Cristiano Ronaldo

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marcosdeto said:
i felt RVN was always playing for the team, while Ronaldo was mostly playing for himself
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I don't see how you could possible feel that. Possibly an opposition fan who didn't watch Ronaldo and just got fed the media's standard line that he's a self-serving prima-donna might. But have you ever heard SAF and the other players talk about him. He was incredibly driven, hardworking, and committed to the team. RVN, on the other hand, had a selfish streak which was a big part of why he was such a deadly striker.

Guybrush is right, there's simply no grounds on which you can realistically call RVN a legend and Ronaldo not.
 
Brightonian said:
I don't see how you could possible feel that. Possibly an opposition fan who didn't watch Ronaldo and just got fed the media's standard line that he's a self-serving prima-donna might. But have you ever heard SAF and the other players talk about him. He was incredibly driven, hardworking, and committed to the team. RVN, on the other hand, had a selfish streak which was a big part of why he was such a deadly striker.

Guybrush is right, there's simply no grounds on which you can realistically call RVN a legend and Ronaldo not.
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as i said before, that's how i feel

there's no parameter on what makes a player a legend and what doesnt, it's all in the fan's eye
 
Van Nistelrooy is more of a United legend (even though I wouldn't consider him a true legend, nor is Beckham by the way I.M.F.O.) because when the name RVN is mentioned everybody remembers him for his days with Manchester United. Nobody remembers him for the days he had with PSV, even though he had great seasons with them, but he's OUR "legend" because the best part of his career was linked to us.

It's not the case with Ronaldo. He chose to spend his best years with the club he really loves. It's pathetic IMFO that we're still trying to hold on to him as a "true red legend".

By the way, it's also pathetic to try and mix up between "one of the greatest players ever" and a "club legend".
 
VoetbalWizard said:
if ronnie isn't a utd legend, rooney will never be.

like feck i'll be tellin me grandkids about rooney before ronnie.
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And you grandkids will wonder: Why is our grandfather obsessed with a Real Madrid legend instead of the true United legends??

It's like dating a girl for a couple of years, then she dumps you and chooses to marry somebody else, but you still wander around telling everybody: "She is mine!"
 
Danny1982 said:
And you grandkids will wonder: Why is our grandfather obsessed with a Real Madrid legend instead of the true United legends??

It's like dating a girl for a couple of years, then she dumps you and chooses to marry somebody else, but you still wander around telling everybody: "She is mine!"
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You sound like the jealous ex though, not us. And you sound like the break-up hurt you really bad too.
 
Brightonian said:
Sounds a bit like you're more worried about what other people will think than about whether or not we as a group of fans can call Ronaldo a United legend. And yes, as you noted earlier, it is a vague term. Welcome to football fandom.

He'll always be a legend for me. I enjoyed his younger years as much as his world-beater ones, ridiculous haircut and ridiculous skills and all. Of course he didn't single-handedly win us the CL, but that doesn't mean we could have won it without him. Clearly we couldn't have.

To claim that he always saw us as 'just a bridge' is nonsense. He was incredibly committed and passionate, everyone at the club who talked about him said that. He lay on the centre-circle in Moscow weeping for five minutes when we won, for Christ's sake.

Ultimately, the fans still sing his name. Whether or not you approve of that doesn't change the fact that clearly most do. To use your terminology, he's a United legend whether or not he's your United legend.
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You know the true measure for a legend is how people perceive him AFTER he retires, right?

There is nothing sillier IMO than us claiming him to be OUR legend after he spent 10 successful years with Real Madrid breaking about every single record for them, and being honored by Real Madrid as one of THEIR greatest legends. That would be really sad. We're not Ajax FFS!
 
I have a question for you all here:

If Ronaldo was asked which he would prefer: To be a Manchester United legend, or a Real Madrid legend (having played for both of us), which do you think he would choose?
 
Tomalonge said:
Some people really are butthurt that he left. Still.

Testament to the man himself, we don't miss the shit players.
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Exactly what it is, its quite embarrassing.

Of course Ronaldo is a Utd legend. Keane criticised the entire set up, was unceromoniously fecked out the door and has done little but snipe at the club since.

Schmikes played for City for feck sake.

Legends are defined by what they did at Utd, not what they went on to do after they left us. Ronaldo developed from a boy to the best player on the planet in his time at Utd and won everything possible with us.

Only an idiot, or a 14 year old girl, would attempt to say he's not a club legend.
 
