Bale's 12/13 was quite similar to Ronaldo's 06/07 in terms of development and the impact he had on the Spurs team. That's the similarity.
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Bale's 12/13 was quite similar to Ronaldo's 06/07 in terms of development and the impact he had on the Spurs team. That's the similarity.
Ronaldo was influential in a title winning side that also went to the CL semi finals and only lost to the CL winners. Bale lead the team with probably the 5th best squad in the league to a 5th place finish and went out against Basle in the europa league. Bale's impact 12/13 comes way short in comparison to Ronaldo's 06/07, imo.
2006/2007 comparison you mean? In 07/08, Ronaldo climbed a couple of levels and pretty much terrorized defenses all season long.
He had an average at best, start to the season and an excellent second half of the season. People are over-stating it for some reason. He was very influential after Christmas and changed a number of games by himself however he still has it all to prove before he can be mentioned alongside Ronaldo (even 06/07 Ronaldo). We are yet to see whether Bale can consistently do what he did in the second half of the season firstly over a complete season, and secondly season after season. He also needs to be doing it for a club challenging for titles, cups and playing in the CL. At Bales age Ronaldo had won domestic cups, multiple titles and the CL here with us. Staying with Tottenham at this stage of he's career seems pointless, he needs to test himself at the highest level, against the best players in the world.
United's squad then was better than Spurs' squad though, we're talking about 2 individuals and how they developed at similar stages of their careers. I don't think anyone in their right mind would say Bale is close to Ronaldo in terms of ability yet, but watching him last season at times reminded me a bit of early Ronaldo.
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Playing for spurs not United though. Spurs are a great team but there's less pressure
I agree. I thought Bale's season is similar to what Reus did last season with Gladbach. Carrying a 2nd tier club in attack, a few game changing goals, a few outstanding performances, a few spectecular goals, overall of course a great season with an outstanding run for a few months. He needs to take the next step, if he wants to be one of the best, which means either becoming the main man at a top club or carrying Spurs to a league finish above expectation or a cup win.
What a load of nonsense. I don't think Bale is anywhere close to Ronaldo's ability but that is such a moot point. "Less pressure", do you think every time a player picks up the ball it runs through his mind how many people are watching, how many fans are expecting and what prize is at stake?
You could argue it was easier for Ronaldo to perform with the defense he had behind him and players he had beside him.
Maybe United 06-07 had better players than Spurs 12-13? Put Ronaldo 06-07 in this Spurs team and he wouldn't have won them the league or whatever it is you expect Bale to do.
I've always that Ronnie would come back, I still do.
And please stop comparing Bubbles to him
And please stop comparing Bubbles to him
Ronaldo did his stuff largely from wide left/right though which is what made it extra special. Bale had done the majority of his in 12/13 from upfront where you'd expect someone in a top 4 competing squad to get a good return and be in a position to have maximum influence.
Ronaldo is hard to mark he is always on the move and the way he is marked is nowhere near Messi. Ronaldo was putting in superior performances in a better team against better opposition. He has Ronaldo-esque's tall, strong, fast, free kcik scorer, good shooter and a finisher. Though he is not the aerial threat Ronaldo is he is not a both footed and he has not reached Ronaldo's consistency level he has brought it week in week out for about the last 6-7 years.
This is where people take it too far. Yes, he's not on the level of Ronaldo yet and he's nowhere near, but at the same time you can't deny he had an excellent season. There's no doubt he's a quality player now; he doesn't need to prove that to us next season. He needs to continue playing like he has been to stay among the batch of top players you'd group him into, but he doesn't need to prove that he's there. Secondly, he could stay at Tottenham and still do that. He's playing for a side challenging for the CL in a top league, not a mid-table side like Fulham or Stoke.
Some people here have baffling attitudes regarding what Bale should do. They think moving abroad is stupid, he can't become a top player until he leaves Spurs, and that he's a money grabber if he goes to City or Chelsea. Basically, the only move he should make is here and if he doesn't then he's either a money grabber or doesn't have ambition.
Neil Custis is really scraping the barrel now , claiming that United will use SAF to lure Ronaldo back to OT.
Madrid wanting Bale is the only thing that really makes me stay positive with Ronaldo returning.
