That is broadly correct. I watched the Dortmund - Real Madrid game the other day, and the amount of diving by Dortmund was phenomenal. There was one particularly ludicrous dive by the otherwise excellent Marco Reus in the penalty box which deservedly earned him a yellow card. My point here is that even a team which people would not associate with widespread diving, can be guilty of it sometimes.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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That is broadly correct. I watched the Dortmund - Real Madrid game the other day, and the amount of diving by Dortmund was phenomenal. There was one particularly ludicrous dive by the otherwise excellent Marco Reus in the penalty box which deservedly earned him a yellow card. My point here is that even a team which people would not associate with widespread diving, can be guilty of it sometimes.
I sort of agree, everyone's at it. What I can't take is likes of FCBarca coming in and taking the moral high ground about it. Laughable.
This is apparently a game at a bar when clients have to jump as high as Ronaldo did vs Man Utd last season in the CL ( the ball was measured at 2.93m off the ground) to get some form of reward.
doesn't seem very impressive honestly. just that these people look on the slighter of size, and can't jump for shit.
i always grumble in annoyance when people lose their minds about ronaldo's jumping ability. in the scheme of general athletic ability, it's just not that impressive. i'll blame the fact that football is a midgets game in general and most people have no other context.
for a footballer, sure, incredible. that much can't be denied
i always grumble in annoyance when people lose their minds about ronaldo's jumping ability. in the scheme of general athletic ability, it's just not that impressive. i'll blame the fact that football is a midgets game in general and most people have no other context.
for a footballer, sure, incredible. that much can't be denied
What other context would you use to judge the ability to head a football?
And that is all that matters.
Unless Ronaldo is planning on becoming a basketball player, the first part of your post is meaningless.
weird thing to say. ronaldo or otherwise, anybody that has a vertical job of that height from pretty much a standing position is exhibiting incredible athleticism. like nba players, who actually rarely jump from static positions
do you really want me to post examples of the heights nba players can reach compared to ronaldo? don't ask me to do it. i don't want to derail the thread. i'm only making my own comment on that gif, which i've seen around for a while and always got annoyed of.
To do that and to head a flying ball in the air into the back of a net, beating someone in the process? It is goddamn impressive for a footballer.
i'm not talking about that, ronaldo's heading technique is out of this world. it's his vertical jump, the moments where he jumps over a midget like evra, or jumps over benzema, and everyone snickers like he just jumped over a bridge.
but you werent just commenting on that gif, you said
"i always grumble in annoyance when people lose their minds about ronaldo's jumping ability. in the scheme of general athletic ability, it's just not that impressive. i'll blame the fact that football is a midgets game in general and most people have no other context."
its not a point i care very strongly about but cristiano ronaldo is in fact, a footballer. and probably the best footballer in the world at that particular skill which has helped him score alot of goals. being the best in your field at something generally is impressive. its not as good as a basketball player, but the fastest footballer is no usain bolt. they can only be compared so much
That measurement is from a running position. Ronaldo's verticle from a static position is not very high. Not that there is anything wrong with it since most headers are executed with a running start. And to say that NBA players rarely jump from static position is a very ignorant thing to say. You must not watch much basketball. Lebron James,for example, would put CR7 to shame from any jumping position.
my above post
exactly.. i've never disagreed about that, in football he stands (sometimes literally) head over shoulders above almost everyone else.. but i DO see comments being made that are not only compared so much, stupid comments comparing him to other athletes, or GENERAL comments of athleticism. i've seen it here, i've seen it largely on any comments board and i just find it very very silly and that's my grudge.
Because so few can do it. That sets it out as a pretty remarkable ability for a footballer. If you're just talking then yeah I'm sure there are a few people who can jump a bit higher. I think it's the fact he can do it and seemingly hang in the air at that height and still direct it to goal is what really impresses.
ok i didnt want to get into anything much about this as its not something i care about hugely and nor am i a big ronaldo fan, but tests by the university of chichester in 2011 put ronaldos highest running vertical jump at 78cm, which is 7cm higher than the avergae nba vertical jump, i do not see how anybody saying that that combined with what he actually does at the top of the jump (head and fend off a defender) is athletically impressive. it really is.
