Editorial from As, source is the Mirror although the last sentence may explain how Cristiano sees things.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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Editorial from As, source is the Mirror although the last sentence may explain how Cristiano sees things.
He will be at his peak for 2 more years. After that how he ages and adapts is anyone's guess there is no one to compare him to physically to see how he will age but athletes ALWAYS start to decline in their early 30's he will be at a good level but he still has a lot of quality but 50-60 million for two years of his peak doesn't seem worth it to me. Ronaldo for all his qualities does not strike me as a player who can drop deep and be exceptional in his 30's he couldn't even do that now.
I can never understand people worrying about the money end of things. If we spend that much on him but you think he's worth more in the region of 30 -40 million why would you really care about that extra 10 or 20 million If we get him? I know you think (wrongly in my opinion) that he has only two good years left him but even if that was true it would be an amazing two seasons. Let the board worry about the finance.
I have no interest in the money end of things, we're not going to go into receivership because we spend slightly over the odds for one of the best players in the world
No, because you're telling them what they should think. You've been on the forum 5 months how the hell do you know what posters believed when he left? You're being a bit foolish. People were saying the same shit as you when Van Persie was linked. Truth is not one person here knows what the club want or are trying to do. You're the one pretending like you do know.
You're talking about 5 years down the line. What competitions could he potentially help us win? Which players might be attracted to United if it happened? There are a ton of variables but there are absolutely more pros then cons. Even if in 4/5 years - he loses it. He turns crap. Right? What if we've won everything? Who will give a shit? The reality is the now and Ronaldo now would be second only to Sir Alex returning. That's how big it'd be and I'd even wager we're get to another European cup final in that time.
Some people are almost underestimating how good Ronaldo can be when he's at his best. Yes, he may be quite reliant on his pace but that doesn't mean he's limited to it or will have a massive decline once his pace begins to go.
For example, the post using examples of other players when they lost a yard of pace uses Gerrard; now, I rate Gerrard and often find him to be underrated on here, but when both at their very best Ronaldo is still a long, long way ahead of Gerrard. Ronaldo's the sort who when he retires is going to go among the all-time greats. Not quite GOAT level like Messi, but he's the sort who will be up there with some of the best. That's how good he is.
He may not be as good with the football as players like Zidane and Xavi, but he's still excellent on it. His dribbling and close control are superb, and he may find it strange adapting when he can't use it to fly past players, but that's not going to suddenly disappear. He's still going to be a great player on the ball when he loses his pace. As well as that, he's clinical in front of goal and that's unlikely to change. Hell, you could probably use him as a fairly immobile target man and he'd still bag plenty of goals because he's so good at heading the ball and at scoring goals.
Yeah, he may only keep this current level for a year or two, but that doesn't mean he's no longer going to be a top quality player as soon as he hits 30. He will be and I reckon he'd have enough to give us 4 or 5 great years. Personally, I don't buy into him returning and I think the likelihood of it happening is almost non-existent, but we'd be crazy not to spend on him and buy someone like Bale instead for a similar price.
For example, the post using examples of other players when they lost a yard of pace uses Gerrard; now, I rate Gerrard and often find him to be underrated on here, but when both at their very best Ronaldo is still a long, long way ahead of Gerrard. Ronaldo's the sort who when he retires is going to go among the all-time greats. Not quite GOAT level like Messi, but he's the sort who will be up there with some of the best. That's how good he is.
He may not be as good with the football as players like Zidane and Xavi, but he's still excellent on it. His dribbling and close control are superb, and he may find it strange adapting when he can't use it to fly past players, but that's not going to suddenly disappear. He's still going to be a great player on the ball when he loses his pace. As well as that, he's clinical in front of goal and that's unlikely to change. Hell, you could probably use him as a fairly immobile target man and he'd still bag plenty of goals because he's so good at heading the ball and at scoring goals.
Yeah, he may only keep this current level for a year or two, but that doesn't mean he's no longer going to be a top quality player as soon as he hits 30. He will be and I reckon he'd have enough to give us 4 or 5 great years. Personally, I don't buy into him returning and I think the likelihood of it happening is almost non-existent, but we'd be crazy not to spend on him and buy someone like Bale instead for a similar price.