Eyepopper said:
Exactly what it is, its quite embarrassing.

Of course Ronaldo is a Utd legend. Keane criticised the entire set up, was unceromoniously fecked out the door and has done little but snipe at the club since.

Schmikes played for City for feck sake.

Legends are defined by what they did at Utd, not what they went on to do after they left us. Ronaldo developed from a boy to the best player on the planet in his time at Utd and won everything possible with us.

Only an idiot, or a 14 year old girl, would attempt to say he's not a club legend.
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i must be an idiot then
 
Danny1982 said:
You know the true measure for a legend is how people perceive him AFTER he retires, right?

There is nothing sillier IMO than us claiming him to be OUR legend after he spent 10 successful years with Real Madrid breaking about every single record for them, and being honored by Real Madrid as one of THEIR greatest legends. That would be really sad. We're not Ajax FFS!
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Oh I get it, you can only occupy legendary status at one club is it?

Love me and you can't love anyone else!

You're talking complete fecking nonsense. Had, Ronaldo retired the day he moved to Madrid he would have done enough in his time here to be elevated to the status of club legend... that he might go on to do the same elsewhere does nothing to change that, apart from break your heart, obviously.
 
Eyepopper said:
Exactly what it is, its quite embarrassing.

Of course Ronaldo is a Utd legend. Keane criticised the entire set up, was unceromoniously fecked out the door and has done little but snipe at the club since.

Schmikes played for City for feck sake.

Legends are defined by what they did at Utd, not what they went on to do after they left us. Ronaldo developed from a boy to the best player on the planet in his time at Utd and won everything possible with us.

Only an idiot, or a 14 year old girl, would attempt to say he's not a club legend.
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:lol:
 
Eyepopper said:
Exactly what it is, its quite embarrassing.

Of course Ronaldo is a Utd legend. Keane criticised the entire set up, was unceromoniously fecked out the door and has done little but snipe at the club since.

Schmikes played for City for feck sake.

Legends are defined by what they did at Utd, not what they went on to do after they left us. Ronaldo developed from a boy to the best players on the planet in his time at Utd and won everything possible with us.

Only an idiot, or a 14 year old girl, would attempt to say he's not a club legend.
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Exactly, Even Van Nistelrooy left on bad terms but nobody's denying his status. It just seems a bit petty that people are getting that wound up about us singing songs about an incredible footballer that graced our side for a fair few years.

He always speaks nicely about us, and attributes his rise to stardom as a mixture of his work ethic and SAF's teachings, I've not seen one bad word from him about our club, fans or manager. I just don't get why some people are so offended by us celebrating a very good United player.

Danny1982 said:
:lol: On the contrary, I'm the one who is dealing with the reality and moving on! lol
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You're clearly not, as the people still singing his name really get on your wick.

Bless you.
 
Isn't that just a testament to the player? What he accomplishes at Real doesn't diminish what he accomplished here. He might be held to a different level of reverence at United and Real, but he can still be legends to each club, because he did great things with both, both as an individual player and as part of the team. I mean he may be sweeping the records at Real, but he set some records here, has so far won more and it's at United that he accomplished becoming the best in the world, and I think that means a lot to him, 10 years at Real won't necessarily change that and it shouldn't change that he was the key player in a period of great success for us against a very tough opponent in Chelsea.
 
Eyepopper said:
Oh I get it, you can only occupy legendary status at one club is it?

Love me and you can't love anyone else!

You're talking complete fecking nonsense. Had, Ronaldo retired the day he moved to Madrid he would have done enough in his time here to be elevated to the status of club legend... that he might go on to do the same elsewhere does nothing to change that, apart from break your heart, obviously.
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Ok then, I get it, he's everybody's legend!

And yes, had he retired the day he left us, he would only be remembered as a United player, and we'll have the right to call him our legend.
 
Yes, a legend, it couldn't be more obvious. Fans these days are just spoilt as feck.
 
If Ronaldo was asked which he would prefer: To be a Manchester United legend, or a Real Madrid legend (having played for both of us), which do you think he would choose?
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Why does it matter? He doesn't tell us whether or not he's a United legend, it's about how we feel.

You're afraid of being seen as small-time, basically. 'Only little feeder-clubs idolise someone who goes on to do better elsewhere.' But probably the definitive sign of a small-time club is that the fans are obsessed with not appearing small-time.

