Cristiano Ronaldo

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That I simply cannot agree with.

When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo after his career, they'll talk about Ronaldo the goalscoring phenomenon, who averaged a goal a game at Real.

They won't talk about Ronaldo the exciting winger who became the world's best player at United under SAF's guidance.

That for me is why he won't ever be a United legend, because it was all about him - he didn't give a feck about United. For him United were a stepstone.
 
marjen said:
That I simply cannot agree with.

When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo after his career, they'll talk about Ronaldo the goalscoring phenomenon, who averaged a goal a game at Real.

They won't talk about Ronaldo the exciting winger who became the world's best player at United under SAF's guidance.

That for me is why he won't ever be a United legend, because it was all about him - he didn't give a feck about United. For him United were a stepstone.
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YAWN.
 
Yawn all you want, you condescending twat. "Argument over, bye bye."

What makes a player a club legend or not is fans and their perception of a player. For me Ronaldo was always a hired gun, with the sense that he didn't really want to stay for the long haul lurking over his entire spell here. And so it proved.
 
:lol: feck me bitter much?

He came here as one the worlds most talented youngsters, we nurtured that talent but he also put a fecking lot of hard work into it. Every interview with any player or coach has him as the hardest trainer at the club.

He gave his all for us, and is rightly one of our best ever players. Even as a Manc, if Real Madrid came calling .. even I knew id only be there for a few seasons, I'd be going. Don't think a lot of people realise the size of that club, let alone for Iberians. He left on good terms with the management, players and staff, still talks very highly of not only the club but the city and the vast majority of fans are proud to have had such a player play for us.
 
marjen said:
Yawn all you want, you condescending twat. "Argument over, bye bye."

What makes a player a club legend or not is fans and their perception of a player. For me Ronaldo was always a hired gun, with the sense that he didn't really want to stay for the long haul lurking over his entire spell here. And so it proved.
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Are you still here? This is a thread about Ronaldo, you don't like him, so, off you go.
 
Starkie_1 said:
:lol: feck me bitter much?

He came here as one the worlds most talented youngsters, we nurtured that talent but he also put a fecking lot of hard work into it. Every interview with any player or coach has him as the hardest trainer at the club.

He gave his all for us, and is rightly one of our best ever players. Even as a Manc, if Real Madrid came calling .. even I knew id only be there for a few seasons, I'd be going. Don't think a lot of people realise the size of that club, let alone for Iberians. He left on good terms with the management, players and staff, still talks very highly of not only the club but the city and the vast majority of fans are proud to have had such a player play for us.
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marjen said:
That I simply cannot agree with.

When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo after his career, they'll talk about Ronaldo the goalscoring phenomenon, who averaged a goal a game at Real.

They won't talk about Ronaldo the exciting winger who became the world's best player at United under SAF's guidance.

That for me is why he won't ever be a United legend, because it was all about him - he didn't give a feck about United. For him United were a stepstone.
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People will definitely forget about the chapter where he won the WPOTY, European Cup, European Golden Boot, 3 EPL's, FA Cup, World Club Cup and countless other personal awards while he was with us. Just that bloke from Real that won a La Liga trophy and scored lots of goals, isn't he?

Anyway, doesn't it make your point a bit moot that that is the reason you don't want him back here? If he came back here this year, aged 28, he could continue to build on that Legacy. Mark Hughes had a fantastic second spell with us and you could argue he's a club legend.
 
Zen86 said:
Your not much of a United fan if you would bugger off to Madrid for the sake of a couple seasons.
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Absolute fecking bollocks.

Why wouldn't I be a United fan for wanting to play my football in a different culture, learn a new language, experience something completely new and test myself in a new league? Footballers are just that...... Footballers.
 
marjen said:
Yes.

None of which sulked their way to a payday during their stay.
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What?

George Best point blank refused to play, you even had the great man having to admit they didnt even know where the feck he was on a match day when he was named in the team.He was off shagging a model.

As I said before in this thread, in my view hes the best to ever play the game, and is very much a legend of the club, but he treated this club far, far worse than ronnie or rooney for that matter.

Time dulls the bad, so all we will remember is the good, which is why both ronaldo and rooney will be remembered as club legends.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Absolute fecking bollocks.

Why wouldn't I be a United fan for wanting to play my football in a different culture, learn a new language, experience something completely new and test myself in a new league? Footballers are just that...... Footballers.
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And United fans are United fans. I'd be quite happy winning trophys and competing at the highest level with my boyhood club, as would most others, actually.
 
Legends are the ones you're going to bore the kids and the grandkids about as they point out the next big thing. "He's not a patch on... I remember his debut... Now there was a winger.... Could head like a centre forward too, a proper one, not like these..."

Well, you know how this works. It's a matter of individual preference. So yeah, he'll always be a legend to me. along with Bestie who I also like to bore people by reminiscing over.
 
Zen86 said:
And United fans are United fans. I'd be quite happy winning trophys and competing at the highest level with my boyhood club, as would most others, actually.
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Each to their own. Wouldn't say you staying at the club your whole career makes you a bigger United fan. Is Giggs a bigger United fan than Beckham? How do you judge that.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Each to their own. Wouldn't say you staying at the club your whole career makes you a bigger United fan. Is Giggs a bigger United fan than Beckham? How do you judge that.
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Touche, but I do think Beckham wished things had gone differently.
 
marjen said:
That I simply cannot agree with.

When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo after his career, they'll talk about Ronaldo the goalscoring phenomenon, who averaged a goal a game at Real.

They won't talk about Ronaldo the exciting winger who became the world's best player at United under SAF's guidance.

