But he's not the best at what he does, are you saying everyone should settle for second best then?
Cristiano Ronaldo
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But he's not the best at what he does, are you saying everyone should settle for second best then?
Well it isn't. You sound bitter at somebody who dedicated himself to be one of the best in the world. You chose to ignore the meaning and talk bullshit. Well done.
I think he's upset about something else I may have said to him, ignore him, he's pointless.
Ronaldo's one of my favourite players, I think you need to ... chill.
I agree with that, he made it through hard-work and graft. He was a great talent but he was able to be this good because of the EXTRA effort he put in. He is a great example of hardwork and dedication to one's craft.
FFS his goals are a big influence in the game.
Tell me what other Real Madrid's player influence's the game more than him?
Who exactly would you compare him to...Messi maybe ?
Second greatest footballer ever? He isn't even the greatest Ronaldo ever. 
I am thinking of the biggest games and comparing him to past legends. He is clearly the best payer at Madrid, but he is not a great big game player, his influence and effectiveness diminishes in the bigger games. It is noticeable, I am not saying he never pays well in big games but more often than not his influence is not enough.
Not necessarily Messi, just great players who have also been big game players. He wouldn't be at the top of the list. I am not discussing his contribution as a player, that cannot be denied. I am thinking of his ability to show his class in the biggest and best games.
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If Christiano fecking Ronaldo is not influential enough....what makes the whole Manchester United Squad? Does Rooney, RvP influential enough in big games? More so than Christiano Ronaldoooo?
The very fact that he is playing makes the teams alter their formation, and if you don't take that as influencing.... I'm lost
Christ... good lord.... what are you having?
Seriously, did your ex keep a poster of him or something?
Read before you post, in comparison to past greats/legends. He is clearly one of the two standout players of his generation. He is not as good a big game player as the ones I mentioned. If his presence supposedly influences the game as much as you say, I only remember a handful of great big game performances from him since he moved to Real. He always scores though, in that regard he is extremely impressive, an amazing goalscorer and that team would not be as close to Barca as they have been without him. Someone posted earlier he could be on a team of great players, but he couldn't lead them. He doesn't have the standout big game quality to lead them imo. It's just a point on him, no player is perfect, it takes away nothing from what he hays achieved. I have no reason to dislike him, it's just my opinion. He is a great player to watch.
I don't think any of the teams Real Madrid lost to in the CL since Ronaldo joined them altered their formation because of him. At least, neither Dortmund, nor Bayern or Barca did in the last 3 years. And most of the smaller teams alter their formation or park the bus against all top teams, so that's not really anything special about Ronaldo. In fact, taking Alonso out of the game was the key to beat Madrid in the last years and even allowed the fullbacks on Ronaldo's side to contribute in attack, because him staying up and waiting for the ball isn't that dangerous if you control the midfield.
I agree. Ronaldo is a scorer (one damn scorer that is), but he's not a leader, and his playmaking abilities are very limited.. He doesn't generate offense for the team, he still needs their service, but when he gets it, he's deadly.
I don't think he performs differently in big games.
Any uploads of last nights documentary knocking about?
Generally I agree with you, however, when we closed Alonso out of the game it was essentially to cut the supply to Ronaldo, because it's very difficult to stop him if he is being provided for.
The best thing about the clubs you mention is that they don't change for anyone, Bayern didn't even seem to change for Messi so I'm not sure that tells us anything either. Other teams certainly adapt their style to counter Ronaldo more so than other player than the little Argentine so he must be doing something right.
The whole 'Ronaldo doesn't do it in the big games' is a hugely outdated and rather inaccurate view IMO.
I'm not saying Ronaldo doesn't do it in the big games, I don't think that's true at all. He plays the same way against anyone imo and his scoring rate shows that he can score against anyone.
I don't think the reason for taking Alonso out of the game was solely Ronaldo though. If he missed the game, the key to beat Real would still have been the same. Bayern for example also focused on limiting Pirlo's influence on the game in the quarter finals against Juve, not because their attack was stacked with individual quality, but because it's the best way to contain them as a team. I doubt that teams change their style more for Ronaldo than for Ribery for example, so I don't think it's anything special with Ronaldo in comparison to other quality wingers.
