Cristiano Ronaldo

Status
Not open for further replies.
None of those players wanted/asked to leave us, without having any problems with us whatsoever. If he doesn't want to be a United legend, then I'm not going to act like he's one.

:lol:

Beckham & Best left on much worse terms with the club than Ronaldo?

What about Keano?
 
It's different when you have a problem with the manager, the owner, ... Then you HAVE a reason to leave. In Ronaldo's case he had none. Everybody was behind him. Everybody was supporting him. He left (practically after 2-3 years) only because he didn't want to play for us. He preferred to play for another club and jumped at the first chance to do so (even though we managed to tie him eventually after his first jump to hold on to him for another season).

2/3 great seasons, thank you very much Ronnie. You're one hell of a player, and you might very well be a Madrid legend, but IMO, not a United legend.
 
Legends are the ones you'll keep talking about and keep comparing the new kids to for years after they've gone. Cristiano Ronaldo qualifies.
 
Legends are the ones you'll keep talking about and keep comparing the new kids to for years after they've gone. Cristiano Ronaldo qualifies.

As I stated above, I'm not saying he's not going to be a legend, just not a United legend IMO.
 
It's different when you have a problem with the manager, the owner, ... Then you HAVE a reason to leave. In Ronaldo's case he had none. Everybody was behind him. Everybody was supporting him. He left (practically after 2-3 years) only because he didn't want to play for us. He preferred to play for another club and jumped at the first chance to do so (even though we managed to tie him eventually after his first jump to hold on to him for another season).

2/3 great seasons, thank you very much Ronnie. You're one hell of a player, and you might very well be a Madrid legend, but IMO, not a United legend.
By your logic Berbatov only 'practically' played 1 season for us.
 
By your logic Berbatov only 'practically' played 1 season for us.

Berbatov is not a United legend IMO. I'm talking here about the good/great years that would make somebody a legend, not the years we invest in him to make him a better player.
 
I would agree, but is anyone under 40 or 50 really qualified to talk about legends?

It's kind of in the definition.

No :devil:. So I know a legend when I see one - and I've seen a few at United, including our previous Ballon D'Ors.
 
Ordinarily, you'd have to rule out any player as legend who had 2-3 "great" seasons in the United shirt. But what a ridiculous 2-3 seasons Ronaldo had for us. He not only led us in terms of the stats you'd like to see in a forward, he also led us to multiple trophies...and not shitty trophies Liverpool would be happy to collect. Ronaldo led us to CL and prem trophies...and that strange "world club champion" trophy.

But yes, he did choose to leave us and that raises a legitimate question as to whether Ronaldo is a United legend. The glass is either half full (he's a legend because of what he did for United) or half empty (he left United too soon). The glass is half full. Cristiano Ronaldo: United legend.
 
Ordinarily, you'd have to rule out any player as legend who had 2-3 "great" seasons in the United shirt. But what a ridiculous 2-3 seasons Ronaldo had for us. He not only led us in terms of the stats you'd like to see in a forward, he also led us to multiple trophies...and not shitty trophies Liverpool would be happy to collect. Ronaldo led us to CL and prem trophies...and that strange "world club champion" trophy.

But yes, he did choose to leave us and that raises a legitimate question as to whether Ronaldo is a United legend. The glass is either half full (he's a legend because of what he did for United) or half empty (he left United too soon). The glass is half full. Cristiano Ronaldo: United legend.

The only ridiculous year was 2007-2008. In 2006-2007 he scored 17 goals in the league and 3 in Europe (total 20 goals in 45 appearances). In 2008-2009 he scored 18 in the league and 4 in Europe (22 goals in 45 appearances). Very good, we won the league in those two years as well, but not really ridiculous.

And by the way, half full = GREAT player. Full = legend. It doesn't have to be all or none (although that seems to be the typical caf mentality).

I understand though why many here want to feel that he's our guy, considering how great a player he is.. However IMO, it will always be: He played for us, but he can only be a Madrid legend.
 
I love him and I want his babies.

Failing that my daughter is his for a phone call.

This kind of posts are one of the reasons it's impossible to discuss about Ronaldo on caf.