I actually agree with that post.
I was disagreeing with your "nba player rarely jumping from static position" comment.
yes it was too sweeping a comment to make, but i imagine theyre at their highest when jumping off the back of a few yards run
1. That was Ronaldo's highest vs. an nba player's average. Still remarkable.
2. Jumping to head a ball is different than jumping with a basketball in your hand. It is much more difficult to jump high to dunk a basketball, than it is to head a football.
were doing exactly what i didnt want and comparing completely different sports (and your point is very arguable when youre talking about directing a header), but that was not ronaldos highest figure. the header against united was a further 2 inches higher than his average. posts like the one above about lebron james comfortably out jumping him are annoying though, of course he would hes arguably the best in the world at that sport! ronaldo would out "putafreekickinthetopcorner" lebron james, but what difference does it make.
I realty hope he is fit for Bayern and the run in for the ret of the season. Its good that we could beat barca without him, but we need to be at full strength for what could potentially be a big season. If we manage to beat Bayern we have to be favourites for the final and we still have a good chance in la liga but we cannot drop a single point I feel. If we win either the league or the champions league I would be absolutely delighted. Its crazy to think that even though we have not being playing brilliantly all season that we are still in all the competitions
I was actually just using James as an example. There are many average basketball players throughout history that have jumped higher than James. The best players do not necessarily win the slam dunk contest. Jumping ability does not make a good basketball player.
But I'll go ahead and take your advice and not make this a basketball vs. football player thread.
Ronaldo is the best in the world at what he does, and that is all that matters.
Ronaldo isn't that impressive at jumping because in general athletics he is not that special relatively? One of the most stupid things I've ever heard on this forum. Probably the most ridiculous.
No, that wasn't special, because other people can jump like that. All we can do is watch it, shrug our shoulders and say nothing interesting about it
I reckon you will finally get the CL again and get your 10th, whilst Atletico should win the league.
As United, sort of, showed, Bayern can be susceptible on the counter and against pacey players and that is what you guys do best.
He's a fecking machine he defies gravity.
On his jumping ability. All that I can think of when that comes up is his goal away at Roma in 2007/08. The way he attacked the ball, the ball from Scholes, it was such a great goal and obviously such an important one.
Not many basketball players could hit the hoop with their head even if they tried but that's what ronaldo virtually did (10')
And the average height of an NBA player is what 7' ? It's easy for them. I think an average height football player being able to jump that high is more than commendable.
I'm at the stage where I'm starting to dream about a treble this year.
i did a crude px measurement to translate the rough ratio of howard's height to benzema's height, howard is 2.11m vs benzema who is 1.84m. 1.84/2.11= ratio. ratio multiplied by px of howard=px of benzema. that's the smaller blue line. i found a png on google and changed the height to correlate. took about 5 minutes in total. ronaldo runs his knee over benzema's shoulders. Nate robinson who's 5 feet 9, runs knee's over nearly 7 feet tall dwight howard.
the average height of an nba player is roughly 6ft 7, or your average thibaut courtois/van der sar. unbelievably, there exist players (numerous) below 7 feet tall. Players the height of chris smalling would not look out of place in the NBA.
Also, being 7 feet and basically double the weight of ronaldo, does not make it easy to jump. funny enough, yao ming who was 7ft 7' had a vertical nearly equal to ronaldo's standing vertical despite weight 150 lbs more.
just a bunch of rubbish by the media. that's the average NO STEP VERTICAL.
hey, what was ronaldo's no step vertical? oh right, 44 cm, 'barely above the normal human average'. Then he took a step and used everything, reaching 30', or a decent 78 cm.
what's it like for the nba?
