A fair point, but I really doubt they will.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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That's my point about the Ballon D'Or. It is based on what people (journalists) saw at the time and is more than a domestic view. The 60's were uniquely rich in truly great players - Di Stefano and Puskas were still there, Garrincha, Pele, Charlton, Eusebio, Beckenbauer, Best, the start of Cruyff, among others. All of them were iconic, still are in fact.
That first video was in one year. How? Just how?
Whilst I agree it's actually fairly easy to stop Messi if you defend against him properly (Chelsea seem to have this sussed out every time they play him), are you suggested that Maradona never had a bad game?
They truly are, the two are untouchable.
Zidane reminds me of the old saying "a scorer of great goals not a great scorer of goals", except substituting player for scorer and games for goals. He was a rather up and down player. Overall, Platini was better in my view.
Not suggesting he never had bad games, all athletes has bad games, so not referring to that at all.
I am suggesting that Maradona couldn't really be stopped, he'd always be able to play his game and you couldn't by any means keep him out of the game - even if you man marked him. He managed to do what Messi currently does attribute wise, but all around the pitch.
He could meet a ball at the half way line, beat three players which opened up the opponents defense completely to let the pass go to someone else. If the team had the ball by the opponents corner flags, you could expect Maradona to get out there and solve the situation for them.
His influence over matches were so much more than "just scoring goals and getting assists" like Messi's. He'd make the entire team work and that has never been something Messi is capable of.
If Messi was up against Colovatti-Bergomi-Scirea-Cabrini with Gentile man marking Messi, then I don't expect Messi would have done anything all game. While Maradona would still have been capable to play his game to a really high level in his 86 peak if the turns were reversed.
Actuality maradona's game at club level wasn't anything special.
Zidane is not even close of touching Platini. Platini was extremely close to having the better peak than Maradona, if it wasn't for 1986 it is very possible that Platini would have been the one rated the highest instead. Top scorer in Serie A, three years in a row - as an attacking midfielder. 82 goals in three seasons as an attacking midfielder way surpassing every other AM in history I believe.
Extra impressive when we look in to the fact that he was a great dribbling playmaker too, with an outstanding passing range and vision. Often he would pull down towards the midfield line, receive the ball then find Boniek, Rossi or even Tardelli on a run up front. Brilliant long balls.
It was extremely impressive. He didnt just won the Ballon in 1986 after his WC he won the Ballon 1987 as well, 3rd in 1988 and 1985. In 1985 he had the highest average rating per game and got the Guerin d'oro.
What he did for Napoli was incredible.
Yeah, he made some questionable career moves, seemed more comfortable at a lesser club where he would be the main man and do everything on his terms.
Saw that he had scored four. The man is a machine.
He must be favorite for the next Ballon d'Or no ? I mean he's catching all the attention now.
Ronaldo has been better than Messi for the last 2, arguably 3 years now. I hope that helps.
Yes Messi is the better player over their respective careers but if Cristiano keeps going the way he's going right now as well as Messi, then Ronaldo will surpass him. Lionel has had the fortune of playing with the same team for an extended period of time and Ronaldo has had the misfortune of having a completely new team and manager almost every season (pre Mourinho+Ancelotti). Some say what Ronaldo has done in that team with new teammates every season is more remarkable. On the other hand, Messi's game is in a sense deteriorating. He's become quite lazy.
Ronaldo's dribbling is so underrated by you it's not even funny. Yes he doesn't take on 3 or 4 defenders and beat them with a couple moves, but what he does with pace and trickery, is absolutely orgasmic.
I said last year that Messi will go down as the best ever and Ronaldo 2nd, but if Cristiano keeps this level up then he will go down as the GOAT.
But let's worry about dribbling and influencing the game!
That man is a genious, but his career exploit is nothing compared to players nowdays.
It's just that he did it with Napoli.
People said about influencing the game, assisting goals are important and which Ronaldo are missing, but if you score that many of goals and hat tricks everyweek then it doesn't matter any more. In the end goals win you games and trophies, you score far more than anyone else you win, it's somehow that simple.
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Didn't know he is so close to Raul's record. Hes an animal.
Ronaldo has been better than Messi for the last 2, arguably 3 years now. I hope that helps.
Yes Messi is the better player over their respective careers but if Cristiano keeps going the way he's going right now as well as Messi, then Ronaldo will surpass him. Lionel has had the fortune of playing with the same team for an extended period of time and Ronaldo has had the misfortune of having a completely new team and manager almost every season (pre Mourinho+Ancelotti). Some say what Ronaldo has done in that team with new teammates every season is more remarkable. On the other hand, Messi's game is in a sense deteriorating. He's become quite lazy.
Ronaldo's dribbling is so underrated by you it's not even funny. Yes he doesn't take on 3 or 4 defenders and beat them with a couple moves, but what he does with pace and trickery, is absolutely orgasmic.
I said last year that Messi will go down as the best ever and Ronaldo 2nd, but if Cristiano keeps this level up then he will go down as the GOAT.
But let's worry about dribbling and influencing the game!