Player who left us because he thinks some other club is better is considered as Manchester United legend.
I would uderstand if we are some shit team, but we are team that had so many great players over the years, I will never understand it.

Few questions for you who consider him as our legend, is Ahley Young Aston Villa's legend? Is Torres Liverpool's legend? Is Fabregas Arsenal legend? Is Eto'o Inter's legend? Is Zidane Juventus' legend? Is Yaya Toure Barcelona's legend?
 
This kind of posts are one of the reasons it's impossible to discuss about Ronaldo on caf.

I think he was being tongue-in-cheek mate.

Is Fabregas Arsenal legend?

I think a fair few remember him fondly and appreciate how much he did at the club. I'm sure the level-headed amongst them don't resent the fact that he wanted to return to his home club, the club that he was at as a child. And good as he was for them Fabregas was never a Balon d'Or-winning force of nature leading Arsenal to a CL trophy the way Ronaldo did for us.


You give 'practically 2-3 years' as a reason why Ronaldo cannot be regarded as one of our greats. When it is demonstrated how wide of the mark that was, you amend your original view, claiming that you only count a certain type of year towards whether or not a player can be great. You know, as opposed to the years when a young winger ripped apart every defence put in front of him and scored more than twenty goals to boot (normally regarded as a good haul for a senior central striker).

Face it, there's really nothing about Ronaldo's departure which precludes him from being regarded as a 'great' or a 'legend' or anything else along those lines based on the comparisons given - Cantona, Beckham, Best, Keane etc. Each new reason you've given has been thoroughly shot down.
 
This kind of posts are one of the reasons it's impossible to discuss about Ronaldo on caf.

Player who left us because he thinks some other club is better is considered as Manchester United legend.
I would uderstand if we are some shit team, but we are team that had so many great players over the years, I will never understand it.

Few questions for you who consider him as our legend, is Ahley Young Aston Villa's legend? Is Torres Liverpool's legend? Is Fabregas Arsenal legend? Is Eto'o Inter's legend? Is Zidane Juventus' legend? Is Yaya Toure Barcelona's legend?

zidane's best years were at juve, i think he is definitely a juve legend. nqat

if torres had left the country i think the vermin would consider him a legend.
 
I think he was being tongue-in-cheek mate.

I find it hard to recognize, because it's caf's regular post about Ronaldo.

I think a fair few remember him fondly and appreciate how much he did at the club. I'm sure the level-headed amongst them don't resent the fact that he wanted to return to his home club, the club that he was at as a child. And good as he was for them Fabregas was never a Balon d'Or-winning force of nature leading Arsenal to a CL trophy the way Ronaldo did for us.

I hate this argument, it's probably one of the most used on caf and is totally wrong. Winning champions league with some club doesn't make you legend, otherwise clubs that didn't win CL wouldn't have any legends.

Fabregas was one of the best players in the world while he was at Arsenal, and by miles their best player. And Ronaldo didn't win CL trophy all by himself you know. He would never won it playing for Arsenal, just like Fabregas never did.
 
zidane's best years were at juve, i think he is definitely a juve legend. nqat

if torres had left the country i think the vermin would consider him a legend.

Last time I checked, Real Madrid fans were also calling him their legend too, he was also for years after his retiremant there as their ambassador or something like that. Even he talked about Real Madrid like he is their legend.
 
You give 'practically 2-3 years' as a reason why Ronaldo cannot be regarded as one of our greats. When it is demonstrated how wide of the mark that was, you amend your original view, claiming that you only count a certain type of year towards whether or not a player can be great. You know, as opposed to the years when a young winger ripped apart every defence put in front of him and scored more than twenty goals to boot (normally regarded as a good haul for a senior central striker).

Face it, there's really nothing about Ronaldo's departure which precludes him from being regarded as a 'great' or a 'legend' or anything else along those lines based on the comparisons given - Cantona, Beckham, Best, Keane etc. Each new reason you've given has been thoroughly shot down.

Why are you avoiding the point then?

First of all he didn't score more than 20 goals in any of his first 3 seasons. In fact he scored a total of 27 goals in all three seasons in all competitions.

Second, don't go about vague terms like "great or legend". Ronaldo will most likely BE a legend, but the point is, he's not OUR legend. He left us before he even reached his peak! He only used us as a bridge, we're to him is like PSV Eindhoven to RVN.

