Cristiano Ronaldo
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Absolute travesty?
Reckon Totti should have won it in 06/07.
Reckon Totti should have won it in 06/07.
Well his only competition last season was Messi.
He performed well against Barcelona more than a couple times, won the league as well as scoring the game winner in Barcelona to basically clinch the league. He made the semi-finals of the Champions league, scored two goals against the finalists. Not to mention he had a very good European Cup.
On the other hand Messi scored a bit more goals for Barcelona but won only the league cup. He made it to the semi-finals of the Champions league as well but did not score against the finalists.
This year it will be Iniesta.
Sorry, I was just wondering whether you meant that there are players trying to imitate his style of play as a lot of what he does is very individual and hard to replicate without, among other things, being built like he is.
It won't be anyone other than Messi. He's the darling. You can hardly argue against him when he wins it either, it's that close.
Yeh I don't think I've worded it so good, I agree with what you say. His physical stature is more than definitely a huge example of why he is so good, he is so dynamic, and extremely powerful. There are many terrific technical players who can run with the ball at pace but they cannot match Ronaldo's combination of technique & athleticism.
Six years in English football made him. He developed his game and his physique and it's ripping La Liga's best to pieces. Phenomenon.
What a player he is. Even the buildup to the curler with him and Benzema exchanging passes was fantastic.
Personally, I think this year he should win the individual awards. Iniesta ahead of him is plain silly.
Personally, I think this year he should win the individual awards. Iniesta ahead of him is plain silly.
Indeed, there is so little in it and Messi finished 11/12 with 70 goals.
I do agree, but 'competitions won' should not be the deciding factor.
Otherwise Ramos or Arbeloa would be up there for winning what they did with Madrid, plus Spain! OK, exaggeration obviously, but I think you see my point.
There has become a big thing about the winner having won either an International or CL title.
But this looks like Ronaldo's best year since 2008. High praise indeed. Problem is, in Messi (particularly) and Iniesta, his competition is probably greater than in every - or most - other eras.
It was stunning. The right-back tried to take his legs off, too.
His third was also fantastic; he showed great pace and determination, then the through ball was behind him, which he brought forward on his right and dinked away with his left. All in the blink of an eye, it seemed.
Ronaldo is definitely better than Iniesta.
And I do think what you win does matter. Not in making the likes of Arbeloa Ballon' Dor winners but giving the very best an edge over one another.
Yes, he's better if you scored them out of 100, but Iniesta has had such a great year as an individual. Plus it's become a bit popular to say he's the best at the moment; a bit like when it became cool to say Xavi's the best. My point being that doesn't help Ronaldo with votes.
Yes, it matters, but - purely an example here - if Messi missed out on La Liga because of a Valdes mistake in the last game and it meant Ronaldo's Madrid prospered, I don't see that as Ronaldo holding much advantage over Messi. The POTY awards are about the individual. If the individual can influence a trophy, then all the better.
In Ronaldo's case, he very much influenced Madrid and Portugal this summer, so it's definitely something in his favour.
He will win the CL for that mob this season.
Yeah, I fancied they'd do it last but I think they're a year better off and they'll do it this time.
158 goals in 154 games
Ridiculous
Ridiculous
thats just fecking frighteningIt's got to be the priority given the success in La Liga last year, the difficulties already in catching up Barcelona this season, and the ten year gap since they last won the competition. Then again I'm not sure how much they've improved since Bayern deservedly disposed of them in April. Arbeloa looks like's he worked on his attacking game, which will make a difference given how poor he and Marcelo were with the ball compared to Lahm and Alaba in the semi. And the introduction of Modric and Essien adds a bit more depth to midfield, another area where they struggled against Bayern and would inevitably huff and puff against Barcelona. I suppose in a tournament like this, if you keep on knocking on the door, eventually you'll get through - much like United went close in the seasons prior to 1999 and Chelsea before 2012.
I agree. After the Euro performances it'll be him or Xavi. To be fair if Xavi got it you couldn't argue given the career he's had.
