Cristiano Ronaldo

[adexkola]

In my opinion that what puts the best aside. Also the vision, Messi has a more clear vision of the game, a bigger understanding, that's why he's slowly becoming a playmaker.

In my opinion that is a myopic way of looking at the game. That a defender or midfielder or keeper cannot be considered as one of the best... is stupid. And insulting.

Barcelona, Athletico, Valencia from Liga. They have no difficult opponents in CL group so will have to wait until the knockouts to see that.

Is this how you rate all players, past and present?

And if you look at his track record he has an excellent record against those 3 teams. He played very well against Atletico in their last game despite not getting on the score sheet.

1 penalty in three games against athletico is hardly glowing form, but I won't hold that against him.

Like I said, he was great in the last game against them.

I'm pretty sure he said Messi is the best player in the world and when 'he is on nobody can stop him', so to me that implies somebody can stop Ronaldo, I was just curious who.

Tell that to Germany, Atletico, Chelsea, Real, Inter Milan...

Cristiano has 14 goals against them (in 17 apps), Santillana has 15, Di Stéfano and Bernabéu have 17.

Although 7 of those 14 came from penalties, which frankly is an almost dubious amount.

Why are penalties dubious? I've taken a few and it's not as easy as they make it seem.

Watch Portugal in any major tournament.

Or recall last season's CL final.

Ignoring all the big games Ronaldo has stepped up to in his career. Cool.

 

[Phil Duck]

Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't care about Manchester United.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Comparing Messi and Ronaldo's dribbling ability is bollocks anyway since they're two completely different players, different styles, different body shapes, weight, centre of gravity and they're asked to play two completely different roles in two completely different styles of team.

Fact is, Ronaldo has proved in the past to have very good close control and an ability to run past multiple players if needs be but he's asked to play a different way, lay the ball off and use his sheer pace and athleticism to get on the end of each move, which he pretty much always does to devastating effect.

Messi isn't asked to do that so he focuses more on the dribbles and does more of them.

Again, I ask of you all. It's impossible to compare them and this ridiculous need to do so serves no purpose. Same with comparing either to greats of the past. You'll never get a level playing field to sample them and their abilities so it's pointless to even suggest. Just appreciate them for what they are whilst we've still got them at their peaks.

It's actually very easy to compare their dribbling abilities.

It's just convenient not to if you're a fan of Ronaldo.

 

[Rykker_4united]

In my opinion that is a myopic way of looking at the game. That a defender or midfielder or keeper cannot be considered as one of the best... is stupid. And insulting.



Is this how you rate all players, past and present?

And if you look at his track record he has an excellent record against those 3 teams. He played very well against Atletico in their last game despite not getting on the score sheet.



Like I said, he was great in the last game against them.



Tell that to Germany, Atletico, Chelsea, Real, Inter Milan...



Why are penalties dubious? I've taken a few and it's not as easy as they make it seem.



Ignoring all the big games Ronaldo has stepped up to in his career. Cool.

Try not to take it personally

 

[Phil Duck]

In my opinion that is a myopic way of looking at the game. That a defender or midfielder or keeper cannot be considered as one of the best... is stupid. And insulting.

I never said such thing, you just draw that conclusion out of nothing.

 

[matherto]

It's actually very easy to compare their dribbling abilities.

It's just convenient not to if you're a fan of Ronaldo.

It's very easy to compare them and say yes, Messi is better at dribbling but considering he's a midget with a low centre of gravity, less bulk, and has been playing that same style since he was a child then obviously he'll be able to jink in between players in tight spaces better.

You'll never get to compare them as equal physically in equal situations so why bother.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's very easy to compare them and say yes, Messi is better at dribbling but considering he's a midget with a low centre of gravity, less bulk, and has been playing that same style since he was a child then obviously he'll be able to jink in between players in tight spaces better.

You'll never get to compare them as equal physically in equal situations so why bother.

Okay let's not compare messi's dribbling abilities to crouch's either cos you know, he's like a giraffe. Otherwise he's definitely the exact same player.

 

[matherto]

Okay let's not compare messi's dribbling abilities to crouch's either cos you know, he's like a giraffe. Otherwise he's definitely the exact same player.

Ronaldo is that far removed from Messi physically that your exaggerated example is actually valid.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Can we say Drogba or falcao are better in the air than messi? It'd a tricky one alright.

 

[adexkola]

Try not to take it personally

I'll be fine, cheers

I never said such thing, you just draw that conclusion out of nothing.

Maybe.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

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It's very easy to compare them and say yes, Messi is better at dribbling but considering he's a midget with a low centre of gravity, less bulk, and has been playing that same style since he was a child then obviously he'll be able to jink in between players in tight spaces better.

You'll never get to compare them as equal physically in equal situations so why bother.

if a player dribbles feckloads better than he's better at dribbling. Seriously, come on now

 

[Rykker_4united]

I'll be fine, cheers



Maybe.

Some of us don't see Ronaldo as the best player ever, I think thats fair.

 

[Carlsen19]

Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't care about Manchester United.

He's not going to play for us again but it's quite clear he does.

 

[Rossa]

Can we say Drogba or falcao are better in the air than messi? It'd a tricky one alright.

It's fair to say that Messi is better than Ronaldo at dribbling, but it's also fair to say that Ronaldo is stronger (when he wants to be), much faster, much better in the air, has two great feet whereas Messi just uses his one.

Their dribbling styles and playing styles ARE different though.

 

[Raoul]

Now can we shut the feck up about it?

Spoiler

Its ON

Normal meaningless agent talk for public consumption.

 

[Phil Duck]

He's not going to play for us again but it's quite clear he does.