That for me is why he won't ever be a United legend, because it was all about him - he didn't give a feck about United. For him United were a stepstone.
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Bollocks. A stepping stone? Nobody has ever used Man United as a stepping stone. The smaller EPL teams are stepping stones for a future move to teams like United.

Not a United legend? Again, bollocks. The guy was unbelievable for you and is the best player the club's ever had.
 
marjen said:
That I simply cannot agree with.

When people talk about Cristiano Ronaldo after his career, they'll talk about Ronaldo the goalscoring phenomenon, who averaged a goal a game at Real.

They won't talk about Ronaldo the exciting winger who became the world's best player at United under SAF's guidance.

That for me is why he won't ever be a United legend, because it was all about him - he didn't give a feck about United. For him United were a stepstone.
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If people remember a season from Ronaldo so far, it won't be any of the ridiculously high-scoring fare at Madrid. It will be the 07/08 season with United where he was beating entire defences on his own, the best player in the world, the most exciting player in the world to watch, scored 42 goals (in a league where that's a good sight more difficult than La Liga), and, perhaps most importantly, won the Champions League.

What has he won at Real to make his time there memorable? One league title, one cup title, and the Supercopa once. Hardly awe-inspiring.
 
Damien said:
It isn't that exciting. He was in the newbies under the name addernoire, was banned, came back as Proud_Lyon and was undiscovered for a few months. Earned a lot of rep points and was close to being promoted before being found out. His rep was then put in the minus figures (think he was on 126 points and it was changed to -126). He then earned more rep points and eventually was promoted.
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On the contrary, someone actually found out who I was within a few weeks. As for the rest of the post, you are correct.

@One Night Only.
Why Cristiano "must" stay at Real Madrid. It is simple, because it is the club of his dreams, and even though he has had his fair share of hard times with the falling out in the dressing room, I think he is adult enough to say, that with a new manager, life could get even better for him at Real Madrid and for that, I hope he does really well. We don't have the right to stop people from realising their dreams, so we can only offer our best wishes for the path that he has chosen.
 
Exactly, anyone who has followed his career throughout would never rule out his United days years from now while remembering him. No chance. People forget that while he has upped his goalscoring he's also lost few if his attributes that made him really exciting to watch. For example he was a times better dribbler at United and could beat players with ease, something that has gone to the dogs now. His goal record over there is phenomenal and he has a few La Liga records to his name but his United stint wasn't just "nurturing him into the superstar he became at Madrid", in fact he achieved his biggest trophy here, won the league three times in a row and was the best player in one of the best teams to play in the PL and the CL.
 
Pink Moon said:
Bollocks. A stepping stone? Nobody has ever used Man United as a stepping stone. The smaller EPL teams are stepping stones for a future move to teams like United.

Not a United legend? Again, bollocks. The guy was unbelievable for you and is the best player the club's ever had.
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That's highly debatable.
 
Odd one from the ESPN guy

Tommy Smyth ‏@TommySmythESPN 4h
I have said ll along that Ronaldo would end up back at Old Trafford .Who is laughing now.


Why would he be so ludicrously smug? You'd be this smug after it happened maybe!
 
I don't think anyone will forget Ronaldo's time at United seeing as quite possibly his only Ballon d'Or will have been here but I do think his goal-a-game record at Madrid will be the first thing that pops into most people's minds.
 
Brwned said:
I don't think anyone will forget Ronaldo's time at United seeing as quite possibly his only Ballon d'Or will have been here but I do think his goal-a-game record at Madrid will be the first thing that pops into most people's minds.
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Yep. Unless he did come back and keep the same goalscoring rate.

Our mate Tommy seems to think it's so ON that he's making smug comments. Incredible...
 
Brwned said:
I don't think anyone will forget Ronaldo's time at United seeing as quite possibly his only Ballon d'Or will have been here but I do think his goal-a-game record at Madrid will be the first thing that pops into most people's minds.
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We will never forget what he did for us in his time, but I do have to agree that when they are going to talk about Ronaldo when he retires (should he retire at Real Madrid), they will simply talk about his records, his statistics, everything else is just a bonus, it is what he has done to get the awards that will be talked about most.
 
The Don said:
You're spouting absolute bollocks. Ronaldo made Ronaldo the player he is, through his unbelievable dedication to improving himself and his fitness. He would have become this good at any top flight club. His last season with us produced how many goals and assists? Not bad for sulking, I'd say. That man carried our team for about 3 years and was a pleasure to watch for the rest of the time.

Club Legend. Up there with the best players to have ever pulled on the shirt.
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This.

Gotta agree with The Don here.
 
Ronaldo is a 'Club Legend', whatever the feck that means. However I do get marjen's point. Ronaldo was not as likeable as a Scholes or a Keane.
 
Rowem said:
Ronaldo is a 'Club Legend', whatever the feck that means. However I do get marjen's point. Ronaldo was not as likeable as a Scholes or a Keane.
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Ronaldo has been much more respectful towards the club and SAF than Keane since he left.
 
He's up there with the best without a shadow of a doubt. His goal scoring record at United was absolutely sensational, and he practically won us games single handily at times. When the big moments came around he delivered, and he was a pleasure to watch throughout his time at the club. His goal in Moscow was one of the best I've seen.

It's fantastic to look back at his career at United. To see him turn from a skinny, teenage winger with raw potential into a physically imposing goal scoring winger/centre-forward is quite humbling to be honest and he did the majority of that on his own back. Obviously he had a great deal of support from the club as any player would, but any coach or senior player will tell you that he worked as hard as any player at the club and it paid off.

As I say, one of the best.
 
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