He was amazing for us, one of our greatest ever players, who won everything with us and really lit up a very successful period of our history. I don't really care what he went on to do later in his career. He can be a Madrid legend and a United legend. Zidane is a legend at two clubs. Several of the greats, in fact, are club legends at more than one club.

Tomalonge is right, you sound exactly like the jealous ex who goes around telling everyone who'll listen how 'over her' he is. The rest of us are fine with the fact that Ronaldo moved on, and that he's doing well elsewhere. We enjoyed his time with us, why should we resent the rest of his career?

It's like dating a girl for a couple of years, then she dumps you and chooses to marry somebody else, but you still wander around telling everybody: "She is mine!"
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This demonstrates exactly the flaw in your reasoning. Being a club legend isn't a possessive thing. It's not like saying 'she's mine', it's like saying 'we had an amazing time when we were going out.'
 
If Messi leaves Barca now for whatever reason and goes and has 10 years of mega success somewhere else in europe will he cease to be a Barcelona legend?
 
Ash_G said:
If Messi leaves Barca now for whatever reason and goes and has 10 years of mega success somewhere else in europe will he cease to be a Barcelona legend?
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I doubt that. He's established himself as the best footballer ever as a Barca player and had a huge part in a massively successful period for them.
 
Exactly, there's some bizarre logic where you have to own your legends or something. Whatever Ronaldo goes on to do doesn't diminish what he accomplished here, in the same way that Fergie kicking Keane and RVN out of the door doesn't mean their accomplishments with us are somehow less. No one's saying he's our greatest ever player, or the sort of player the club has been built on and survives on, but what he did whilst he was here both as an individual and as part of the team, make him a legend to the club even if ideally we'd liked him to have stayed longer.
 
Ash_G said:
Exactly, there's some bizarre logic where you have to own your legends or something. Whatever Ronaldo goes on to do doesn't diminish what he accomplished here, in the same way that Fergie kicking Keane and RVN out of the door doesn't mean their accomplishments with us are somehow less. No one's saying he's our greatest ever player, or the sort of player the club has been built on and survives on, but what he did whilst he was here both as an individual and as part of the team, make him a legend to the club even if ideally we'd liked him to have stayed longer.
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Also, the door's still open if he wants to come back.

Not many players who leave United have that privilege.
 
16/11/12: Spanish website teinteresta.es intriguingly suggests Cristiano Ronaldo could end up back at United next season! It is suggested the Portugal star will reject an improved contract offer and has made it clear that financial issues are not key to his decision. The report goes as far to say he could request a transfer from the Liga champions.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ransfer-rumours-and-speculation-november.aspx
 
Forevergiggs said:
16/11/12: Spanish website teinteresta.es intriguingly suggests Cristiano Ronaldo could end up back at United next season! It is suggested the Portugal star will reject an improved contract offer and has made it clear that financial issues are not key to his decision. The report goes as far to say he could request a transfer from the Liga champions.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...ransfer-rumours-and-speculation-november.aspx
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EDIT: Was going to edit this as it's fecked up, but then I realised I quite like it.
 
Tomalonge said:
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EDIT: Was going to edit this as it's fecked up, but then I realised I quite like it.
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To be fair, you're not really helping the 'Ronaldo is a legend, we don't have to be drooling idiots to think so' cause with this post.
 
Tomalonge said:
I'm not trying to though.

If I want to be a drooling idiot, let me.

EDIT: :drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:
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Fair enough. I don't endorse it... but I like it.

EDIT: You realise this article is completely based on the same quotes about his 'unhappiness' that went around ages ago, and is therefore utter bullshit, yes?
 
marcosdeto said:
so you insulted me! then you have to be right! there's no other explanation!

btw, 14 year old girls tend to looooooooove ronaldo

the same way you do

who's the 14 year old girl now, uh?





the answer is you, poppers, YOU!
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I don't love Ronaldo, I loved watching him at Utd, I couldn't be arsed following his career now though.

EDIT: and I'd have no problem being a 14 year old girl. I've met the surgeon and he says its not a runner.
 
Eyepopper said:
Exactly what it is, its quite embarrassing.

Of course Ronaldo is a Utd legend. Keane criticised the entire set up, was unceromoniously fecked out the door and has done little but snipe at the club since.

Schmikes played for City for feck sake.

Legends are defined by what they did at Utd, not what they went on to do after they left us. Ronaldo developed from a boy to the best player on the planet in his time at Utd and won everything possible with us.

Only an idiot, or a 14 year old girl, would attempt to say he's not a club legend.
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This.

Same goes for DB.
 
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