Am I? I'm not the only person saying he shouldn't come here for the price it would cost. Also where have I said what the club should do I have only ever discussed my opinion and debated mines against others nobody can speak for the club as much as we may feel we can. Where have I told people what to think other than in direct discussion with people who debate his transfer with me? All I said was in a debate don't over exaggerate his skills to get your point across he is great enough without that. I wasn't on here for the Van Persie deal but even at face value it is far more logical than Roanldo coming here at this stage. Van Persie said he wanted to leave AND he was making a step UP from Arsenal to us. I don't know what posters believe. I know what United fans believed when the rumours came out and since it is a United forum and we all generally want the same for the club I can make an educated guess, don't sit there and say when the papers said he was leaving initially you where agreeing of course you would call bs any clubs fans would when their best players is concerned.
This is an baseless attack in all honesty. I have debated what I think would make sense I always write imo because that is all you can talk from people will agree others won't. You are clearly a Ronaldo fan but point out these posts where I am telling people what to think or what the club will do. Your clutching at straws. I try and discuss the factual merits of the transfer from my POV I have never told anyone to do what I say or agree with me.
Why where fans laughing when City supposedly payed 30 million for Navas or that they payed 30 million for Navas. You don't usually stand by and laugh when you think your club is doing bad business. Just because we have the money does not mean it should go to a player who will not give your your investment back imo a 28 year old Ronaldo what you would get back for him at that price is not worth it. We can use that money to buy 2/3 quality players who will improve the team overall for the next 5-10 years. We are league Champions with a few of our best players having so so seasons with individual improvement from them we should be able to maintain a challenge. We almost knocked out Real who had Ronaldo on their team. So the team needs 2 or 3 players to improve our quality and we will be back among the very best teams in Europe. An amazing player if he was 25/26 I would be all for it actually. I just don't feel we need him as much as others feel we do. I said 2 peak years not 2 good years. Like I said at the right price I'm all for it.
I have an interest in the money end and general well being of the club even if you don't. You give us 60 million to sign him if you don't care? Being a fan of a club is about more than caring about wining we should care about the well being of the club and what it stands for not wasting money especially since owners bought the club with debt it is even more important.
Tbh no point really arguing its all opinion if he comes here he comes here and I will support him and the club if that is what they want to do but my hope are not up at the moment. How will you guys feel if he doesn't come and just signs a new deal at Real? just curious.
He's 28, FFS, not 48.
How will I react if he signs a new deal at Real? It's what I assume he's going to do anyway, so there won't be any surprise on my side. Still, it's nice to dream of his return for a bit.
No need to make out that just because I don't take an active interest in the price of players or that I'd have no problem with the club paying slightly over the odds for Ronaldo means that I don't care about the financial well being of the club. Ok so this is obviously your main problem with this transfer. You have a point, I would probably like to see that too rather than spunk it all on one player. It's just this one player is Ronaldo and it's very tempting to forget about any other players we might need.
We don't need him back but fecking hell I imagine it would be very hard for Moyes to say no if he wanted to come back.
What do you think is the right price?
Seriously, Bale could walk under a bus tomorrow and Ronaldo's dodgy ankle could get collapse next time he dives off his holiday rental speedboat. You pays your money and if you're lucky you get what you pay for.
So far all of Ronaldo's buyers have got their money's worth. Madrid and us (maybe) want another bite at the cherry - and not entirely for pure footballing reasons in either case. Ronaldo himself knows his next contract is almost certainly his last serious one - it has to suit him financially and in a football sense, just like it has to suit the clubs.
Madrid are going to have to bend and grovel a bit to keep him, that's the nature of a negotiation. I must admit I can't help but see United as playing the role of WUMs, and good on us if that's the case, it's fun to watch Madrid squirm.
So far all of Ronaldo's buyers have got their money's worth. Madrid and us (maybe) want another bite at the cherry - and not entirely for pure footballing reasons in either case. Ronaldo himself knows his next contract is almost certainly his last serious one - it has to suit him financially and in a football sense, just like it has to suit the clubs.
Madrid are going to have to bend and grovel a bit to keep him, that's the nature of a negotiation. I must admit I can't help but see United as playing the role of WUMs, and good on us if that's the case, it's fun to watch Madrid squirm.