Looks like he's playing for Chelsea in that kit
Literally every time Ronaldo does something good TheShedEnd comes in here discrediting him, it's hilarious
Poor guy has just taken over the mantle from some others in this thread. If you read whole thread, you will find few more who do the same desperate thing. It is hilarious.I don't buy this, some would say Ronaldo knew what he was getting into when he signed for Madrid a highly volatile club when it comes to changeover of managers and players it didn't start happening as soon as Ronaldo joined, hardly misfortune. And let's take a look at the changing team mates Ronaldo has had: Ozil, Modric, Alonso, Bale, Rodriguez, Isco etc these are all great players if anything they are going to help Ronaldo rather than make him worse.
Ronaldo has always been selfish but that helps his individual game, he has always been the focal point of the team and if you look at his ratio of shots to goals it's quite ridiculous, someone of his ability is going to score that many goals if he's shooting that often. On the other hand Messi's shots to goals is far lower it's not even close, not just his goal stats but assists stats are superior too.
Don't get me wrong Ronaldo is a phenomenal goal scorer but he will never be better than Messi as an all-round footballer no matter what he does in the future. As mentioned before there is far more to being the greatest than goal scoring. Match influence and big game performance are far more valuable imo which Messi is hands down better.
Surprised more players don't shoot more often then. Or maybe, they don't get themselves into scoring positions / chances as much as him. I wish our strikers had more shots per game if it meant more goals.
Are people still using the "Ronaldo doesn't perform in big games" argument????
As i mentioned he is the focal point, over the years Madrid's tactic is to play through Ronaldo - which is is fair enough, why wouldn't you? It's the same with Messi at Barca but he's not as wasteful and doesn't try to shoot from long distances and at stupid angles. Being in La Liga Madrid are going to be dominant in 90% of their matches i read somewhere Madrid avg 20 shots a game, that would never happen in the premier league. And i would like our strikers to get into those positions but before Di Maria arrived we never had he calibre of the play makers and midfielders Madrid have had in the past.
And i do give credit for Ronaldo getting in those positions he's become an phenomenal goalscorer it's one of the reasons he is so great, but he is in very good conditions to help him with that.
As for big games it's pretty clear to see imo. CL AGAIN he was nowhere to be seen.
Are you joking? A. He JUST broke the CL single season scoring record. B. He was injured. C. 3 CL finals, 2 goals.
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Ronaldo - "It's all speculation, speaking about my future. My future is Madrid. I'm happy."
So no surprise here. As I said earlier in this thread he says the same stuff every year yet people fall for it and get excited only for him to quash the rumours. He isn't coming back, the sooner people understand that the better.
So no surprise here. As I said earlier in this thread he says the same stuff every year yet people fall for it and get excited only for him to quash the rumours. He isn't coming back, the sooner people understand that the better.
Shame. He's definitely one of the top 15-30 players linked with United every summer.
How was Messi in the CL final?
What makes the PL so special that Real Madrid and Ronaldo wouldn't be able to replicate those same performances ?
I remember those games clearly, not good memories to be honest.
Sorry poor wording should have read CL final, his overall goal scoring as I've said before is awesome. As for his performance in last years final even the most biased Ronaldo fan can say he was anything but average, scoring a meaningless penalty won't change that.
c 3 CL Finals, 2 goals, one penalty -the 4 of a 4-1 victpry in the minute 119- and one penalty missed against chelsea
and he broke the CL record of goals scored in one season, scoring 17 goals, of which 15 had no impact in the game
sorry, but thats the truth
Maradona never won the ballon d'or.
But that had no impact in the game - seeing as now we can apparently discount goals when it is convenient to do so.
2009 final player ratings:
Lionel Messi
Started as a central striker and was soon revelling in the role, scuttling past the United defenders and instigating panic. Just as he seemed to have gone quiet, the shortest player on the field popped up with that superb header. So much for not scoring against English clubs. 8 - From the telegraph.
Lionel Messi More central role than usual and was always trying to get on the ball, always looking to make something happen, and scored the killer goal 8 - From the guardian.
2011 final player ratings:
Lionel Messi - 10
A performance worthy not just of the world's best footballer, but one of the greatest that has ever lived. Irresistible all evening, United couldn't get anywhere near him, as they proved by giving him the freedom of the park to score Barca's second. - From the BBC
Lionel Messi - 9
Slow to find his rhythm, but then produced numerous flashes of genius before brilliantly applying the finishing touch for the crucial second. - From the Telegraph
Why are people going to such lengths to discredit everything ROnaldo does? He breaks the CL record for goals; none of them really mattered. He scores 25 hat tricks for Madrid and scores over one goal a game average; La Liga is shit.
Just easier to accept that some people will never be convinced.
Just easier to accept that some people will never be convinced.
then do it
But at the same time some people will not accept valid criticisms of him, no one is denying he's a great goalscorer but when people start saying he's the best ever it's worthy to dissect his game which brings out some inconvenient truths for die hard Ronaldo fans.
Do you have a source for that? Don't think he's said anything like that recently.
This whole debate sparked up with someone saying he's all time top 30, which imo, is even crazier than saying he's the best ever.
So it is the other way around tbf; it started with some people playing down his accomplishments.
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