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Cristiano Ronaldo
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TBH i only joined in halfway, but it's not uncommon for people to say he's the best or even in top 3. He's definitely top 10 for me, 10-30 is just ridiculous. But this is all subjective everyone will have their own opinions on ranking things like this.
Ronaldo and Messi have had these crazy goalscoring seasons before.. everyone gets super excited, proclaiming them the GOAT and then a big match comes round where both get snuffed out by a well-organised defence and then they get called average.. the whole cycle begins again.
Ronaldo looks absolutely tremendous right now in terms of form, if he can lead Real to another CL and put in some marquee performances in big games, definitive performances.. he's making it very hard to leave him out of these all time great discussions. His heading ability alone is godly. But lets keep some perspective here..
Those who say international football doesn't matter? it does, but in Ronaldo's defence - he was clearly injured this summer and Portugal looked dreadful. Unfair to expect him to dominate international tournaments, in fact he's been in a Euro Final and a world cup semi.. in both tournaments he was solid. Messi has now reached a world cup final in tournament in which his supporting stars were utterly dreadful and yet he's past his peak arguably, so again - did well in my opinion (Puskas got to one world cup final). Someone like Maldini for example, one world cup final? yet always a shoe in for best left back of all time?
It has come to the stage where it is unlikely that we will see them at their peak in an international tournament again - they have had solid international careers (better than Di Stefano for example), so the champions league and the big encounters will be the best way of judging their position in the pantheon of greats.
Ronaldo looks absolutely tremendous right now in terms of form, if he can lead Real to another CL and put in some marquee performances in big games, definitive performances.. he's making it very hard to leave him out of these all time great discussions. His heading ability alone is godly. But lets keep some perspective here..
Those who say international football doesn't matter? it does, but in Ronaldo's defence - he was clearly injured this summer and Portugal looked dreadful. Unfair to expect him to dominate international tournaments, in fact he's been in a Euro Final and a world cup semi.. in both tournaments he was solid. Messi has now reached a world cup final in tournament in which his supporting stars were utterly dreadful and yet he's past his peak arguably, so again - did well in my opinion (Puskas got to one world cup final). Someone like Maldini for example, one world cup final? yet always a shoe in for best left back of all time?
It has come to the stage where it is unlikely that we will see them at their peak in an international tournament again - they have had solid international careers (better than Di Stefano for example), so the champions league and the big encounters will be the best way of judging their position in the pantheon of greats.
He's not going to turn around in September say to the press he's unhappy at Madrid and wants to leave at the end of the season, Madrid wouldn't play him.
IF (big if) he leaves Madrid and wants to move to Manchester United it will be one of those where his representatives are secretly talking to United and he will make his feelings be known at the end of the season.
IF (big if) he leaves Madrid and wants to move to Manchester United it will be one of those where his representatives are secretly talking to United and he will make his feelings be known at the end of the season.
He's obviously not going to say he wants to leave but he came out with that stupid "I'm sad" interview as soon as the transfer window shut a year or two ago. He's not against creating waves in the media, and he knows he's too good for them not to play him.
Not sure why I'm arguing the point though, because there's no way he's moving to Man Utd next summer and you all need to stop obsessing with his supposed return.
Different type of players, Zidane was never going to be a great goalscorer.. but he was always evidently a class above his illustrious team mates in some of the most star studded teams in the past two decades. The way he could control the biggest games so effortlessly, stamp his authority on them was utterly magical. Yes he wasn't as consistent as Messi/Ronaldo at what they do, but just the way other players speak about Zidane.. they know what a rarefied talent he is. The greatness of a player isn't solely determined by their consistency in front of goal, their ability to win the biggest matches of all plays a massive part too (needs to be in context of their position).. when they stakes are high, defences are super focused or on flip side you're up against one of the world's greatest attackers.. pressure of a nation/whole world is watching - can you perform? and to what level..
That to me is a key element in determining which great player is better than the other.
Tbf people used to say "you need to stop obsessing" and "it's not going to happen" about us signing the likes of Di Maria, Falcao.
