I think Messi is a truly exceptional player and I don't know who is better, I avoid the debate because I would choose both in my team. But it seems talking about Messi's growth deficiency is an attempt to make him look bad, it seems as though it should be completely ignored and never discussed, to me it appears as though you think people should never speak of it if you think it's the perfect excuse to make him look bad.
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I think Messi is a truly exceptional player and I don't know who is better, I avoid the debate because I would choose both in my team. But it seems talking about Messi's growth deficiency is an attempt to make him look bad, it seems as though it should be completely ignored and never discussed, to me it appears as though you think people should never speak of it if you think it's the perfect excuse to make him look bad.
yeah, another genius that found out what fergie -lost two cl finals against messi- mourinho -hates messi's guts- and FIFA hadnt, messi is a dopey
give Empire the Nobel Price!!!
What antics do you speak of? His antics of becoming top goalscorer in CL history and madrid history? His antics of scoring more goals than playing games?
This thread does seem to be full rubbish being spouted to make messi look bad and Ronaldo great. It's a thread where people are claiming they are "incomparable" as dribblers ffs
It's not really an issue is it? Plenty of professional footballers needed medical treatment when they were younger. Messi had hormone treatment, Cristiano had heart surgery...
Just the other day he dived like a proper cu.t. That's just one of his antics.
Are you actually this thick or are you playing "I've got Ronaldo up my bum" again?
Someone not wanting Ronaldo back seems to bother you greatly.
This thread does seem to be full rubbish being spouted to make messi look bad and Ronaldo great. It's a thread where people are claiming they are "incomparable" as dribblers ffs
They should ban Messi talk in the thread and have one specifically for Messi vs Ronaldo although god knows how that will go down.
The talk has always been crazy because you would pick both in your current best 11, how could you possibly determine which one is better. Football is a team game, it really does not matter.
My point was that there is more to the game than dribbling. You said that Messi matched Ronaldo's stats - Ronaldo matches Messi's...
He isn't really, the only difference is that he started the season scoring off the bat unlike most previous seasons where he was usually a "slow" starter. His 1st half v Atlético and the game v Athletic were among his best performances this calendar year IMO, very team-oriented, creating chances for his team mates, while still taking plenty of shots himself. But in most other games it was business as usual, nothing extraordinary. With regards to the FIFA BdO, it's almost farcical for Messi and Cristiano to still be dominating it these past 2 years where the rest of the pack have gained a lot of terrain on them... nowadays it's almost a straight-up popularity contest based on media/fan hype about stats and records and other hyperbolic crap that nobody cared about a decade ago, just look at the Best Player in Europe award which mostly uses the criteria of the original BdO for a much more nuanced and representative picture IMO.
Nevertheless, I do agree that it's incredibly impressive the way Cristiano has managed to turn it around since 2012 (especially his absurd consistency in the CL since then is a defining factor) and it does tell you a lot about his character and professional ethic as a competitor.
Diving? If you speak about divers we have quite a few on our team. Rooney is a horrible diver for starters.
I'm wondering what the reasoning behind it is. Because it makes absolutely no sense.
What a ridiculous reply.
Not so horrible as Ronaldo though.
He takes it to a completely another level.
Dribbling in terms of style is a matter of choice of course but one is simply better at it than the other.
There are quite a few sensible reasons for not signing Ronaldo back.
Pros and cons.
There's lots to the game. One thing isn't the game, not even scoring. Defending is also relevant. General point.
Ronaldo doesn't though. Over the years his creativity isn't even close. I doubt he keeps up with messi in terms of chances created, assists, key passes etc. Forget the fact that he isn't a playmaker and huge part of the buildup either like messi. The comparison is pointless as it always ends in nothingness over here so I'm not going to co inter on this one.
I'm not specifically calling those penalties dubious, I'm calling the high ratio of penalties (in this case in RM's favour in this fixture) "almost dubious"... Since the start of 2011-12 season there have been 13 Madrid derbies, the penalty count: 7-0 in favour of RM... that's a little over a penalty every other game, which seems disproportionately high. The same way the amount of sending offs in Barça's favour in UCL knock-out games in recent years could be described as "almost dubious", regardless of whether they actually were legit or not.