If a Liverpool fan tells me that he considers Torres as their legend then I'll laugh my a$$ off at him, and Torres didn't even ask to leave himself, Liverpool chose to sell him! If every great player is considered a legend for every club he played for, then Ibrahimovic would be everybody's legend.
 
Last time I checked, Real Madrid fans were also calling him their legend too, he was also for years after his retiremant there as their ambassador or something like that. Even he talked about Real Madrid like he is their legend.

If Fabregas led arsenal to a CL/EPL double while being the best player that season, he would rightly have been considered an arsenal legend. Ditto for all those other players on your list. Ronaldo wasnt just another part of the team during his time here, he was the BPITW and an integral reason for our success. Thats why he is thought of being a legend. Vast difference between him and all the other players that you listed.
 
If Fabregas led arsenal to a CL/EPL double while being the best player that season, he would rightly have been considered an arsenal legend. Ditto for all those other players on your list. Ronaldo wasnt just another part of the team during his time here, he was the BPITW and an integral reason for our success. Thats why he is thought of being a legend. Vast difference between him and all the other players that you listed.

So Diego Milito is Inter's legend then...
 
I find it hard to recognize, because it's caf's regular post about Ronaldo.



I hate this argument, it's probably one of the most used on caf and is totally wrong. Winning champions league with some club doesn't make you legend, otherwise clubs that didn't win CL wouldn't have any legends.

Fabregas was one of the best players in the world while he was at Arsenal, and by miles their best player. And Ronaldo didn't win CL trophy all by himself you know. He would never won it playing for Arsenal, just like Fabregas never did.

Stupid logic. United aim every year for the CL. Ronaldo was probably the main reason we achieved it.

A club has a legendary player if he is excellent for that club within context, so for example, Chris Powell would be a Charlton legend as he consistantly helped them avoid relegation which is what they aimed for. United aimed for the CL and the league, Ronaldo was the main reason we won the CL and the league 3 years in a row. Yes he didn't win it all by himself, but we wouldn't have won it without him
 
Why are you avoiding the point then?

First of all he didn't score more than 20 goals in any of his first 3 seasons. In fact he scored a total of 27 goals in all three seasons in all competitions.

Second, don't go about vague terms like "great or legend". Ronaldo will most likely BE a legend, but the point is, he's not OUR legend. He left us before he even reached his peak! He only used us as a bridge, we're to him is like PSV Eindhoven to RVN.

If a Liverpool fan tells me that he considers Torres as their legend then I'll laugh my a$$ off at him, and Torres didn't even ask to leave himself, Liverpool chose to sell him! If every great player is considered a legend for every club he played for, then Ibrahimovic would be everybody's legend.

You're just making stuff up now. He did ask to leave, handed in a transfer request. and there is a big difference between signing for a rival in the same league rather than signing for a team we rarely face
 
Stupid logic. United aim every year for the CL. Ronaldo was probably the main reason we achieved it.

A club has a legendary player if he is excellent for that club within context, so for example, Chris Powell would be a Charlton legend as he consistantly helped them avoid relegation which is what they aimed for. United aimed for the CL and the league, Ronaldo was the main reason we won the CL and the league 3 years in a row. Yes he didn't win it all by himself, but we wouldn't have won it without him

Ibrahimovic lead more than one club to multiple championships (which was, within context, a great achievement for those clubs). Is he considered a legend for any of those clubs?
 
Ibrahimovic lead more than one club to multiple championships (which was, within context, a great achievement for those clubs). Is he considered a legend for any of those clubs?

Care to list one club of Ibra where he was the best player for three seasons? Two of which he was the BPITW and led his team to a CL and three league wins?

Danny, if a player leads a club to four trophies in five years then leaves will he be considered a legend?
 
feck him, he doesn't play for us through choice.

Thanks for the memories while you were here Ronnie, but I couldn't give a single shiny shit what he does anymore.
 
It is widely accepted that sneijder was the best player in that team not milito. Thanks for showing your knowledge of football or your bias/bitterness(?) in trying to prove a point though.

That's because you take your info from the transfer forum :lol: ..

