Cristiano Ronaldo

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Danny1982 said:
I don't know what the argument is about, the vast majority of red cards Madrid got against Barcelona were fully deserved and can't even be debated, plus they should have had as many deserved red cards that were missed by the refs.

Every single team in the world gets help from the refs. Barcelona suffered too from refs' mistakes (I still remember they were denied two stonewall penalties in the last minute against Espanyol and Real Madrid last season, which led to them drawing the first and losing the second).

However, what's pretty obvious to me is that Barcelona has really toned down their diving/playacting in the last 2-3 years. Not saying they never dive now (as any other team in the world do), but it's noticeably less than 3 years ago. I don't notice such a change with Real Madrid.

What's also pretty obvious is that Real Madrid complain a whole lot more about the refs than Barcelona.

And by the way, in the last game Madrid has definitely out-dived Barcelona imo, but the ref was pretty good and didn't fall for most of them.
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i agree with you. i'm especially surprised with busquets... he hasn't really been a diver since probably the 2011 or 2012 season. He's really toned it down... alba on the other hand.. :lol:
 
Danny1982 said:
I don't know what the argument is about, the vast majority of red cards Madrid got against Barcelona were fully deserved and can't even be debated, plus they should have had as many deserved red cards that were missed by the refs.

Every single team in the world gets help from the refs. Barcelona suffered too from refs' mistakes (I still remember they were denied two stonewall penalties in the last minute against Espanyol and Real Madrid last season, which led to them drawing the first and losing the second).

However, what's pretty obvious to me is that Barcelona has really toned down their diving/playacting in the last 2-3 years. Not saying they never dive now (as any other team in the world do), but it's noticeably less than 3 years ago. I don't notice such a change with Real Madrid.

What's also pretty obvious is that Real Madrid complain a whole lot more about the refs than Barcelona.

And by the way, in the last game Madrid has definitely out-dived Barcelona imo, but the ref was pretty good and didn't fall for most of them.
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Yeah they probably have. Biscuits has improved, Alves and Alba have not really. Iniesta too takes an easy tumble every now and then. Ronaldo too has actually cut down his diving. He used to do much more with us. Anyone who thinks he dived for the pen is off his rockers. The only issue with pen was that it was out the box not the actual tackle.
 
crappycraperson said:
Yeah they probably have. Biscuits has improved, Alves and Alba have not really. Iniesta too takes an easy tumble every now and then. Ronaldo too has actually cut down his diving. He used to do much more with us. Anyone who thinks he dived for the pen is off his rockers. The only issue with pen was that it was out the box not the actual tackle.
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Not the penalty, but he definitely dived/playacted in a couple of other incidents.

In this video you can see 2 bad dives @ 1:30-2:05, and he also seems to throw himself easily into the ground @ 5:05.



EDIT: It looks like it's blocked on the caf (not sure why), but if you click "watch it on youtube" you can still watch the clip.
 
cristiano ronaldo would not save us. I think he'd struggle even. If this were the 2006/07 ronaldo we're talking about, of course he'd be a godsend. but not this ronaldo.
 
Malva said:
cristiano ronaldo would not save us. I think he'd struggle even. If this were the 2006/07 ronaldo we're talking about, of course he'd be a godsend. but not this ronaldo.
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Nope. Having some one with so much pace to burn would be an immediate asset.
 
you've not actually disagreed with me. of course he'd be an immediate asset, but i said he'd struggle, and i said he would not save us. he'd help us alot, but not save us. he'd also be much more limited then i think people are aware of in terms of versatility.
 
I always wondered if he promised them one more season, in the same kinda way as he did before he left us. I could also imagine he would love the challenge of getting us back to the top, it would do wonders for his ego.

I am as big a transfer muppet as they come though. Looking forward to Ronaldo day this year.
 
Malva said:
cristiano ronaldo would not save us. I think he'd struggle even. If this were the 2006/07 ronaldo we're talking about, of course he'd be a godsend. but not this ronaldo.
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Why not? He'd murder the league, which has probably gotten defensively weaker than the last time he was here. The man scores more than a goal a game.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Why not? He'd murder the league, which has probably gotten defensively weaker than the last time he was here. The man scores more than a goal a game.
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probably you know, but i just don't think from what i've learned watching ronaldo's habits and tendency's in getting so many goals as he's had, that he'd be of that calibre. neither do i believe we have the set up to replicate the luxuries ronaldo enjoy's at madrid, here we need right now someone with the ability to make something happen with the ball at his feet, and i don't see ronaldo as being comfortable with being or expected to exert effect from such a role. he's much more of a get on the end of a through ball or cross kind of a player these days.
 
CR7 has scored or assisted every 66 minutes for Madrid this season. Most incredibly he is averaging 2.13 goals/assists per game in the CL this season!
 
I have no idea why we didn't ask for a nice round £100million anyway. He's a rare talent, and the likes of him and Messi won't move around much. In today's transfer market, he most definitely should have gone for £100million. In hindsight, it's been more like £150million.
 
err... I know we are having a shite season... but surely we've sold over 350 000 versions of our new kit?
 
