It was dead already, I swear.Ahh, didn't know this. The german loving basque Nazi cnut!alonso was accused of not paying his taxes too
and i'm not butthurted, i'm butt stretched
still love you in a homo way
See, it's not only the sudacas I hate.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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It was dead already, I swear.See, it's not only the sudacas I hate.
Casillas and David Villa were investigated too. Dunno whether anything was found, or if it's still ongoing, but a lot of players in Spain have been involved in similar schemes. Possibly Valdés too from memory?
Last goal in RM's 6-1 win over Gala last year of the top of my head. Deluded, please name the 'plenty' better dribblers. I'd like to know.
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Feels like the only time he has been injured in his career was that brief period around the world cup this year.
Oh right I didn't think we were just going to name instances to make the discussion retarded. Ruud vs Fulham. Genius at dribbling.
Ronaldo is a fairly good dribbler obviously. He's just no messi at it. I don't know why you're arguing against this despite it being so fricking obvious.
You'd like to know? Off the top of my head Robben, Ribery, suarez, and iniesta have been better dribblers just in recent times. Messi is far better at it than any of them. I don't know why this is hard for you to to accept. Being a huge fan of a player must make one lose sight of logic and reason.
No. I dont want him here either.
I would certainly take Ronaldo now, but it really is last orders. No semi-retirement plan at United.
I definitely do. He's a distance better than any other footballer I've seen. He's got the best bits of many many top players and then some.
And I've actually spent a lot of time discrediting the Argentine in this and other debates in the past. But now I'm over that silly bias, I know that Messi at his best is probably the best sportsman I've seen and comfortably the best footballer I've seen. I mean his passing over the years is ridiculous. Add that to his video game cheat dribbling and goalscoring feats, and it's just plain silly how good this guy has been.
I really like Ronaldo. I'll always be fond of him after his time with us. I've always wanted him to do very well and admired his work ethic. It's just I don't think he's that level of player as Messi has been. Cracking cracking player, though. Will go down as a great of the game indeed. Shedthered thinking Henry was better is just
You may be a bit slow in recognizing players. Personally, two years ago I was where you are now, i.e. I thought that Messi is so much better than Ronaldo that the debate is a bit silly. As a matter of fact, I still think that Messi at his peak is the best footballer ever. However, Ronaldo has managed to impress me over the last 18 months big time. His consistency at having 50+ seasons is absolutely astonishing. 4 seasons in a row with 50+ golas is absolutely unprecedented in the history of good leagues, now he is on the way of his 5th consecutive 50+ season and looks stronger than ever. Even though he's 2 years older than Messi, he looks as if he's 5 years younger in terms of movement, speed, power, hunger, etc. Given the steady advance of sport medicine and Ronaldo's professionalism and hunger, he will last several seasons longer than Messi at the top level, barring bad injuries.
To be fair, I stated he has done some ridiculous dribbling. And you replied stating he hasnt, even though from your reply it seems liked you agreed on that by drafting a video of that amazing ruud goal to counter it. So I'm slightly confused to why you somewhat contradicted yourself, and why you then went on to compare Messi and Ronaldo in terms of dribbling.
I simply wanted to get the point across that Ronaldo is more than capable of these things, even though its not his biggest quality. Messi is a small agile pacey dribbler, Ronaldo is a tall powerful burst winger. Of course they each have their own areas they are better in, they dont play in the same manner.
Yes I'm a huge Ronaldo fan, I grew up watching him like a lot of fans on here. I dont let that cloud my judgement. But you saying Messi is leagues apart from him seems like you do.
(Id also disagree with suarez/ribery, but im obviously losing my sight of reason)
That's an incredibly misleading way of putting it though... The main reason why it's unprecedented to consistently score 50+ club goals in a season is that past goalscoring greats rarely played more than 40-45 club games in a single season (compared to Messi & Cristiano nowadays easily playing 50-55 per season), let alone several seasons in a row. The far more impressive part is that he's scoring at a consistent 1.00+ gpg rate, not so much the absolute amount of goals in itself IMO.
Hazard, Robben, Ribery, Iniesta, Silva, Messi, Neymar, Suarez etc.
Ronaldo's similar to Bale (or the other way around) in that they need a bit more space to beat their markers with sheer pace. In tight areas they aren't quite as effective.
And the funny thing is, this whole Messi vs Ronaldo was generated by their 'fans'! The two might not be friends, but they definitely respect the other and the competition that the other gives them!
This whole who's better was created by the fans, and I still really doubt either really gives two shits about who's better.
Actually, Ronaldo might care a bit.
This whole who's better was created by the fans, and I still really doubt either really gives two shits about who's better.
Actually, Ronaldo might care a bit.
Yes, all of those players are 100% better than Ronaldo when it comes to dribbling in tight spaces.
But, isn't that just a form of dribbling? Running at defenders and beating them is still a form of dribbling, no?
not really
I was biased against Messi due to our CL spankings. Loads here are still are I reckon.
I think there's nothing in their consistency levels. Messi has just faced a few injuries and illness issues. Still, I've never seen Ronaldo perform at the levels I have seen Messi do because I simply dont think he's talented enough. Messi's a freakish talent who does things on a football pitch others can only dream off. At his best you can't get close to him. He'll score sure he will. But he'll also run past your defenders at will.