I think United are now in a position where we can bring these types of players to the club, IF (big if again) Ronaldo is unhappy, how many clubs could really afford him?
He's not going to go to Barcelona and with FFP, City/Chelsea/PSG can't blow £70m+ on 1 player, United are the only club other than Barcelona/Madrid who can do that.
Personally instead of trying to resign Ronaldo I'd like us to remember Ronaldo how we do, go for the next Ronaldo (a Neymar type) or bring Pogba back.
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Do you really believe he's going to leave Madrid without being the all time top scorer? Which in sight but won't achieve yet this season btw.
After that, who knows? In the future, anything can happen.
It's an interesting annoyance to have with Ronaldo and not Messi, as the latter is clearly as guilty of diving at times.
Messi and Ronaldo fanboyism annoys me to be honest, can we not simply enjoy the two greatest players of all time? You'd swear Maradona and Zidane were squeaky clean!
#VivaRonaldo #MakesEnglandLookShite #WinkingWinger #BringHimBackFromSpain
You're right that if he was available then you'd most likely be in pole position. Me saying it won't happen isn't because I don't think you could beat rivals to the signing, it's because there's a less than 1% chance that both Real Madrid and the player himself are happy to call it quits next summer. Even if he wanted to go (I doubt it) there's no way Pérez sells him.
Ronaldo will go down as the top 2 of all time. You'll realize this soon enough. I know it hurts, but try not to be too salty.
Football is too easy for him.
I think it's more cringe when people say that about Messi, if Messi fans truly believe Messi is the greatest of all time then they must think Ronaldo is at least top 3 since Ronaldo has more than held his own in Messi's era and got the better of him at times, hence Ronaldo currently the best player the world and will probably be named that again at the end of the year.
Agree both fanboys are just as annoying as each other.
As for the player of the year award, i think everyone should have a read of Pirlo's autobiography on it makes some great points about it.
On that same note if Messi wasn't around Ronaldo would have won every POTY award since 2008.
Yeah, but you could also argue Messi pushed Ronaldo to new heights and vice versa.
I do think Ronaldo and Messi will be considered at the same level as Pelé in 40 years' time (and sooner) because what they have over Zidane, Platini, Beckenbauer, Cruyff and co. is their rankings in the goalscoring charts. No matter what TheShedEnd and co. say, the very fact that they are the top two scorers in European history will have a significant influence on the general opinion, particularly given it's backed up with them playing starring roles in winning two (or more) Champions League titles.
You need context to understand the impact, influence and quality of the likes of Platini, Beckenbauer and Cruyff that you don't need with Ronaldo and Messi because you have one quick look at their goals records to go along with their personal accolades and titles and people who haven't seen them play will see the very clear, simple justification for it.
The majority of football fans don't really have any interest in the history of the game and aren't arsed looking into the context of players' careers and achievements so the general opinion will be swayed by bit-size arguments that are easily digested. With stats becoming a bigger part of the game as the years go by and goals being the most important stat in the game, it wouldn't be surprising in any way if Ronaldo and Messi were considered the top two.
You need context to understand the impact, influence and quality of the likes of Platini, Beckenbauer and Cruyff that you don't need with Ronaldo and Messi because you have one quick look at their goals records to go along with their personal accolades and titles and people who haven't seen them play will see the very clear, simple justification for it.
The majority of football fans don't really have any interest in the history of the game and aren't arsed looking into the context of players' careers and achievements so the general opinion will be swayed by bit-size arguments that are easily digested. With stats becoming a bigger part of the game as the years go by and goals being the most important stat in the game, it wouldn't be surprising in any way if Ronaldo and Messi were considered the top two.
Pretty much.
I can't really comment on the validity of those claims either, because I'm completely lacking the necessary context that you referenced in terms of anyone who played in an era I didn't follow. I'll say this much though, since I started following football in the nineties, they are head and shoulders above anyone else. And if any other player has not only shown the an equal combination of talent, skills and output over prolonged periods as these two have done before the nineties, let alone been even better in that regard, they would have been truly magnificent footballers. No doubt about it.