204Red said:
err... I know we are having a shite season... but surely we've sold over 350 000 versions of our new kit?
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Those numbers just sound wrong! So Ronaldo sold 1.000 000 shirts and all the other Madrid players only sold 400 000 together? And Messi, Neymar and Co. together only sold a bit more than Ronaldo alone? And how are we not included in that list? :confused:
 
Always felt it a was a really shitty deal for us and we negotiated really naively. Little money considering the impossibility of potential replacement. And we could have had world class players factored into the deal. We were bullied and we shat ourselves.
 
Danny1982 said:
I don't know what the argument is about, the vast majority of red cards Madrid got against Barcelona were fully deserved and can't even be debated, plus they should have had as many deserved red cards that were missed by the refs.

Every single team in the world gets help from the refs. Barcelona suffered too from refs' mistakes (I still remember they were denied two stonewall penalties in the last minute against Espanyol and Real Madrid last season, which led to them drawing the first and losing the second).

However, what's pretty obvious to me is that Barcelona has really toned down their diving/playacting in the last 2-3 years. Not saying they never dive now (as any other team in the world do), but it's noticeably less than 3 years ago. I don't notice such a change with Real Madrid.

What's also pretty obvious is that Real Madrid complain a whole lot more about the refs than Barcelona.

And by the way, in the last game Madrid has definitely out-dived Barcelona imo, but the ref was pretty good and didn't fall for most of them.
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Real complain more. That's certainly true. Barca do complain like maniacs if they're losing. They just rarely trail so you don't see it as often.

Saying that Barca have toned it down and Madrid hasn't sounds biased to me. 2-3 years ago and now, the same players are doing it. Either team has just sold/bought players that do it. I don't notice a significant change with any player. Di Maria is a weird one. In his first season he was probably the worst culprit of all the players. Now he seems to stay up a lot more. His role in the team has also changed so maybe it's got something to do with that, taking up more responsibility.

It such boring subject. These teams aren't any worse than many others around Europe. For me, Portuguese teams are generally the worst at this. Barca and Real, Barca especially, get kicked around a hell of a lot more than any other team. Going down easy from time to time is expected to follow. Understandable as much as we don't enjoy it. Personally it's the feigning injury that bugs me the most. Absolutely hate that. It's pathetic and by doing so you're trying to hurt the opposition more than thinking about your own skin. It's just so so, not manly. That's the first thing I'd like cut out of football.
 
If AS are correct, then him missing the Dortmund game was not "just a precaution" - he's injured. AS are convinced he'll miss this weekend's Liga match (Almeria) and think he'll probably miss the Copa del Rey final against Barca next Wednesday, and maybe even the first leg of the CL Semi-final (2 weeks away).

A lot of maybes in that sentence but the reporter running the story usually has a good idea what's happening with Madrid.
 
jojojo said:
If AS are correct, then him missing the Dortmund game was not "just a precaution" - he's injured. AS are convinced he'll miss this weekend's Liga match (Almeria) and think he'll probably miss the Copa del Rey final against Barca next Wednesday, and maybe even the first leg of the CL Semi-final (2 weeks away).

A lot of maybes in that sentence but the reporter running the story usually has a good idea what's happening with Madrid.
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Good timing, Real Madrid just released a statement confirming an injury...

No timescale or severity though.
 
How mint would it be if he scores the winner in Lisbon?
 
This is starting to worry me. Ronaldo usually arrives at the National team with a poor physical condition due to the intense demands of Real Madrid´s calendar. In some competitions we had to play him with small injuries niggling him which reflected on his performances. I just hope this injury is nothing serious. Without Ronaldo in decent physical condition, doubt we will go far.
 
Well, that's his problem. There was no reason for him to play return leg against Schalke, or meaningless game against Rayo which Real would win by 5 without him too anyway. Even back then they knew that he was struggling a bit with injury, but it was more important to bulk up his stats. so he played. And now it got to him.
 
Vato1979 said:
:( That's a big blow for us. Really hope Bale steps up, someone will need to find the net.
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Massive blow. The cup final will be much harder now. Barca are definitely the favourites now and they probably were before Ronaldo got injured too
 
Raul Madrid said:
Massive blow. The cup final will be much harder now. Barca are definitely the favourites now and they probably were before Ronaldo got injured too
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:lol: Did you even see us last night? Atletico could have been 3-0 up by the 15th minute or so, maybe earlier if I remember correctly. Only Alba, Neymar and Alves seemed to care. And why would you care about the cup right now? You have the god damn CL to play for. I would exchange positions with both Madrid teams right now.
 
Snow said:
Real complain more. That's certainly true. Barca do complain like maniacs if they're losing. They just rarely trail so you don't see it as often.