158 goals in 154 games
Ridiculous
To put that in some (contemporary) perspective:
since 2009/10
Lionel MESSI (ARG) : 178 apps, 183 goals, 69 assists (1.03 gpg)
Cristiano RONALDO (POR) : 154 apps, 158 goals, 35 assists (1.03 gpg)
Radamel FALCAO (COL) : 143 apps, 117 goals, ? assists (0.82 gpg)
Antonio DI NATALE (ITA) : 125 apps, 90 goals, ? assists (0.72 gpg)
Robin VAN PERSIE (NED) : 108 apps, 76 goals, 25 assists (0.70 gpg)
Mario GÓMEZ (GER) : 142 apps, 94 goals, 14 assists (0.66 gpg)
Wayne ROONEY (ENG) : 132 apps, 82 goals, 27 assists (0.64 gpg)
Edinson CAVANI (URU) : 140 apps, 88 goals, ? assists (0.63 gpg)
Zlatan IBRAHIMOVIC (SWE) : 137 apps, 86 goals, 41 assists (0.63 gpg)
Carlos TÉVEZ (ARG) : 103 apps, 60 goals, ? assists (0.58 gpg)
Roberto SOLDADO (ESP) : 131 apps, 75 goals, ? assists (0.57 gpg)
Samuel ETO'O : 141 apps, 79 goals, 30 assists (0.56 gpg)
Gonzalo HIGUAÍN (ARG) : 128 apps, 72 goals, 22 assists (0.56 gpg)
Sergio AGÜERO (ARG) : 146 apps, 77 goals, 28 assists (0.53 gpg)
Edin DZEKO (BIH) : 133 apps, 69 goals, ? assists (0.50 gpg)
David VILLA (ESP) : 125 apps, 63 goals, 21 assists (0.50 gpg)
Diego MILITO (ARG) : 133 apps, 66 goals, ? assists (0.50 gpg)
Karim BENZEMA (FRA) : 143 apps, 70 goals, 30 assists (0.49 gpg)
Fernando LLORENTE (ESP) : 149 apps, 72 goals, ? assists (0.48 gpg)
...
I've probably forgotten some obvious ones.
Anyway out of all these, the closest competitor in quantity and rate is Falcao. Interestingly most of them have at least 20 assists in that period too, Ibrahimovic being the standout there with 41.
Also, Marcos should be quite happy with this to support his Higuain>Benzema theory
To put that in some (contemporary) perspective:
since 2009/10
Lionel MESSI (ARG) : 178 apps, 183 goals, 69 assists (1.03 gpg)
Cristiano RONALDO (POR) : 154 apps, 158 goals, 35 assists (1.03 gpg)
Radamel FALCAO (COL) : 143 apps, 117 goals, ? assists (0.82 gpg)
Antonio DI NATALE (ITA) : 125 apps, 90 goals, ? assists (0.72 gpg)
Robin VAN PERSIE (NED) : 108 apps, 76 goals, 25 assists (0.70 gpg)
Mario GÓMEZ (GER) : 142 apps, 94 goals, 14 assists (0.66 gpg)
Wayne ROONEY (ENG) : 132 apps, 82 goals, 27 assists (0.64 gpg)
Edinson CAVANI (URU) : 140 apps, 88 goals, ? assists (0.63 gpg)
Zlatan IBRAHIMOVIC (SWE) : 137 apps, 86 goals, 41 assists (0.63 gpg)
Carlos TÉVEZ (ARG) : 103 apps, 60 goals, ? assists (0.58 gpg)
Roberto SOLDADO (ESP) : 131 apps, 75 goals, ? assists (0.57 gpg)
Samuel ETO'O : 141 apps, 79 goals, 30 assists (0.56 gpg)
Gonzalo HIGUAÍN (ARG) : 128 apps, 72 goals, 22 assists (0.56 gpg)
Sergio AGÜERO (ARG) : 146 apps, 77 goals, 28 assists (0.53 gpg)
Edin DZEKO (BIH) : 133 apps, 69 goals, ? assists (0.50 gpg)
David VILLA (ESP) : 125 apps, 63 goals, 21 assists (0.50 gpg)
Diego MILITO (ARG) : 133 apps, 66 goals, ? assists (0.50 gpg)
Karim BENZEMA (FRA) : 143 apps, 70 goals, 30 assists (0.49 gpg)
Fernando LLORENTE (ESP) : 149 apps, 72 goals, ? assists (0.48 gpg)
...