There is no way Madrid, or Ronaldo specifically, could handle having both players in their team. Bale wants to improve as a player, and Ronaldo being there will restrict that. They're both similar players in style, potentially too similar to have in the same team. Both will want to take freekicks and both will want to be the main-man for any team.
Ronaldo's ego won't allow that. Not criticizing him, but he needs to be the best in a team to thrive in my opinion.
I do think that Madrid will use Bale coming to dampen the anger/sadness of losing Ronaldo. Am I saying that Bale is better than Ronaldo? No fecking way. But Bale is definitely following the correct path of becoming the best player in the world one day. I mean, he's only 23! Who knows how good he can be in 5 years time?
There is no way Madrid, or Ronaldo specifically, could handle having both players in their team. Bale wants to improve as a player, and Ronaldo being there will restrict that. They're both similar players in style, potentially too similar to have in the same team. Both will want to take freekicks and both will want to be the main-man for any team.
Ronaldo's ego won't allow that. Not criticizing him, but he needs to be the best in a team to thrive in my opinion.
I do think that Madrid will use Bale coming to dampen the anger/sadness of losing Ronaldo. Am I saying that Bale is better than Ronaldo? No fecking way. But Bale is definitely following the correct path of becoming the best player in the world one day. I mean, he's only 23! Who knows how good he can be in 5 years time?
It's not nonsense. It happens to be true. Do teams try harder against United or Spurs?
Winning is winning but if you can beat the top team it's a bigger scalp. I'm not saying Bale is this or that, but there is absolutely nothing to state he would bring that form to United.I expect he would, but would he hit those same heights? We actually played to Ronaldo's strengths in the end but does bale have the same ability? It's not proven. We'll certainly know more by the end of next year but right now? It's an insult to Ronaldo to even compare him. Bale wouldn't go to spain and have basically a 1 in 1 goalscoring record lol
At Spurs, he's developed but if he's to play for United or a Madrid, he'll have to live with a price tag of +50million. Not everyone can do that. You might think it's simples, but it ain't.
It's not nonsense. It happens to be true. Do teams try harder against United or Spurs?
Even if that is true, it's balanced out by the fact that if Bale was here then he'd be surrounded by a better team which generally create more chances and would be able to give him more of the ball. I don't want to take this too far off topic though by continually talking about Bale.
At the end of the day if you could buy Ronaldo or bale for 80 million - who'd you buy?
But anyway, I think Ronaldo will sign a new contract. Which club though? At the end of the day if you could buy Ronaldo or bale for 80 million - who'd you buy?
Ronaldo of course, anyone would be silly to say otherwise. That doesn't mean that Bale isn't a fantastic player though.
In today's twitter news:
It's obviously a code
Superman = SAF
ManofSteel = Moyes
It's on.
Meanwhile he's keeping himself bulked up for those wet Wednesdays in Stoke.
It's obviously a code
Superman = SAF
ManofSteel = Moyes
It's on.
Meanwhile he's keeping himself bulked up for those wet Wednesdays in Stoke.
No anyone saying otherwise would have their reasons. One is turning 24 the other 29 that is 5 years difference for two players who have physical gifts that set them apart who would you expect to be the better player in 4 years time? Ronaldo would give you 2-3 years of top quality football Bale 7-8. He is already one of the best players in England and Europe it is not as clear cut as you think. You want value for your money and Bale gives you more value than Ronaldo. Though Ronaldo has more quality.
I'm not sure you actually read what I wrote. I said in my post that I thought Bale had an excellent second half to the season but I don't think the first half was anything to write home about and I stand by that. He could indeed stay at Tottenham but they'd need to improve the quality and depth of players around him if they're realistically going to challenge Arsenal to get into the CL which seems unlikely since they're looking to trim the squad to offer Bale more money to stay (and arsenal are looking to sign better players in this window). I also didn't say that he needs to move to prove himself but rather that a move to a club challenging for honours and playing in the CL would take him to that next level.
In reply to your second paragraph I'm not of the opinion that Bale needs to come here or that he'd be a mercenary for going to City or Chelsea or even that he shouldn't go abroad. Obviously as a Manchester United fan I don't want him to go to City or Chelsea though but that's quite irrelevant. I just think staying at Spurs wouldn't be the most progressive option in terms of his career.