Anyway, my main point was to illustrate that Cristiano didn't exactly "used to score for fun against them [Atlético]"... 7 non-penalty goals in 17 appearances against them is very meagre considering his overall RM record -- notwithstanding that he often actually plays very well against them (most recently even, in the 1st half of the previous derby where he tore his marker to shreds, creating several great chances for his team mates and eventually winning a legit penalty himself).
Penalties are a significant and valuable part of his skill set, though.
unlike yours, that's full of well founded opinions
Well it's possible for someone to not like Ronaldo. He's not exactly the most loved footballer. I remember defending him a lot earlier. He used to annoy a lot of our fans forget other teams ones, with his antics and complaining and tantrums on the pitch. It didn't bother me personally but it did to others which is fine imo.
Also, he'd cost shitloads and he's almost 30. I don't have an issue with his antics, have always had a soft spot for him but still am not sure if I'd go for him if I was LVG.
I'm kind of meh towards Slave Boy, he was good for United for a while, is United fans still creaming about him what really gets me.
Why do you hate United fans?
Aye. I'm not his biggest fan, but the way he never settled for 2nd best and kept on pushing is remarkably inspiring.
Poor reading skills.
do you understand that ronaldo wanted to leave us? that he always said that he wanted to play for real madrid? that even though we where the team that taught him al he knows, he didnt love us back?
Messi took hormones to help him get through adolescence like a normal person, it had nothing to do with performance, strength, speed or football ability.
He was absolutely brilliant for us. Good for awhile isn't a good summary of his time with us.
He knows what I mean, those specific United fans.
If they love Ronaldo then let them, people love Messi but I don't see that poster balancing it out in his response to Messi fans who can be equally as bad.
He doesn't hate the fans. He hates the "creaming".
Anyway I think United fans being fond of Ronaldo is natural. He was fantastic for us. I only take issue when it makes people say moronic things and hold moronic opinions.
You obviously don't watch Ronaldo on a consistent basis then. He hardly ever dives now. As much as fat Rooney, i'd say.
Athletes also take HGH to enhance performance. I accept completely Messi took them for the right reasons and that alone, I'm merely stating the link between that and performance enhancement is still debated.
The genetic lottery is a part of being human and football is played by human beings. I am not trying to discredit Messi in the sense he is incredible and I'm not saying Ronaldo is better than him but merely pointed out that everybody has problems but Messi had fortunately for him a problem with an obvious solution.
I don't separate being a human being from being a football player because there is a link between the two.
Yeah, hardly... Last time he dived was Ludogorets last week but carry on. I guess the one who doesnt watch him enough is you. Or you love him so much you dont notice his diving?
Ronaldo fan boy slating Rooney shocker.
What a weird post.
Ronaldo once took medication for a cold. That's crossing the line imo.
He left, I'm over it. He plays for Real Madrid and I watch him as a Madrid player, I judge him as such. I'm not going to hate on him because he left United, he and both Messi are amazing players, I'm not going to criticise Ronaldo and big up Messi just because Ronaldo left united.
And before the Ludogrets game? Exactly.
And Ronaldo was a far better servant than us than Rooney will ever be. I know that infuriates you. At least Ronaldo was straight up from day one. Rooney held us hostage on many occasions and dragged the name of the club through mud. All that whilst being a pretty poor footballer compared to Cristiano.
It is not outlandish to suggest that Human Growth Hormone has been taken by athletes in order to enhance their performances. Severeal top athletes have utilized it.
DISCLAIMER: I am not saying that Messi gained any, unfair, advantage whatsoever.
First bold: In what way? Neither are/were United fans beyond playing for them. Both did what they were paid for. Ronaldo had more personal, self-motivated ambition. That's about it.
Second bold: Well, that's not true.
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