No step vert
PG: 29.4
SG: 29.7
SF: 29.7
PF: 28.5
C: 26.8
Max vert:
PG: 34.9
SG: 35
SF: 34.5
PF: 32.8
C: 30.7
that's right, centre's, players averaging 6ft 9? and what 250lbs, have a higher vertical leap on average then ronaldo. so people with 8 inches of height advantage, and pretty much 100lbs extra, still jump as high if not higher then ronaldo.
all the other positions average a good 5 inches higher then ronaldo. no contest. seriously, ronaldo's jump is just boring if you look even a little bit outside of the football pitch, which is all i'm talking about, and what i'm referring to, people who take ronaldo's athletic feats outside of football and still think it's at all some sort of measurement to be held against.
michael jordan who was 6 feet 6 (or about the height of van der sar) had a 48 inch vertical leap, or 121 cm. 121 cm vs 78 cm. which one looks bigger?
i didn't know 9 feet 6' suddenly becam 10 feet. a whole 6 inches (especially only a purported 6 inches) is quite quite far away from getting your head to the rim.
ronaldo is far behind an average level professional sprinter speed, he's far behind the average level nba player's jump. no shame in that. he's by far the best in both aspects in football. this is all shown plainly in his own documentary. i don't understand all of this silly wanking over these mythical (particularly chosen word) feats of ronaldo.
let's say 'wow i haven't seen that very much on the pitch' and move on. instead i see dozens and dozens of pages talking about ronaldo's jump. come on. this is really a bunch of nonsense.
remember, i said that i don't think ronaldo's feat is something that is outstanding in general athletics, and this is pertinent because people DO refer to it as being relevant or impressive in general athletics. I disagree and say so much, and i also include that there's zero denying that it's outstanding in football, by a distance.
it's utterly stupid and ignorant to say he compares to the speed of a sprinter or the jump of an nba player. so let's stop it. i keep seeing it in this thread and it's irritating as hell. there are other sports besides football, unbelievably.
spoilered to not derail the thread.
won the copa del rey, semi's of cl, favored to win the league, why not dream.I'm at the stage where I'm starting to dream about a treble this year.
Atletico have to drop two games for that to happen, and they are bang on the money to get 3 points at Camp Nou on the final day. Atletico have to win 3 of their four games, and they are champions.
atletico have the superior head to head right? so if tied on points it still goes to atletico? forgot about that. madrid's last run of games is by a distance the easiest and atletico has more of a chance at struggling with depth and consistency over the last few games.
i'd love to see athletico win a double, but they will really burn dry as the season comes to a close.
Atletico and Liverpool likely to win the title in their respective leagues. Did anyone predict this?
Not Torres anyway.
Yes, they have the superior head to head. Real have the easiest games for sure, but Atletico's schedule is not as bad as it looks on paper. Valencia and Levante would have been terrible propositions, especially away, but they are both without any real goals in the league right now. Will Real approach them behind the scenes? Maybe. Barca away in the last game will not do much if they cannot win the title which will probably be the case. Neymar and Alba are out for the rest of the season as well. Messi, if he has not had the World Cup on his mind up to now, he will definitely have it from now on, and the same applies for the rest of the Barcelona players who are all more or less starters for Spain/Brazil/Chile/Argentina. That is probably Atletico's easiest upcoming game. The fans will be cheering for Atletico goals in the Camp Nou if it will still be between Real and Atletico by then.
We have been saying that Atletico would burn out eventually since August, but the only noticeable difference for that team is that they have gotten better with time. They have to win 3 of the 4 games against Elche, Malaga home, and Valencia, Levante away. From those 4 teams, only Elche have something to play for, and even they wouldn't be sentenced if they lost at the Calderon tomorrow night.
Nonsense.
When you dunk you are targeting the rim, a stationary object. When you are heading, then you are targeting a moving object, which is much more difficult - particularly given you are trying to align striking the ball with the zenith of your jump.
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