The only time when I thought Ronaldo matched or bettered him over the last 5 years was last season when Messi faced injuries. Otherwise I'd rather have Messi any day of the week. Unlike Ronaldo, he can both be a goalscoring phenom and he can be a creative genius, and playmake. That's the fundamental (and huge) difference. Whether Ronaldo goes on to have more time at the top level remains to be seen. This season Messi has been pretty brilliant as well. As long as he's fit and healthy, he'll remain the best footballer I've seen by a distance I reckon. And this despote me thinking Ronaldo is outstanding too.
No, ta.
Unlike you I am a fan of neither. Nothing wrong with being a fan of course.
The whole dribbling debate started when someone claimed that they can't be compared when it comes to dribbling. I called that out as the rubbish it was because one is clearly better at it. I'm not sure why so many posters have tried to refute that. Not you directly, but it shows fanboism very clearly if you cant accept even this one pretty obvious fact
There is a Messi thread. There is a Ronaldo thread. There is a Messi vs Ronaldo thread. Why is it so hard to post inside the relevant threads?
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It's drivel like this.
yes, lets not compare dribbling, lets just stick to heading, were ronaldo is better
You can't compare their heading. Ronaldo must be like a whole inch taller.
anyway, is matherto, he donated his brain many moons ago
This is a fair point to an extent. But it fails to take into account that playing more games brings with itself more injuries, fatigue, both physical and mental, etc. It's one thing to score 25 goals over 20 games, it's another thing to score 40 goals over 35 games and it is still another thing to score 55 goals over 50 games. The level of difficulty in these cases is quite different. To conclude from the fact that a given player would consistently score 50+ goals a season because he scored in the past 40 goals in 35 games would be quite hypothetical. To put it otherwise, to maintain a 1.00+ gpg rate over 35 games is one thing, to do it over 50 games is a very different thing. Ronaldo's being truly unique in that respect. Part of the reason why Messi lost form last season was that he played too many games and thus became injury prone again. As good as Messi is, he couldn't have so many concecutive 50+ seasons. His body wouldn't be able to handle the pressure to perform for so long at the highest level.
Messi can do everything Ronaldo can and a lot more besides and he can do all that a hell of a lot more elegantly. And that's not an insult to Ronaldo. The fact that he's even compared to Messi is a compliment to his ability.
Agree with that.
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He aint coming back anytime soon. With his colossal ego, and being so close he'll not be leaving there without their all time goalscoring record.
And even at his rate of goalscoring he'll need this season and half of next.
He sees Madrid as a step up from us. He won't make the step down till his level drops I reckon. Neither will Madrid sell him until feel they don't need him.
You're right about the accumulation of games taking a higher toll, but then I'm not comparing it to some one-season wonder, but to players who scored at a rate of around 1.00 gpg for at least 4-5 seasons in a row (just playing 5-10 games less each season), the likes of Pelé, Gerd Müller, Puskás, etc. On a related note: these players used to play loads of club friendlies in a season as well by the way... for example in 1959 Pelé featured in 43 official club games (scoring 53 goals), but he also played 40 (!!) friendlies that year (scoring 47 goals in them).
His 06-07 game touch compilations are some of the longest around. He (and the whole team) were great in this match. I was there that day, we were brilliant but Vidic got injured for what looked like the season and then Blackburn sucker punched us. Atmosphere was amazing though and once Scholes took the initiative to get us back level we were incredible.
Ronaldo was bloody majestic to watch in 06-07. Actually wondered if I was exaggerating him back then as the guy who ran at players at will but he really did and pretty much always beat them. Always involved too. What a season that was for entertainment.
Can't believe how small and weedy he looked back then. Compare him to now and he looks bigger than most players in La Liga.
The whole of Old Trafford wanted him dead by half time that day. Not only was he having an absolute worldie in net but was taking forever and a day to release the ball or take goal kicks/free kicks. Cnut.
Watching that I'd say Ronaldo very clearly is a level below the best dribblers around, and that for me was him at his dribbling best. The only time he actually beats more than one man is when he stumbles into the box after a scramble on the edge of the area at ~8.30. The rest of the time it's him running at a player, checking back and engineering a bit of space with a bit of fancy footwork. There's very few occasions where he picks the ball up, faces his man, takes it past hi, and drives at the heart of the defence. You could probably count on one hand the number of times he beats a man and makes genuine progress up the pitch.
I say that as someone who was saying for years that Ronaldo in 06/07 was him at his best but after watching a couple of games of his in his early career for Portugal and games like that for United, I've definitely come to the conclusion that I was peddling a myth there. Ronaldo's no fool. He cut down on the dribbling and focused more on scoring because that was the way to maximise his abilities. His dribbling is a level below his touch, shooting, finishing, anticipation etc. so he adapted his game to suit his strengths.
I'm pretty sure he's scored more hat tricks in these 2 months than in his whole United career. Now that is impressive.
Yeah his dribbling definitely isn't as good as it used to be and even then, was a notch below the best dribblers, or at least just isn't the best technique wise. Players like Hazard, Messi, Iniesta, Di Maria are technically brilliant and go past players at will whether its in a tight spot or while running with the ball. Ronaldo and Bale need to be running at pace to be at their most effective as they aren't great at just pure dribbling or however you want to call it.
There's a common denominator linking all of these players together as to why they are the best at dribbling: their height. Di Maria is a little under 6ft so he is a slight exception, but having a lower centre of gravity helps massively for the other 3.
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