Going to be a lot of disappointed Kermits I think
Yes because the future of any club is ALWAYS important especially a club like us who invest in youth. United is an attractive club with or without Ronaldo big players where coming here before he was here and have done since he left. He has won one major title at four years in Madrid ut sure he will come to a more competitive league and win everything. It is better to improve in multiple positions than just to sign Ronaldo imo. 3 quality players are harder to keep out of a game than one. You can wager what you want no doubt he will improve us but we already league champions unless he actually brings the champions league he would not have been wroth it. Bayern will still be better than us and so will Barca so it's not as easy as you think. He had a great Real side and couldn't reach a final.
Hahahahaha I know he's 28 but my points are still valid he is at his peak and a decline will occur after 30-31 or do you think i'm making that up. I would love him to come back too but all those saying they would pay 60-80 for him for me is over the odds.
Your points are only valid if your predictions are true. And we don't know that. How Ronaldo will decline over the years is anyone's guess. We bought RVP at 29 for a handsome fee. Would you call that a bad piece of business?
Regarding your other point, we ain't Stoke City. We already have plenty of first rate players. Ronaldo won't come in as the sole diamond in a trunk of shite. He'd be the icing on the cake - and one hell of a cake it would be too.
I don't understand why he's suddenly going to lose his physical edge at 30/31. He's always shown himself to be someone who takes ultra care of himself and whatever else people say about him he has always been considered as a top trainer. There's no reason he can't have at least another 5 years of top performances and even as a slower player his clinicalness/aerial ability will stand him in good stead. Throw in his marketability and paying top money for him makes perfect sense. I'm not saying it will happen but if anyone could get him for 60m or so, barring any injuries which is a consideration for any transfer, you'll be getting a hugely popular and marketable player who can reasonably get you a ton of goals for at least the next 5 seasons or so.
Compare to Bale and you're looking at supposedly a similar fee for a player who may be younger but has a huge amount to do to get to that level and has only been shown to do it in a more forward role than Ronaldo and is currently much less known.
Compare to Bale and you're looking at supposedly a similar fee for a player who may be younger but has a huge amount to do to get to that level and has only been shown to do it in a more forward role than Ronaldo and is currently much less known.
After what I saw with Giggsy and his 'forever young' attitude, Ronnie, without bigger problems can play to age of 35 and I wish him that !
Would hate to have him back to be honest, we should be looking to the future.
If we were to sign one of the best players in the world then surely we'd be looking to the future in that he'd massively improve the team, and therefore our chances of being successful? You're only refusing to move into the future if you're trying to sign an old player who isn't going to actually improve for nostalgia's sake. Ronaldo would massively improve us and the fact he's played here before doesn't change that at all.
As I've said I don't think we'll get him at all, but for hypothetical discussion's sake, I don't really understand people who wouldn't want us to buy him. Don't get me wrong, I find the love in for him a bit nauseating when he was happy to walk away from the club to Real Madrid, but he's still a brilliant player and if you could sign him you'd be silly not to.
Mental. Completely mental.
Some seriously bizarre arguments in this thread...the man guarantees you a goal every game and has been the second best player in the world for the past 5 years. Sign Ronaldo, we'd win the league by January and instantly become one of the favorites for the CL, it really is that simple.
Would people oppose signing Messi at 28 as well?
Would people oppose signing Messi at 28 as well?
Ok so this is obviously your main problem with this transfer. You have a point, I would probably like to see that too rather than spunk it all on one player. It's just this one player is Ronaldo and it's very tempting to forget about any other players we might need.
We don't need him back but fecking hell I imagine it would be very hard for Moyes to say no if he wanted to come back.
What do you think is the right price?
Now 35-45. But it would cost more to get him. Up to 50 I wouldn't feel like it's robbery but 60 for him is too much.
hahahahah you said you didn't care about the money side that's why I said that. I think 60 million is 15-20 over the odds enough to get in Thiago so not little money to me. Now 35-45. But it would cost more to get him. Up to 50 I wouldn't feel like it's robbery but 60 for him is too much. I agree he would improve the team and be tempting but even with him there are teams still better than us.
Nike would propably have a global orgasm, if Ronaldo would be seen, running in Nike shirt, every week, again.
True but I think there is more logic on the fact that he will physically decline at 31 than there is he will remain at this level until 35. He would be he first player to ever do it. Also there is a big gap between 24 million and 50-60 million it would cost for Real to sell him. I would grab Ronaldo at that price a year from now. I didn't say we where bad but we have more weakness than spending 60 million on one player we need 2 or 3 players. We are already league champions, I would rather improve a few positions than just buy one player for that much.