Maybe Ronaldo doesn't know he has retired. Honestly that has been the same thing we have been hearing for a few weeks.
Ronaldo texting his 'come and get me' plea to Moyes:
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I've them shorts.
Why?
'Cos Ronaldo does. Obviously.
One journalist is seriously reaching now on Talksport. He claimed that Fergie organised the build-up of the United/Madrid match at Old Trafford. Apparently Fergie made it so that away teams line-up would be announced second, with Ronaldo at the end. He wanted to pull at Ronaldo's heartstrings according to this journalist.
Christ....
Christ....
He probably did. An over emotional Ronaldo doesn't play as well as a raring to go one.
Hes saying it because of this article from yesterday http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...rguson-started-lure-Ronaldo-Old-Trafford.html
Although I think the real reason we changed it was so that Ronaldo could get a special reception and maybe it just might put him off his game a bit, which it seemed to judging from his first few touches. I think allegations of it being some kind of attempt to lure him back are far fetched.
Yeah, I heard something similar at the time, except then it was to use the crowd's reaction to psych Ronaldo out. Little did we know we were already laying the groundwork for transfer muppetry.
They had a similar amount of goals, but the impact on the team and the amount of assists was completely different. Many games this season bale didn't do much apart from score the goal, and that was usually playing behind the striker. He still doesn't get many assists either, for someone who likes to call himself a winger. Ronaldo had 23 goals and 20 assists that season, leading united to a title and champions league semi final, while bale led spurs, arguably the 4th or 5th best squad to a 5th place finish, and an exit to Basel in the Europa league. He hardly did anything in the first half of the season and there was nobody raving about him until he started going on that scoring run around Christmas time. He carried them in the second half of the season wi his goals, not his overall play though. There weren't all that many games where he terrorized the opposition all game long, like Ronaldo did throughout that entire season.
It's ridiculous to compare the two really, bale is and always will be much worse then Ronaldo, who has much more to his game. The only thing bale has on par with Ronaldo is shots from range pretty much, and their speed. Ronaldo's ability on the ball is miles better then bales.
Well, we did do all of that. Of course, chances are far more likely that we did it to put Ronnie off his game -- which it did, for a while -- rather than to lay down any transfer muppetry groundwork, but we did move the order of the names so that he was last.
You make a good point that Ronaldo's older and doesn't have long left, and despite his blistering pace, he's got a lot more to his game which means I think he'll remain world class for the next 4-5 years. As much as Bale may be for longer, I'd still go for Ronaldo because while Bale's a top player, he's still nowhere near as good as Ronaldo is. Plus, the question asked which one would you sign for £80m. In today's transfer market, Ronaldo is worth £80m while Bale still undoubtedly isn't worth that much.
It is much more clear cut then you think obviously. Ronaldo gets twice as many assists and more then twice as many goals as bale, playing more as a winger then bale does for spurs. Bale is a great player no doubt, but with Ronaldo we are talking about one of the best ever and bale will never get close to him.
Also Ronaldo is 28, while bale is turning 24 in a month. 4 years difference, not 5. Regardless, the way Ronaldo looks after himself, I can still see him being world class at the age of 33 at least, and even after that he will be a fantastic player for sure.
Bale is younger but has loads to do before he's up to Ronaldo's level. Ronaldo can get you 40-50 goals from a wide position. Bale got 20 as almost the further forward player. Ronaldo can come in and we can keep RVP and Rooney in the team, albeit Rooney would probably have to adapt his game again. Bale comes in and you're either hoping he can do the same from out wide or you're swapping him for Rooney or really changing his position. And that's before talking about Bale at least needing to double his return to match Ronaldo.
Personally I'd prefer Ronaldo on the basis that he's already a United legend. It's fair enough comparing him and Bale in terms of stats and who's likely to perform for longer but I think there's a place for sentiment too, we're football fans after all. I was really disappointed when Ronaldo left as he was one of our best ever players and a genuine United icon. How often do we get to bring back a hero?
It's hardly fair on bale to compare their stats, let alone their general play. Ronaldo hasn't scored less then 50 goals in a season since 09/10, and gets over 20 assists every season, while bale just got 25 or so goals with 10 assists at most. At is a ginormous difference, especially when you consider that Ronaldo plays as a winger and bale got those goals playing behind the striker for the most part as the main man at spurs.
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