Saying that Barca have toned it down and Madrid hasn't sounds biased to me. 2-3 years ago and now, the same players are doing it. Either team has just sold/bought players that do it. I don't notice a significant change with any player. Di Maria is a weird one. In his first season he was probably the worst culprit of all the players. Now he seems to stay up a lot more. His role in the team has also changed so maybe it's got something to do with that, taking up more responsibility.

It such boring subject. These teams aren't any worse than many others around Europe. For me, Portuguese teams are generally the worst at this. Barca and Real, Barca especially, get kicked around a hell of a lot more than any other team. Going down easy from time to time is expected to follow. Understandable as much as we don't enjoy it. Personally it's the feigning injury that bugs me the most. Absolutely hate that. It's pathetic and by doing so you're trying to hurt the opposition more than thinking about your own skin. It's just so so, not manly. That's the first thing I'd like cut out of football.
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Probably. That's how I see it, but I can't say I'm 100% neutral. If you re-watch the last classico though, you can see that Ronaldo still had a couple of quite embarrassing moments. I'm not sure Di Maria has toned it down either.. For Barcelona imo Neymar and Alba are the worst right now. Compared to the last few seasons, Alves, Busquets, Mascherano, Pedro, ... have all toned it down imo.

However, normally I don't pay much attention to diving. I'm most of the time only replying to the people who are whining a lot about it. Personally I actually think diving is still a much lesser problem in football than trying to kick your opponent out of the game. I certainly prefer Ronaldo taking a dive here and there than somebody kicking Ronaldo and injuring him deliberately, which would deprive us from the joy of watching him in action.. 10 years from now I'm not watching players kicking their opponents whenever they got the ball, but watch the great moments players like Ronaldo produce. (I can see people disagreeing with me on this point, and I respect their opinion, but can agree to disagree).

I agree 100% with your last paragraph.
 
I'm sure they can count on the most expensive player ever to step up in his absence. At least the free kicks should be more dangerous.
 
Danny1982 said:
Probably. That's how I see it, but I can't say I'm 100% neutral. If you re-watch the last classico though, you can see that Ronaldo still had a couple of quite embarrassing moments. I'm not sure Di Maria has toned it down either.. For Barcelona imo Neymar and Alba are the worst right now. Compared to the last few seasons, Alves, Busquets, Mascherano, Pedro, ... have all toned it down imo.

However, normally I don't pay much attention to diving. I'm most of the time only replying to the people who are whining a lot about it. Personally I actually think diving is still a much lesser problem in football than trying to kick your opponent out of the game. I certainly prefer Ronaldo taking a dive here and there than somebody kicking Ronaldo and injuring him deliberately, which would deprive us from the joy of watching him in action.. 10 years from now I'm not watching players kicking their opponents whenever they got the ball, but watch the great moments players like Ronaldo produce. (I can see people disagreeing with me on this point, and I respect their opinion, but can agree to disagree).

I agree 100% with your last paragraph.
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Regarding Barca: I see them like this. As soon as they're trailing they start diving a lot more and whining to the ref but when they're ahead they don't do much of it (bar Alba for the most part). Thing is, they rarely trail so it's not a common thing to see. They do do it more to try and win rather than to just be a dick towards the opposition. I mean the amount of times they are kicked around you'd think they would dive a lot more if they are such big divers as many claim. Like I've already said I don't think they're any worse than most teams out there. It's a stupid and tedious thing to focus on when discussing football and it's either fan of one team that brings it up or people who barely watch them at all. The typical "Spain is a two horse race" commenters. I think the few Classicos in a row that were a real shitfest of football ethics a few years ago are still stuck in people's minds.

I've gotten a good luck of most games in the CL this season. I would definitely not put Barca or Real anywhere close to the top of cheating teams. That would be a ridiculous claim.
 
Snow said:
Regarding Barca: I see them like this. As soon as they're trailing they start diving a lot more and whining to the ref but when they're ahead they don't do much of it (bar Alba for the most part). Thing is, they rarely trail so it's not a common thing to see. They do do it more to try and win rather than to just be a dick towards the opposition. I mean the amount of times they are kicked around you'd think they would dive a lot more if they are such big divers as many claim. Like I've already said I don't think they're any worse than most teams out there. It's a stupid and tedious thing to focus on when discussing football and it's either fan of one team that brings it up or people who barely watch them at all. The typical "Spain is a two horse race" commenters. I think the few Classicos in a row that were a real shitfest of football ethics a few years ago are still stuck in people's minds.

I've gotten a good luck of most games in the CL this season. I would definitely not put Barca or Real anywhere close to the top of cheating teams. That would be a ridiculous claim.
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I think Mourinho had a lot to do with it. Barca's worst showings in term of diving/play acting came against Mourinho's Chelsea, Mourinho's Inter, and Mourinho's Madrid. Can't say it was totally limited to it a few years ago though.

I watched Barca's game against Atletico yesterday, didn't think there was any noticeable diving despite being down most of the game, and they were eventually knocked out.

Either way I think pretty much all teams cheat, when they get the chance. I think it evens itself out, which is why I always thought this is a pretty pointless subject to talk (and whine) that much about.
 
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