I've probably forgotten some obvious ones.
Anyway out of all these, the closest competitor in quantity and rate is Falcao. Interestingly most of them have at least 20 assists in that period too, Ibrahimovic being the standout there with 41.
Also, Marcos should be quite happy with this to support his Higuain>Benzema theory
The Messi/ Ronaldo stats have lost their power to astound, they're just playing a different game. Some of the others, though, are hugely impressive. Di Natale is way higher than I would have expected.
What's Torres'? Just for a laugh, like.
Yeah, he's somewhat benefitting from the time frame (2009/10 - present), because before he had never scored more than 20 goals in a season; since 2009/10 he's went 29, 28, 29 and currently 4. Quite strange he only turned this prolific after he hit 30 (he's now 34 years old I believe).
Didn't add him because... well, it's a list for prolific forwards
It's 136 apps, 48 goals since 09/10 (of which 78 apps, 17 goals for Chelsea), 0.35 gpg. Ouch.
hehe, I thought as much.
That's just sickeningly good.
Perez is an idiot if he thinks spending £56mill on a bit part player for them since joining is in any way ok.
Iniesta has had a great year and I prefer to watch him over the other Barca players, but Ronaldo's just too damn effective to not be better and not to have had a better year. But I agree with your point that there is a wave in favor of Xavi and the Spanish players right now and it will kill any small chance Ronaldo might have had to win the individual honors.
That's a good example and you definitely have a point, but for me it generally doesn't come down to an incident like that. Over 38 games if two players have been similar in terms of quality and one's team takes the honors his performance tend to have been more effective IMO in delivering points. Or maybe he struck a better cord with his team mates. Truth is, that guy would have been part of something more special that year and that deserves credit.
At the very least, Ronaldo actually delivered the killer blow and effectively put the title race to bed in the Classico. That in itself was a big reason for him being the league winner last season. Before that, Real were throwing the league away like we were.
He's scored now in six consecutive Clasicos. A new record.
He has now scored 9 times against Barca. Messi has 15 against Real.
He has now scored 9 times against Barca. Messi has 15 against Real.
He's scored 10 goals against Barça (4 in the league, 3 in the Copa del Rey and 3 in the Spanish Super Cup).
Messi has 17 against RM (2nd highest total in Clasico history behind Di Stéfano's 18)... 10 in the league, 5 in the Spanish Super Cup and 2 in the Champions League.
Additionally, Cristiano has no assists against Barcelona; Messi has 10 assists against RM, highest of all-time ahead of Molowny's 9 and Xavi's 8
Quite a turnaround as for a while he went through a period where he could do absolutely nothing against Barca.
Doesn't do it in the big games. My arse!
Yup. Can't trust "journalists" for shit. Made an exception this time because it was late and I was tired and of course they were wrong. I wonder if these football journos could keep a job in another field.
I can't believe he played on with a dislocated shoulder. Beast of a man.
that can't have been a dislocation
He sprained it.
He's certainly got the indian sign over Valdes now.
He's really exposed Barcelona's lack of a proper centre half pairing too, they just can't live with him.
No way was his shoulder dislocated though, he wouldn't have been allowed to play on with that and wouldnt have wanted too with the pain.
He's really exposed Barcelona's lack of a proper centre half pairing too, they just can't live with him.
No way was his shoulder dislocated though, he wouldn't have been allowed to play on with that and wouldnt have wanted too with the pain.
Sprain or no sprain he was immense last night. Both finishes for his goals were top drawer, absolutely pinged the pair of them low and hard into the net leaving Valdes no chance.
That Ozil's asist was great, and nice finish from Ronaldo, but it was easy one tbf.
Ozil was incredibly sharp wasnt he, i think he saw the run before I did and I had a view of the whole picture!
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