Cristiano Ronaldo

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Skorenzy said:
Yeah Cristiano was easily your best non-DF player tonight. The cross for Nani was actually not such a good instance to use as example though, he took the wrong option there IMO, there was a player coming in completely unmarked at the far post that would've been a lot easier to convert than from Nani's situation.
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Yeah he had another player unmarked but i´m talking about the technical gesture of the cross. At least that has been the opinion of the portuguese pundits. With a decent striker, he would have probably scored that chance (Nani´s heading isn´t his best asset).

Skorenzy said:
Quaresma also looks somewhat reborn since moving back to Portugal (although I'm only basing this on his EL performances of last season and seeing flashes of him like tonight).
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Yeah...no. Quaresma is still too inconsistent and is struggling under Lopetegui. He was decisive tonight but that´s the usual with Quaresma. He will probably be back to being booed by Porto supporters when he makes a string of bad decisions. Last season he was full of steam but this year under Lopetegui he has played some matches, others has been on the bench or not been called up at all. Disciplinary problems it seems.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Not to mention that, even without him in our squad, United's record domestically and in the CL was better than Madrid's for the majority of his career in Spain to date.

If he really did leave to "elevate himself to a bigger platform", hindsight has proven that to be a bad decision. I don't think he did. He left for a massive pay-cheque and better weather. Which is fair enough but let's not dress his motivations up into something they weren't.
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2mufc0 said:
Agree with this we have won a lot more trophies than Madrid since he went there.
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What?

And as for the pay-cheque and weather comment, is that the only real attraction about Real Madrid? If so then that is all a lot of the Ballon D'or winners of the last 15 years or so as well as players that have performed very well at the big international tournaments seem to be interested in. Was Bale only interested in the weather and a big paycheck too? Personally I would like to think that great players have other things on their mind than only the weather and money. Or is it that every player that leaves United is only interested in money?
 
Skorenzy said:
Not my intention to derail this thread, but thought this warranted a quick reply...

Pre-Guardiola: finished 3rd (2007) and 2nd (2008) in the BdO, twice 2nd (2007 & 2008) in the FIFA WPOTY, won Young Player of the Tournament in the 2007 Copa América, was included in the ESM Team of the Year for 2005-06 (!) and 2007-08 and won Don Balón's Best Foreign Player in La Liga for 2006-07. Had worked up his way to becoming a starter for what would turn out to be Barça's CL-winning campaign in 05/06 until he got injured v Chelsea. Scored his Maradona replica goal v Getafe and a hat-trick in the Clásico within a month of each other back in 2007. All this while suffering 3 major injuries in 2 years.

Some sidelines.
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Yea which proved my point, he was always picking up injurys, you even said it yourself so why the need to bring up facts that all he had won, he would show flashes of brilliance. But you compare pre guadiola messi, to the one from 2008 onwards was a different player all together.
 
Raul Madrid said:
Was Bale only interested in the weather and a big paycheck too? Personally I would like to think that great players have other things on their mind than only the weather and money. Or is it that every player that leaves United is only interested in money?
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What about Bale? I don't think anyone else was willing to pay 100 million for him then and even now.
 
Dumat12 said:
What about Bale? I don't think anyone else was willing to pay 100 million for him then and even now.
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Surely as a Welshman he would not want to leave mainly for the weather is my point. He wanted to play for Madrid for football reasons and the weather factor surely cannot be seen as one of the main reasons in this case.

And even though this has nothing to do with my point, it was said that there was another club who in the end were willing to pay the same money as Madrid for Bale.
 
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amolbhatia100 said: ↑
You're looking too hard. They're bigger in Spain, Portugal etc. United are bigger in Britain, Asia etc. It's all there is to it.

united_99 said:
They are also much bigger in South America, the continent where most of the best footballers are / have been from. Most of those want to go to RM and then Barca.
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United are bigger in the US as well. Most of the top Premiership clubs have a bigger following over the other top clubs in Germany, Italy, and Spain. Barca and Real are big over here but I find Arsenal, United, and Chelsea have the bigger following (Bayern have a big following too).
 