I have no interest in starting watching old matches, at least nowhere near the volume you'd have to watch in order to make a proper comparison (for comparing consistency) so I'll just have to live with that I can't really hold an opinion on where they rank among the all time greats. I do have a hunch I'll be able to tell my grand children that I watched two of the greatest players of all time live and in the flesh though
This is true I feel. As much as they ate into each others potential individual honors, they've pushed each other to greater performance levels
Come Home Ronaldo banner to be flown
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As nice as that is, why is flying a banner now the go-to strategy for our fans to get a message out there? Getting silly now.
Probably Cal's latest attempt to bring him back.
The general development speaks in their favour. Give me something tangible, something statistical, something undeniable - that's more, literally, impressive than anything which hurts your brain a bit.
Well, possibly. I have a hope, though, that football will still be regarded beyond the stats. It's always been a part of its historical reception, so to speak - people who care about football history have never been obsessed with stats and pure goal scorers have never been acknowledged as anything more than just that by those who give a feck. Hopefully that will remain true.
That said, both Ronaldo and Messi go beyond the goals netted, both in terms of actual quality and media exposure - and what should ensure their positions in history, if nothing else, is precisely their immense exposure in a time where that exposure is greater than anything we've seen, and to a great extent (as per the story told by the media) focused on their "rivalry". That alone counts for a lot in terms of how they will be viewed, if history has taught us anything.
So trying to be witty, I typed into Google "What Saints day is 24th of September?" hoping I could be clever and find something with an anagram of Ronaldo or Ron or something.
I found this.
24 September is a date noted in Catholicism for the slaying of the Martyrs of Chalcedon.
Chalcedon
Put your houses on it.
I found this.
24 September is a date noted in Catholicism for the slaying of the Martyrs of Chalcedon.
Chalcedon
Put your houses on it.
It's not just about the stats. Pele and Maradona are synonymous with best player in football ever because they became popular in... well... popular culture. That is the reason why someone like Di Stefano is not listed alongside them by 'casual' fans. Back then performing in the WC was the best way to have that kind of impact, it is not so true any more. Messi and Ronaldo don't need to set the WC on fire to dominate footballing news. If anything their competition has brought both even more coverage. In that sense Brwned is right, in 20-30 years people will see these two in either the same level as Pele, Maradona or possibly even better. Some disgruntled football geeks will protest but won't influence popular opinion.
It is just embarrassing.
It is defenders we need not Cristiano fecking Ronaldo.
Both wouldn't hurt would they. What we really need however, is our players to start playing as a consistent unit, which is a work in progress. There's no guarantee that signing a top defender would give us the necessary character to avoid the mental implosion at Leicester.
no your right both would not hurt, to be honest I am just sick of Ronaldo being touted has what we are missing, I just dont agree.
I doubt many view him as what we're missing, but more so that we would be significantly better if the current world's best footballer, who happens to be in scintillating form at the moment, played for us, as opposed to someone else. I do agree that Ronaldo fan boys are annoying, but that shouldn't lessen anyone's view on the player himself.
That is the problem, I agree he is an excellent player in excellent form.
Does anyone else think that he's probably the best crosser in the world when he actually attempts them? Every time I actually see him genuinely trying to play like a winger rather than a forward, I find his delivery to be phenomenal.
Probably the best player at heading the ball I've ever seen and I can't even stand to watch him celebrate most of the time. He's literally turned into football's Terminator.
Two points really. First, nobody is placing Maldini alongside Maradona and Pele. Second, apart from 2002 when he was well past his best, there was no World Cup where Maldini underwhelmed with his peformances. He was an important cog in perhaps the best international defence of all time in Italy's 1990 vintage, a defence that looked and was unbeatable until Zenga flapped at a speculative cross in the semi-final. He was a star of the show in 1994 and shone again in 1998.
What???? Better than Bale, Di Maria and countless others ??? What are you smoking ?
Yeah it's probably getting a bit late, but every time I generally see him cross they seem to be pretty spectacular in terms of pace and accuracy.
Who are among these countless others though?
We would win the league 3 years on the bounce if we got him.
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