Yeah i'm sure you have watched the past legends play at a regular basis.
You're talking bollocks mate.
I disagree about Ribery, don't think opponents give him any where near the same respect they do to Ronaldo.
The Alonso, Pirlo point is a trend in modern football IMO, cutting off the playmakers. Even ones as average as Arteta have a man on them these days!
Maybe I'm a bit biased because of Bundesliga games in which he gets a special treatment quite a lot, but I can't think of many CL games against decent teams in which Ronaldo was treated anything different than Ribery against comparable teams either. What games are you thinking of?
None in particular really, just the general impression I get is that teams tend to dedicate a lot of effort into stoppng Ronaldo in comparison to other players, we tried to stick Jones on him in the CL for example, I'm not sure if Ribery would get the same attention. There's also examples when he played for us. Of course it could be because Ronaldo is out and out Reals main threat whilst yours is a lot more multi faceted, but overall I think it's more to do with Ronaldo installing more fear into the opponents than Ribery does.
"Cristiano Ronaldo has now scored 26 goals in his last 21 Champions League matches"
Machine.
"Cristiano Ronaldo has now scored 26 goals in his last 21 Champions League matches"
No wonder Bale is worth more, stats mean nothing.
"Cristiano Ronaldo has now scored 26 goals in his last 21 Champions League matches"
Behave! There will be few here out to get you pointing out how he is flat track bully and did f**k all against Dortmund, so it doesn't mean anything.
Take Xavi and Iniesta from the game and Messi will not be as dangerous as well and Bayern did exactly that they made sure Messi wouldn't get the ball and force him to go back and get the ball.
Xavi's hasn't been anywhere near the player he was for 2 years now and Iniesta always goes in fits and starts so thats crap.
He did get their only away goal against them though.
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I would suggest that always scoring is a pretty good indication that he is influencing a game. Maybe it doesn't show up in the ebb and flow of the game, but it certainly does on the score sheet.
Also, you say yourself that you can a remember "a handful of great big game performances" from him since he moved to Real.
Which other players in world football can you remember more "great big time performances" from in the past few years? Am genuinely curious.
He is not as accomplished in big games as Zidane, Xavi, Messi, Ronaldinho. Kaka even Gerrard at his best.
I'm talking the last 10-15 years not the 60's or anything. Ronaldo is not in the top tier of big game players. He is not a poor one but not a great one either, he is average.
Ronaldo has scored in almost every cup final he has played in, scores game winning goals over and over again and he isn't a great big game player? The guy scores whenever he wants.
SO basically if you score you've had a good game then? He scores all the time, personally I look for more than him just notching a goal in the big games. He's too good to settle. He seems to have the mentality of, 'once I have scored I can say I did my bit'. He had a few great big game performances last year but say Gerrard's game against West Ham or Zidane's against AC or even Messi's against us in 2011, Ronaldo has NEVER had that level of influence.
Ronaldo was basically this influential during all of his best seasons at United between 2006 and 2009, he was a game changer. He's not replicated this at Madrid in spite of being a goal scoring machine.
LMAO at Kaka being a better big game player than Ronaldo.
And dont just say names give me examples of big games where they were great.
Naming players is easy but you have to back it up with facts.
So you only have one example for each player?
And West Ham FFS. I dont care if its a cup final but West Ham are still a small team, awful example.
BTW almost all the players you have mentioned play in the center are involved in the thick of things and almost everything has to go through them so of course they will have more influence in their teams game play, you need to compare Ronaldo with players that play in his position.
Also Germany's former striker Gerd Muller scored in almost every big game he played on and in almost every final he played not only for Bayern but also for Germany by your logic he wasnt a big game player cause all he did was score goals.
Just say "I dont like Ronaldo" and move on cause this discussion is getting ridiculous.
I can not believe what I'm reading here.
So you prefer a player that creates opportunity but it's not necessary if they score. So therefore if they create chances but the game ends in zero goals and they lost they still had a good game ?
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