Messi can in and around midfield, the lack of space stifles his game, which is why he either plays out wide or as of right now a number 9. It's largely why he can score so many 'tap in's' at Real whilst Messi tends to have to fashion out most the goals himself.

Ten years down the line from now, Ronaldo will go down a footballing great. Messi's going down as perhaps the greatest. It'll be Messi/Maradona/Pele >>> The rest.
 
All this talk of how he has turned himself into a pure goalscorer who doesn't do anything to help in the build up is nonsense. It also conveniently ignores that he is on track to smash his season's assists record for Madrid:

In the past, Ronaldo's best link-up play tended to be confined to sharp one-touch moves in space, and getting a shot away always seemed to be the endgame. But under Carlo Ancelotti, Ronaldo has added more patience and variety to his passing. Those developments are easy to miss among the jaw-dropping goal figures, but his increased effectiveness when it comes to finding teammates is supported by the stats. While in the past, Ronaldo's season-long number of league assists for Real Madrid has fallen between the seven and 12 mark, he is on course to blow those numbers away this season.

In the 2014-15 La Liga season so far, Ronaldo has produced eight league assists in 12 games. As things stand, that makes him the joint-highest assist provider in the league alongside Atletico Madrid's Koke, and it dwarves Ronaldo's assist tallies for the same stage of the season in previous years with Madrid.
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http://www.espnfc.com/club/real-mad...real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-getting-better
 
Assist can be a very misleading stat. Bale, I think, put up great assist numbers in La Liga last season. I wouldn't say he was brilliant in the buildup at all though.
 
swooshboy said:
All this talk of how he has turned himself into a pure goalscorer who doesn't do anything to help in the build up is nonsense. It also conveniently ignores that he is on track to smash his season's assists record for Madrid:



http://www.espnfc.com/club/real-mad...real-madrids-cristiano-ronaldo-getting-better
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That's absolutely not the case and it never has been. I always found it odd how people called him a poacher.

But it is true that he's a complete final third player, like Bale is. In numbers you can sum up their contribution even though that contribution can be outstanding.
 
Don't see why people think setting Ronaldo up for goals is hilarious, he's practically the reason they've won anything in Spain since his arrival so when you're through to the next round why not repay him for his services? Chelsea done it for Drogba for the golden boot.
 
Trizy said:
Don't see why people think setting Ronaldo up for goals is hilarious, he's practically the reason they've won anything in Spain since his arrival so when you're through to the next round why not repay him for his services? Chelsea done it for Drogba for the golden boot.
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To be honest the big goal was the CL. And if you break the goals down, his goals weren't the ones that counted in the really big games. It was actually Ramos who really dug Madrid out.

The seasons they won the league though, yeah he was sensational. But it IS funny though, like someone said it's funny to see a team in an elite competition ruin their own attacks trying to set a specific player up for goals!
 
Snake Plissken said:
To be honest the big goal was the CL. And if you break the goals down, his goals weren't the ones that counted in the really big games. It was actually Ramos who really dug Madrid out.

The seasons they won the league though, yeah he was sensational. But it IS funny though, like someone said it's funny to see a team in an elite competition ruin their own attacks trying to set a specific player up for goals!
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Is this the "important goals" thing again? I never thought I would see the day 17 goals were written off as insignificant.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Assist can be a very misleading stat. Bale, I think, put up great assist numbers in La Liga last season. I wouldn't say he was brilliant in the buildup at all though.
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This is getting so tedious. He scores goals; he's all about goals and doesn't help his team. Show you guys stats of him assisting more than Messi and joint first in the league with Koke, and that doesn't really tell you anything either. Him scoring more goals than anyone else being remotely close to AND making all those assists tell me that he has a greater influence to his team than any other attacking player. What defenders do and midfielders do is beyond him in the sense that he doesn't play in those positions.

It's ridiculous how the Messi squadron goes about with their propaganda.
 
He's adjusting his game as he gets older. For a few seasons now they've been speculating in Spain about the state of his knee and ankle, maybe this is his way of compensating?.
He'll last a lot longer at the top playing this way rather than the marauding beast he was before. He plays a lot closer to goal nowadays so every touch around the box is an important one.
Depends on what you want from him, if your team is good enough then why not stick him up top and play to his strengths?
 
Ronaldo's build up play is lacking when you compare him to Messi. There's clearly a huge difference in quality in that regard.

Compare him to most other players though and his build up play holds up well.
 
It's equal ridiculous when people who have an attachment to Ronaldo like to gloss over details of his game and keep analysis of his stats to a bare minimum. For years they've complained when anyone dare mention his penalty numbers, attempts at goal, his free kick success etc etc.

Naturally people like me will just bring it up for a wind up, but sometimes people make genuinely good points and get shot down or accused of being Messi fanboys or whatever.

I think the CL goals thing is very relevant. It's a ridiculously impressive number of goals, just saying he wasn;t the one who propelled them in the most important games.

Is Messi's highest tally 13 or 14? because regardless the season he produced that tally wasn't even close to his most impressive CL campaign imo.
 
Rossa said:
This is getting so tedious. He scores goals; he's all about goals and doesn't help his team. Show you guys stats of him assisting more than Messi and joint first in the league with Koke, and that doesn't really tell you anything either. Him scoring more goals than anyone else being remotely close to AND making all those assists tell me that he has a greater influence to his team than any other attacking player. What defenders do and midfielders do is beyond him in the sense that he doesn't play in those positions.

It's ridiculous how the Messi squadron goes about with their propaganda.
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Statistics aren't everything. If you watch the game with eyes wide open you'd know that. Reducing the game just to statistics and that too just goals and assists is a sort of moronic dumbing down we're seeing off late here.
 
akash02 said:
Ronaldo's build up play is lacking when you compare him to Messi. There's clearly a huge difference in quality in that regard.

Compare him to most other players though and his build up play holds up well.
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Most out and out attackers, yes. For a guy who scores so many goals there's nothing wrong with his all round game.

Snake Plissken said:
It's equal ridiculous when people who have an attachment to Ronaldo like to gloss over details of his game and keep analysis of his stats to a bare minimum. For years they've complained when anyone dare mention his penalty numbers, attempts at goal, his free kick success etc etc.

Naturally people like me will just bring it up for a wind up, but sometimes people make genuinely good points and get shot down or accused of being Messi fanboys or whatever.

I think the CL goals thing is very relevant. It's a ridiculously impressive number of goals, just saying he wasn;t the one who propelled them in the most important games.

Is Messi's highest tally 13 or 14? because regardless the season he produced that tally wasn't even close to his most impressive CL campaign imo.
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I'd say post sets of the agenda posters are guilty of over simplification. They'll use stats that suit them in either bigging up their favorite or bringing down the other.
 
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