Raul Madrid said:
Surely as a Welshman he would not want to leave mainly for the weather is my point. He wanted to play for Madrid for football reasons and the weather factor surely cannot be seen as one of the main reasons in this case.

And even though this has nothing to do with my point, it was said that there was another club who in the end were willing to pay the same money as Madrid for Bale.
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I think he want to join Real just because Ronaldo is there.
 
Raul Madrid said:
What?
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Up until the season just gone Madrid had won a single domestic league title since Ronaldo joined them. I'm fairly sure they hadn't even made a CL semi-final, over that same period of time.

United, on the other hand, won two league titles and made the CL final without him. If we'd had him in our side you can bet your arse that record would have been even better
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Up until the season just gone Madrid had won a single domestic league title since Ronaldo joined them. I'm fairly sure they hadn't even made a CL semi-final, over that same period of time.

United, on the other hand, won two league titles and made the CL final without him. If we'd had him in our side you can bet your arse that record would have been even better
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They made semi-finals in all but one season since he went there. Lost to Barcelona, Bayern and Dortmund in three consecutive semis while Mourinho was there.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
My bad. One final to nil, so.
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To be fair they were unlucky to have been drawn against Bayern and Barcelona these two times, should have been good enough to beat Dortmund though despite Lewandowski's performance. Then again when you look at the list of clubs they had to beat to make semis in these seasons it's absurd - they had Galatasaray and APOEL on their way to a semi in 2013, with a bit of luck or even without it I think West Brom would have made a semi under these circumstances. I know you can only beat what's in front of you but there has been some serious lack of quality on their paths to these semis.
 
Just on the United-Madrid 5 season comparison

United have won 2 Leagues. Real Madrid have won 1.
United have won a League Cup. Real Madrid have won 2 Copa Del Reys.
United have been CL runners up. Real Madrid have been CL winners.

In Europe:
United - QF, Finalists, Group, R16, QF
Madrid - R16, SF, SF, SF, Winners
 
Do people not know the rules on Ronaldo v Messi by now?

there's a dedicated vs. thread somewhere, this is a thread for Ronaldo, not endless comparisons to Messi, keep it out or I'll thread ban people.
 
jojojo said:
Just on the United-Madrid 5 season comparison

United have won 2 Leagues. Real Madrid have won 1.
United have won a League Cup. Real Madrid have won 2 Copa Del Reys.
United have been CL runners up. Real Madrid have been CL winners.

In Europe:
United - QF, Finalists, Group, R16, QF
Madrid - R16, SF, SF, SF, Winners
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That's why I carefully worded my original post as follows; "United's record domestically and in the CL was better than Madrid's for the majority of his career in Spain to date."

Last season obviously belatedly vindicated his decision to feck off to Madrid but it was a long time coming. Which was the main point I was making.

Another point which still stands is the likelihood that United's trophy haul would have almost certainly been a lot better (and Madrid's a lot worse) had he stayed put.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Another point which still stands is the likelihood that United's trophy haul would have almost certainly been a lot better (and Madrid's a lot worse) had he stayed put.
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Absolutely, but that's only in hindsight really, isn't it? Remember we were completely battered by that Barca side in the final, and Real also bought Alonso, Kaka and Benzema (all of whom were massively rated). Clearly everyone thought that they'd be more likely to deal with that Barca side than us, in the end it just wasn't the case, despite their great squad, and we still somehow continued to win under SAF despite our clearly declining squad. Almost ironic in a way.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
My bad. One final to nil, so.
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Im not sure there is a point comparing domestic trophies as Madrid and United play in different leagues, especially seeing as Madrid are up against one of the best teams in the world in Barcelona (and Atletico last season) and United are up against either City or Chelsea. Madrid have definitely done better in the CL since then getting to at least the semi-final apart from Ronaldo's first year. Three semis and a final is definitely better than a final, the group stage, last 16 and the quarters. Despite not really wanting to talk about domestic trophies, there is also the two Spanish cups that Madrid won. I wouldn't normally include them but we had to beat Atletico and Barcelona to win them so I think that they would deserve some sort of mention if that was the case.
 