Diego Milito:
Individual honors:
- 2010 UEFA Champions League Final: UEFA Man of the Match
- UEFA Club Forward of the Year (1): 2009–10
- UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
- Serie A Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
- Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10

Ok you embarrassed yourself a little there but it's ok.. You say Sneijder? So Sneijder is an Inter legend?
 
That's because you take your info from the transfer forum :lol: ..

Diego Milito:
Individual honors:
- 2010 UEFA Champions League Final: UEFA Man of the Match
- UEFA Club Forward of the Year (1): 2009–10
- UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
- Serie A Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
- Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10

Ok you embarrassed yourself a little there but it's ok.. You say Sneijder? So Sneijder is an Inter legend?

Yup the transfer forum made up all the anger about him missing the Ballon D'or shortlist as well.

Here is a quote from one of the resident redcafe muppets.

"As for Sneijder, I know that in Italy they are angry because he is not one of the finalists. I can only agree with them. The Dutchman has had a fantastic year-Xavi

I am surprised so many of redcafe tranfer muppets also pose as journalists seeing as sneijder had 320 points that year in the Ballon D'or running compared to the eventual winner milito...eh wait.

Fan's Man of the Match in the UCL final and in the UEFA team of the year and the UEFA midfielder of the year. I so hate being wrong sometimes.

Let see, did sneijder help inter win three trophies back to back and the CL? My memory is a little hazy so help me out here. If that inter team could have continued their performance with him being the star, then yes he would have been considered a legend. Maybe he already is by the inter fans, who knows.Although I doubt that as he only had one great season.

Still waiting for the response to my other post as well.
 
Yeah, fans' man of the match in the UCL final and the UEFA midfielder of the year are clearly much better than the ones won by Milito that year... Anyway.

Your question is not the reality. Tell the reality the way it is. It wasn't "led the team for 5 years". Let me refresh your memory..

Year 1: We're helping Ronaldo become a better player. He didn't have significant contributions to the team, we didn't win anything (significant).
Year 2: See year 1.
Year 3: See year 1.
Year 4: He had a good season (scoring 20 goals in 45 appearances in the PL and the CL). Helped us win the league.
Year 5: He had a ridiculous season. We won the double. He attracted Real Madrid's attention. He immediately asked to leave us. After VERY tough negotiations, he agreed to stay with us for ONLY one more year.
Year 6: He had a good season (scoring 22 goals in 45 appearances in the PL and the CL). Helped us win the league. Was on the first plane to Madrid after the season ended. He left us at the age of 24.
After that we won the league one more time and lost it by a single point and on goal difference on two other occasions, and reached the CL final one more time.

Thanks Ronnie, but we're not that desperate for a legend.
 
Did I say that ronnie led us to four titles? That was an example I gave to you, do you think if a guy leads a club to four trophies and leaves is a legend or not? Ronnie help us win three PL and one CL. He was our best player in two of those league seasons and got us to another CL final as well. Best player since george best was the phrase commonly used to describe him and thats why there is the hype about him. He was the BPITW while he was here and an integral part of our success. Add into the fact that he never disrespected the team AFTER leaving and you can see why he is consider a legend by some.

Edit- The only two awards that milito won, that sneijder didn't, were the Serie A football and foreign footballer of the year. Although I will bow down to your superior knowledge, I must have missed it when he was being talked of as the Ballon D'or Winner and the outrage(all cause by the transfer forum) when he wasnt included in the short list.
 
Or one who gave us all of his best years, and one who used us to get to spend his best years in his dream club, which wasn't Manchester United.

I'd much rather idolize Best than the 80 million pound Ronaldo left in our bank.

And before somebody (as usual) pushes it to the extreme opposite, Ronaldo is obviously one of the greatest players who played for us, and every United fan have many many fond memories of his time with us, but with the way he left, he will never be a United legend IMO, sadly. (Unless he decides to come back, which looks pretty unlikely).

United hardly got the best years out of Best. He should have been even better than what he showed, but stupidity got to his head and he lost his way as a player. The whole world should have been talking about the genius of George best on the same level as Pele and Maradona, but they don't and that is sad as a Manchester United fan because he was out own home grown once in a lifetime player.
 