Some of the comments exaggerate much?hahahah.......
Fair enough though, you would rather get Thiago and one or two others than just Ronaldo. I understand where you're coming from but maybe we have enough funds for both. Personally I've never gotten excited about possible transfers but this one I'm making an exception
It really is strange that so many seem to think buying a 28 year old, who happens to be one of the - undeniably - most effective and dangerous offensive players of the past couple of decades, would somehow make us regress as a team, not looking towards the future, etc.
What is this, really? Some kind of twisted pride? We shouldn't let him come back because he once preferred to leave for pastures greener - or not even that, just a new challenge, at his supposed boyhood club, etc.?
I don't think he'll sign for us - no. And I think we're more than capable of doing well without him. But the arguments made here against the deal are not very impressive - not even very rational.
What is this, really? Some kind of twisted pride? We shouldn't let him come back because he once preferred to leave for pastures greener - or not even that, just a new challenge, at his supposed boyhood club, etc.?
I don't think he'll sign for us - no. And I think we're more than capable of doing well without him. But the arguments made here against the deal are not very impressive - not even very rational.
If we do I would love to see Ronaldo back here but i'm not with this move heaven and earth to get him back brigade.
Most arguments against bringing Ronaldo back can be quashed by reminding people that Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia regularly start for us. It'd be somewhat hard to justify the notion that replacing either of them with Ronaldo would somehow make us regress.
unless he is struck by some kind of weird injury, ronaldo is going to play well into his mid 30s. this guy is the ultimate professional. his training regime is second to none. he turns out with tight pink shorts on his holiday, but when football matters, he means business
My point exactly, heard people complain about it hindering other's time, it will only do that to players that aren't good enough to get in the team, I don't want a team of mercenaries, but I certainly don't want us giving more time to some as they happened to grow up locally or be with the club longer.. Welbeck comes to mind, as is, on the wing he would see his appearances limited IMO, but that for me isn't a reason not to try for CR
Personally, I think Ronaldo will be at his peak for a long time. Has any player been in the shape and fitness of Ronaldo, I'm not so sure.
I expect Ronaldo to break the expected limitations of most footballers when age is involved and be a great athlete for the next 5 years at least. Even if he loses some pace, he will still be quicker than most. He will still be stronger than most. He will still have that fantastic leap. He will still have a better weak foot than most people's favoured foot.
His history of injuries (lack of) and his dedication suggest to me he is no more of a risk than the younger talents out there.
I expect Ronaldo to break the expected limitations of most footballers when age is involved and be a great athlete for the next 5 years at least. Even if he loses some pace, he will still be quicker than most. He will still be stronger than most. He will still have that fantastic leap. He will still have a better weak foot than most people's favoured foot.
His history of injuries (lack of) and his dedication suggest to me he is no more of a risk than the younger talents out there.
So when's his medical?
Get the sheet ready.
Is Ronaldo really that reliant on pace? He's quick but he's hardly blistering past players these days like Bale. He jumped over Evra's head about 3 months ago, he's not going to decline suddenly without any injuries (like his dodgy ankle)
The way Ronaldo looks after himself I don't think it's even a question to say he'll be one of the best 5 players in the world for the next 5 years and "just" a very good player for another 3.
Hell with his movement, finishing and general intelligence (even with diminishing physical attributes) at 33-35 you could put him as a number 9 and he'd score regularly.
Hell with his movement, finishing and general intelligence (even with diminishing physical attributes) at 33-35 you could put him as a number 9 and he'd score regularly.
I know this isn't a "widespread" opinion, and I'm not saying in the least that this is going to happen, but it could turn out in a couple of years that Zaha will get better than Bale just like Ronaldo turned out better than Ronaldinho even though the latter was the more sought after player and it looked like we fecked up by not signing him. (still would've loved to watch him in his glory years in a red shirt, and I doubt Ferguson would've let Ronaldinho let himself go like that)
And on topic, yes, Bale as good as he is will need to do a lot more in order to be even slightly considered on the same level as Ronaldo, he has a long way to go to say the least, Ronaldo is basicaly the complete forward, there's not a single aspect he doesn't posses that a forward needs (and excells at it)
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