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Raul Madrid said:
Im not sure there is a point comparing domestic trophies as Madrid and United play in different leagues, especially seeing as Madrid are up against one of the best teams in the world in Barcelona (and Atletico last season) and United are up against either City or Chelsea. Madrid have definitely done better in the CL since then getting to at least the semi-final apart from Ronaldo's first year. Despite not really wanting to talk about domestic trophies, there is also the two Spanish cups that Madrid won. I wouldn't normally include them but we had to beat Atletico and Barcelona to win them so I think that they would deserve some sort of mention if that was the case.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.

Madrid are up against just one team with decent financial resources. United have been competing against two clubs that have even more money to spend than Barca and at least two or three other clubs that comfortably out-spend every club in Spain apart from Barcelona (by a huge margin)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That doesn't make any sense at all.

Madrid are up against just one team with decent financial resources. United have been competing against two clubs that have even more money to spend than Barca and at least two or three other clubs that comfortably out-spend every club in Spain apart from Barcelona (by a huge margin)
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Of course it makes sense. Are you trying to say that Chelsea and City are better than Barca? So what if they have more money than Barca, Barca still can attract much better players than them and have much, much better players than them (one of the top 3-4 players ever in Messi and the bulk of the Spain national team, the most dominant national team of the last few years and one of the best ever). Barcelona spend a lot of money also by the way and have one of the highest wage bills. How many leagues do you think United would have won over the years if they were in la liga over the last 6 seasons? (ie since Pep took over). Its much harder to compete and win a title race with the best team in the world (and one of the best in history) than against two good teams that are up and down and on occasion go out in the CL groups (in City's case most occasions).
 
amolbhatia100 said:
You're looking too hard. They're bigger in Spain, Portugal etc. United are bigger in Britain, Asia etc. It's all there is to it.
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In Portugal? English Premier League games have a bigger following and the fact that BenficaTV went for the Premier League games in TV rights battle proves that. But to be truthful there isn´t the typical scandinavian way of supporting two clubs (usually a local one and an english club) mentality in Portugal. People root for either Sporting, Benfica, Porto, Braga or Guimarães and devote their entire attention to a single club. Our football league has a decent level, i don´t really understand why people would choose to root for United or Real Madrid. And thankfully that doesn´t happen.
 
RedRonaldo said:
I think he want to join Real just because Ronaldo is there.
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So nothing to do with being able to compete for trophies and being able to cement his name alongside Zidane, Figo Brazilian Ronaldo etc, he just wanted to play with Ronaldo? I would certainly hope that there is more to a footballers mind-set than just something like that. There is every chance that Ronaldo could leave sometime and I am sure that Bale was aware of this when he was signed to his long-term deal. I would like to think that he is his own man and can make decisions on what is best for him and his career and not go chasing after Ronaldo.
 
Raul Madrid said:
So nothing to do with being able to compete for trophies and being able to cement his name alongside Zidane, Figo Brazilian Ronaldo etc, he just wanted to play with Ronaldo? I would certainly hope that there is more to a footballers mind-set than just something like that. There is every chance that Ronaldo could leave sometime and I am sure that Bale was aware of this when he was signed to his long-term deal. I would like to think that he is his own man and can make decisions on what is best for him and his career and not go chasing after Ronaldo.
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Raul Madrid said:
Of course it makes sense. Are you trying to say that Chelsea and City are better than Barca? So what if they have more money than Barca, Barca still can attract much better players than them and have much, much better players than them (one of the top 3-4 players ever in Messi and the bulk of the Spain national team, the most dominant national team of the last few years and one of the best ever). Barcelona spend a lot of money also by the way and have one of the highest wage bills. How many leagues do you think United would have won over the years if they were in la liga over the last 6 seasons? (ie since Pep took over). Its much harder to compete and win a title race with the best team in the world (and one of the best in history) than against two good teams that are up and down and on occasion go out in the CL groups (in City's case most occasions).
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Spot on, it's naive to compare Chelsea and City with Barca circa 09/12, i.e. with one of the best teams ever.
 
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His leap/hang-time is absurd... look at when he jumps compared to the blokes around him... incredible stuff.
 
jojojo said:
Just on the United-Madrid 5 season comparison

United have won 2 Leagues. Real Madrid have won 1.
United have won a League Cup. Real Madrid have won 2 Copa Del Reys.
United have been CL runners up. Real Madrid have been CL winners.