Did I say that ronnie led us to four titles? That was an example I gave to you, do you think if a guy leads a club to four trophies and leaves is a legend or not? Ronnie help us win three PL and one CL. He was our best player in two of those league seasons and got us to another CL final as well. Best player since george best was the phrase commonly used to describe him and thats why there is the hype about him. He was the BPITW while he was here and an integral part of our success. Add into the fact that he never disrespected the team AFTER leaving and you can see why he is consider a legend by some.

Edit- The only two awards that milito won, that sneijder didn't, were the Serie A football and foreign footballer of the year. Although I will bow down to your superior knowledge, I must have missed it when he was being talked of as the Ballon D'or Winner and the outrage(all cause by the transfer forum) when he wasnt included in the short list.

So we're giving the legend status now after two years?!

I don't think being a legend only has to do with how many trophies you won. Or even how you acted after you left. Schmeichel joined City after he left, but I still consider him a United legend, because he gave us his best years, he didn't treat us as a feeder club for the "real clubs", and when people mention Schmeichel, they can only remember him in a United shirt, because he spent his best years when he was with us, that he became a symbol for us, and his image was attached to our club. THAT's a United legend. Ronaldo is a better player than Giggs, who never won the BPITW, but I have no doubt in my mind which of them is a United legend.

EDIT: For your edit: you missed UEFA club FOOTBALLER of the year (not only forward of the year). So he won the official trophy for best player in both Italy and Europe that year. And people were arguing for Sneijder for the Ballon d'Or because Holland reached the WC final that year.
 
So your only definition of the word legend is that the person has to give their best years to the club? And if you really think that the reason ronaldo is thought of in those terms is because of those two years this debate is pointless.
 
So your only definition of the word legend is that the person has to give their best years to the club? And if you really think that the reason ronaldo is thought of in those terms is because of those two years this debate is pointless.

Ummm, is it then because he's breaking records in La Liga with Real Madrid too?
 
Anyone who thinks that our first player after the holy trinity to bag the best footballer award won't go down as a club legend has a loose grip on reality. Even fans who are bitter towards him right now, won't be in another 10 years. In another 20, only his good times will be remembered fondly. I doubt any old United fan would be telling younger one regarding the 'I stay' summer rather than how a young talent grew up to be the best footballer at OT. Same one who competed with possibly the best footballer of all time. As someone said if Best was playing in this era and had ended his United career as he did then, bitter fans on the internet would be dissing him as well. Time to grow up.
 
Fair play to him, at least he is being honest. I have nothing against him, but it's the united fans who piss me off when discussing about Ronaldo, it's like they are talking about their ex boyfriend their still in love with.

Why wouldn't they talk in glowing terms about Ronaldo?

His name is being sung in every game, he has contributed so much to our success in the past. He's arguably the most talented player to grace our club.

He's an absolute legend.
 
So we're giving the legend status now after two years?!

I don't think being a legend only has to do with how many trophies you won. Or even how you acted after you left. Schmeichel joined City after he left, but I still consider him a United legend, because he gave us his best years, he didn't treat us as a feeder club for the "real clubs", and when people mention Schmeichel, they can only remember him in a United shirt, because he spent his best years when he was with us, that he became a symbol for us, and his image was attached to our club. THAT's a United legend. Ronaldo is a better player than Giggs, who never won the BPITW, but I have no doubt in my mind which of them is a United legend.

EDIT: For your edit: you missed UEFA club FOOTBALLER of the year (not only forward of the year). So he won the official trophy for best player in both Italy and Europe that year. And people were arguing for Sneijder for the Ballon d'Or because Holland reached the WC final that year.

I have to agree with this post. Skill wise Ronaldo might have been one of the best players this club has ever seen but he does not hold a legendary status such as the likes of Charlton, Cantona, Keane, Giggs, Scholes etc. The problem I have found on United forums is (this is not a slight on anybody) that a huge number of posters are very young and started supporting the club at a time when Ronaldo was in full flow and started to become this world class player. It is understandable to be enchanted by such a phenomenal player and to hold him at such a high esteem. Plus, it hasn't been long since he left. He is fresher in everyone's memory. You become more discernible as you watch a lot of sports and support teams for longer periods. Things become much different with a wider perspective.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.