PSG, Chelsea, City. If he'd leave though, I'd honestly rather he went back to United, for his own good aswell. He'll be seen as a mercenary if he joins any of the other clubs.
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PSG, Chelsea, City. If he'd leave though, I'd honestly rather he went back to United, for his own good aswell. He'll be seen as a mercenary if he joins any of the other clubs.
Best player in our most successful period ever, that's legendary.
A very good point. Whether someone's a club legend or not isn't really a personal subjective opinion. It's a matter of the fact of consensus. The fans sing his name, and whether or not they should doesn't change the fact that they're doing it, signalling his status.
is laudrup a juve or barca legend then since you can't be a legend of more than one big club?
It's more than just that though. A lot of legends do it over a sustained period of times: he effectively produced for 3 seasons. Yes, he was the best in one of our successful periods, but it's more than that. Players like Charlton for example were here for a lot longer, and people such as him and Cantona didn't abandon us in their prime to join a major European rival.
The original Ronaldo...is he a Real legend? Funnily enough when I think of Ronaldo...the Barca one comes to mind.
I don't know how fair is that...
If things aren't to work out between him and Real, and it's best for both parties to part, then the reason for him joining those clubs might be Real's need (and fair expectations) to cash in on him and not necessarily a mercenary behaviour from his part.
He said money isn't his biggest motivator and until proven otherwise I won't assume it's not true. He may wish to return to United and not being possible at all.
A hypothetical question for those who would want him back: how much would you be willing to pay? Say he runs down his contract and is either going to join us, or PSG (to eliminate the 'I'll pay anything to keep him out of City's hands' scenario).
Yeah but that doesn't take away from what he accomplished here. He won't be held with the same affection as the likes of those two but his contribution can't be denied, and he was a massive part of our success whilst he was here when we were facing a hugely tough challenge in Chelsea.
We use the one club card a bit too much imo, those players hold a special place in United history, but I don't think every player has to be here for the long haul, if you want to bring in international talent than you have to accept that not all of them will have a deep affection for the club or country, all you can ask is that they treat the club with respect and produce and I think Ronaldo did that. He might have wanted to leave a year earlier but he got his head down and produced another great season before he left. And I think what he did produce is more than enough for him to go down as a Legend even if he won't be thought off anywhere near as affectionately as others.
Yeah, I get that, and I'm not trying to say he's not a legend here because he probably should be seen as one. I just don't agree with the greatest ever comments, which that post seemed to imply, because like I said it's a lot more than just being the most talented player to kick a football for that team.
I don't doubt that a player can be a legend for more than one club either, it's just that Ronaldo wasn't here for anywhere near as long as someone like Charlton, while Giggs and Scholes have been here for about four times and three times longer than him respectively. I know he went there because he said it's his childhood club, but I still felt like he'd been a bit of a mercenary when he left us for a major European rival who could offer more money.
Also, while he still was brilliant in that last season, it was nowhere near his best. Some could have said that he was merely at a normal level after the dizzy heights of 2007/2008, but he then went to Real Madrid and produced much better than what he gave us in his final season here. I would not say he wasn't bothered at all, but a slight disinterest seemed to eventually creep into his game over time. He produced nowhere near his best that season either way.
For me, that just means Cantona and Charlton are legends too, bigger Legends than Ronaldo but it's doesn't stop Ronaldo from being a legend also.
Ronaldo is probably one of the first people to be thought of when remembering back to the clubs most successful period ever, you can't just write off a contribution like that. He will forever live on in our memories for those seasons, the journey we went on with him witnessing a boy turning into the indisputed best player in the world and the success and good times that came with it.
I don't think many people can call someone a true legend when that player played a part of his career with the biggest rival. That's why I can't see Figo and Ronaldo as true club legends, but maybe it's just me. By the way, has there ever been a player with 'legendary status' at United who played for Liverpool or City?
Ince is probably the closest, wouldn't call him a legend though.
Shit, for City as well there is quite a few. Andy Cole, Schmieichel, Law
Shit, for City as well there is quite a few. Andy Cole, Schmieichel, Law
Tevez
Peter S, Law...
I agree with this, I bet Ronaldo would return to United if he had to choose another club right now. I'm pretty sure, even.
Denis Law? Peter Schmeichel?
ralph250 from the newbies just let me know that Sir Matt Busby played for both Liverpool as City throughout his career, I didn't know this, thanks ralph.
Schmeichel, but it's not comparable to the situation with Figo or even Ronaldo. Schmeichel spent all of his best years with us, and only joined City in the last year of his career. Also he only left us when he was past his peak, and because the club thought it was the right time to part ways on good terms.
Right, forgot Schmeichel went to city for a while. Do you think some diehards might not see him as a legend for this fact?
Yes, me.
To be fair, I was still very young when he left United, so the memory of him playing for City is fresher.Cantona won the league with Leeds
Not me. Very few even remember that he played for City. He's a true United legend IMO.
Exactly, a bit like Raul for us. Except he didn't go back to Atletico. (Thank God)
Law did not celebrate after scoring against us. The Dane celebrated after someone else scored against us. Small time. I am not going to doubt his legend status for that since he is possibly the best keeper to play the game but I don't care one bit for him.
Denis Law. Manchester City. Despite this he's one of our biggest legends.
I don't think Tevez is a city legend just yet, but you never know, because...it's city.
Knowing them he probably will be considered a legend even after pissing of golfing for half the season!
Speaking of Andy Cole, he probably isn't as highly regarded as he should be. Not saying he is a 'legend' but he has more goals than Ronaldo in less games, one of our top goalscorers of all time etc.
What Big Pete did was worse than what Ronaldo has done till now. There was no need to move to City. Law moved there in a different era all together so that comparison does not count. I know plenty of reds who agree with me on this as well. I still remember the image of him celebrating that City goal against us on the other end of the pitch. Sickening.
Not a player but Sir Matt Busby I believe played for Liverpool ?
Someone correct me if I'm talking shite.
Nah, you're correct. I think he may just've done enough for the right shade of Red.
Why is the different era relevant?
Just a tad.
It's not but did you notice how Denis reacted when his side scored against us ?
There is your difference.
Pete, for all his starfish godlikeness, would probably of started doing the Macarena at that point.
Well that's my impression talking to older fans. May be others who were present then correct me if I am wring about that.
Didn't see that post, fair play.
I disagree with you on this too then. HERE is the right place for that "property" argument. He doesn't have to be our property to be our legend, what matters is that he spent all of his best years with us, which is why no matter what, he will always only be remembered as a United player. Add to that being one of the best keepers in the history of football, and you get the perfect definition of a legend IMO.
We didn't have a bitter rivalry with Liverpool pre 70s. Yes yes...yes the Manc Ship Canal, but that isn't the root of our footballing rivalry.
What was it? Was it them being so successful back then?
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