Yeah he cares so much he was crazy about leaving. It's ok, it was a professional step for him and Manchester United got the best out of it, but don't delude yourselves into thinking he cares about the club in the same way our legends do.

I care about Manchester United and what happens to the club so I really could not care less about him.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's fair to say that Messi is better than Ronaldo at dribbling, but it's also fair to say that Ronaldo is stronger (when he wants to be), much faster, much better in the air, has two great feet whereas Messi just uses his one.

Their dribbling styles and playing styles ARE different though.

I didn't want to get into delailed comparison so I don't know why you're responding with all of that unless what I said upsets you. But if we're going there then basically messi has over the years matched or bettered Ronaldo's goalsp return while being far better creatively and in their buildup. So there's that.

Styles don't matter. Everyone's dribbling style is different. One is miles better at it though and it's justo really fanboish to try and twist that around to suit your preference.

 

[adexkola]

Some of us don't see Ronaldo as the best player ever, I think thats fair.

I don't either. Actually, don't meet many people who do. But his name is up there, I'd place him right below the GOAT tier (Cryuff, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Pele) if he retired tomorrow.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Normal meaningless agent talk for public consumption.

I think we should do the old Real mind games stuff all season long, then we just buy him next summer. It's as simple as that, what did Woodwoodwood say about being on the same level at Real/Barca? We want, we buy, it's as simple as that.

 

[Jinn]

Mendez would absolutely love it if Ronaldo moved back to UTD.
Another huge pay packet for him. It's all about the money for agents.

 

[Empire]

It's very easy to compare them and say yes, Messi is better at dribbling but considering he's a midget with a low centre of gravity, less bulk, and has been playing that same style since he was a child then obviously he'll be able to jink in between players in tight spaces better.

You'll never get to compare them as equal physically in equal situations so why bother.

Also Messi took growth hormone from what I recall to help him develop physically. Imagine if Ronaldo took growth hormone to also help him develop physically.

Yes I know Messi needed it but I'm just saying, imagine.

 

[Marcosdeto]

Also Messi took growth hormone from what I recall to help him develop physically. Imagine if Ronaldo took growth hormone to also help him develop physically.

Yes I know Messi needed it but I'm just saying, imagine.

i did imagine and the answer is this: it wouldnt make any difference because ronaldo had all the hormones he needed

having more hormones than needed doesnt make you bigger or faster or taller

imagine

 

[matherto]

having more hormones than needed doesnt make you bigger or faster or taller

imagine

It did for Messi.

 

[Marcosdeto]

It did for Messi.

because he didnt have enough

not that hard to understand

if you need 3 and you have 2, more hormones will make a difference

if you need 3 and you have 3, more hormones wont

clear enough?

 

[Phil Duck]

Having hormones doesn't make you better at football or faster or stronger.

 

[matherto]

because he didnt have enough

not that hard to understand

if you need 3 and you have 2, more hormones will make a difference

if you need 3 and you have 3, more hormones wont

clear enough?

Of course, but your original statement was wrong. You stated it didn't make you bigger, stronger or taller and it does.

 

[Marcosdeto]

Having hormones doesn't make you better at football or faster or stronger.

but is a perfect excuse to make messi look bad

 

[Marcosdeto]

Of course, but your original statement was wrong. You stated it didn't make you bigger, stronger or taller and it does.

no, i imagined if ronaldo had hormones as "Empire" said, and, after imaging it, i replied that it wouldnt make a difference

 

[amolbhatia50k]

when I was was biased against messi, I didn't realise how anally in love with Ronaldo united fans still are.

 

[NoLogo]

Having hormones doesn't make you better at football or faster or stronger.

Tsk without those hormones he would never have grown to be two meters tall and being able to run at twice the speed of every other player. How is that fair I ask you? HOOOOOWWWWW?

 

[girish]

I hope he stays at Real.

 

[Ronaldo's Mum Eh?]

I hope he stays at Real.

Yeah we don't want to hinder James Wilson's development

 

[Phil Duck]

Tsk without those hormones he would never have grown to be two meters tall and being able to run at twice the speed of every other player. How is that fair I ask you? HOOOOOWWWWW?

Guess you are being sarcastic? That's just nonsense.

 

[Phil Duck]

I hope he stays at Real.

I agree, Ronaldo fans being happy really bothers me.

 

[NoLogo]

Guess you are being sarcastic? That's just nonsense.

No Messi is clearly at least 2 meter tall thanks to uber-doping with super-power hormones. Don't try to hide the truth.

 

[girish]

Yeah we don't want to hinder James Wilson's development

Did I say anything about hindering our current youth prospects? I'd rather have him stay gone from United than come back here with his antics.

 

[fjred]

Now can we shut the feck up about it?




Ha! Yeah, right! I religiously believe every f****ng word he says! Pull the other one!. Problem is I don't think Ronnie, at his age, could handle the demands of the PL anymore. He's been gone too long and is now used to La liga style. Not saying he'd be a flop but he, certainly, wouldn't be what he was and large amounts are now better spent elsewhere.

 

[Empire]

i did imagine and the answer is this: it wouldnt make any difference because ronaldo had all the hormones he needed

having more hormones than needed doesnt make you bigger or faster or taller

imagine

The link between human growth hormone intake and performance enhancement is unclear however Athletes do take them in an attempt to enhance performance.

For instance it could increase the rate of recovery between training sessions.

It's also possible an excess could be detrimental, I'm not an expert on the matter.

 

[Empire]

I agree, Ronaldo fans being happy really bothers me.

Why do you dislike ronaldo so much?

 

[Welsh Wonder]

Guess you are being sarcastic? That's just nonsense.