In Europe:
United - QF, Finalists, Group, R16, QF
Madrid - R16, SF, SF, SF, Winners
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Which means hadn't he left, United would definitely have done better:devil:
 
Oneunited26 said:
The excuse by some United fans a few things

1 He was honest about, as he never wanted to stay here long term, rooney did And he went back on his word

2 Ronaldo never wanted to join Man city and Chelsea, Rooney did. But only Madrid, which makes him lesser of the 2 evils
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Ronaldo stayed at Manchester United and is now captain. The PR show his agent made to get him a better contract is irrelevant now.

SteveJ said:
There were personal as well as cultural reasons why Ronaldo wanted to go abroad, so I'm not sure that makes us 'a smaller club'. However, I believe that is how Cristiano views us in comparison with Real. In a manner of speaking, maybe he has all the affection - and patronisation - towards United that a smalltown boy has for his 'home' once he's settled in the big, glamorous city. He misses us, but not enough to make him regret moving into what he sees as the big time.
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Also, don1t forget he makes more money at Madrid now.
 
Raul Madrid said:
Of course it makes sense. Are you trying to say that Chelsea and City are better than Barca? So what if they have more money than Barca, Barca still can attract much better players than them and have much, much better players than them (one of the top 3-4 players ever in Messi and the bulk of the Spain national team, the most dominant national team of the last few years and one of the best ever). Barcelona spend a lot of money also by the way and have one of the highest wage bills. How many leagues do you think United would have won over the years if they were in la liga over the last 6 seasons? (ie since Pep took over). Its much harder to compete and win a title race with the best team in the world (and one of the best in history) than against two good teams that are up and down and on occasion go out in the CL groups (in City's case most occasions).
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:lol:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Looks like a straightforward OG in that clip. Presumably you see Ronaldo get a touch in replays from a different angle?
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Haven't seen a different angle, neither in the live broadcast when I was watching or in highlights since, but I do think he gets a touch on it. UEFA awarded it to him either way.
 
Sly said:
Speaking of strikers (a bit of off topic), i was reading this on "A Bola" website and apparently highly rated Porto youth rank striker André Silva (second best top scorer in the recent Euro U19 tournament) is going to join one of the big clubs in England. Wonder which club is it. He´s a very interesting player.

http://www.abola.pt/nnh/ver.aspx?id=506668
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I see there is another article on that page linking Neves with Juve, would Porto really sell two young prospects so early? I also couldn't find much on Andre Silva, what type of striker is he?
 
Devil may care said:
I see there is another article on that page linking Neves with Juve, would Porto really sell two young prospects so early? I also couldn't find much on Andre Silva, what type of striker is he?
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André Silva will leave on free. Porto wanted to renew but he didn´t. He´s the type of mobile, highly skilled striker with good finishing. Surprised Porto couldn´t renew with him and "let" him leave for free. He´s one of the few decent (if not the only) striker prospect in our national team youth rank. Ruben Neves is attracting interest from Juventus and Milan but i doubt Porto will sell him. They drive a hard bargain with their south american imports, i can´t even imagine what they will ask for their first decent youth rank player in years.
 
jojojo said:
Just on the United-Madrid 5 season comparison

United have won 2 Leagues. Real Madrid have won 1.
United have won a League Cup. Real Madrid have won 2 Copa Del Reys.
United have been CL runners up. Real Madrid have been CL winners.

In Europe:
United - QF, Finalists, Group, R16, QF
Madrid - R16, SF, SF, SF, Winners
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Hey... you're forgetting about our CS wins... ;)
 
For the delight of the eternal Ronaldo vs Messi thread participants, our FA has confirmed that there will be a Portugal vs Argentina match at Old Trafford, Manchester. The game will be played in the 18th of November. Good news for United fans. Ronaldo, Di Maria, Rojo, Nani and of course Messi on the pitch (no Bébé sorry, he can´t get a game for Benfica). Should be a good match.

http://www.fpf.pt/Notícias/Notícia/...elecao-A-Portugal---Argentina-em-Old-Trafford
 
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