In other words, you can't refer to any such examples because they don't really exist.
Ok.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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In other words, you can't refer to any such examples because they don't really exist.
Ok.
Just what I said, Real was set up to bring the best out of his scoring ability and hope that's enough to win games, not to bring the best out of the team. And somehow I get the feeling Mourinho thought it could've been more than that after all his comments, but yeah, can't prove it of course, so no further examples from me.
Just what I said, Real was set up to bring the best out of his scoring ability and hope that's enough to win games, not to bring the best out of the team. And somehow I get the feeling Mourinho thought it could've been more than that after all his comments, but yeah, can't prove it of course, so no further examples from me.
I can't understand if you think he did or didn't execute his managers game plan.
I don't think you really know either.
Only God knows.
I think both things are possible.
Mourinho set his team up to get Ronnie into good goal scoring positions by playing him on the left, where he would usually be in a good shooting position when he got the ball and by strikers dorping either deeper or moving wider to create space for Ronaldo.
Non the less Mou might have demanded of him to help more defending, just the way it is at Bayern where everyone needs to defend, no matter if top goal scorer or not and Ronnie probably didn't care for that too much.
I think if you read between the lines he is saying "we did everyone for Ronaldo to score a shit load of goals but he didn't care much for helping the team by following the tactical plan".
Well that is at least what I took from his words.
Mourinho set his team up to get Ronnie into good goal scoring positions by playing him on the left, where he would usually be in a good shooting position when he got the ball and by strikers dorping either deeper or moving wider to create space for Ronaldo.
Non the less Mou might have demanded of him to help more defending, just the way it is at Bayern where everyone needs to defend, no matter if top goal scorer or not and Ronnie probably didn't care for that too much.
I think if you read between the lines he is saying "we did everyone for Ronaldo to score a shit load of goals but he didn't care much for helping the team by following the tactical plan".
Well that is at least what I took from his words.
Yeah, sounds like that to me, too. I really only was curious if all the criticism we heard from Mourinho towards Ronaldo over the last weeks changed his opinion. It didn't, I don't understand it, but fair enough.
I honestly don't know, that's why I never stated something like "he executed his plan to the tee". I think no player ever manages to do that over the course of a season (most of the time not even for 90minutes) and when a team clearly struggles several times and one great player stands out with a lack of team work during these games, it's weird to suggest that's exactly what the manager wanted him to do. It's possible, of course, but very likely?
Didn't they have a spat in 2007? Can't remember why but it was when Ronaldo was with us and Mourinho with Chelsea.
Seemed to get along great together at Real and now they're not in the same team it's gone tits up again.
Seemed to get along great together at Real and now they're not in the same team it's gone tits up again.
Mourinho clled him a peasant
I believe Mourinho insinuated he was stupid thanks to his poor upbringing, or something like that.
Edit: Here it is!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-451591/Ronaldo-uneducated-sneers-Mourinho.html
Sir Alex had the sense to allow special players (Ronaldo, Cantona etc) to decide things for themselves, even if those decisions appeared to be selfish; but SAF knew that such players, no matter how egotistical they might seem, would benefit the team greatly if they were content. And as Gary Nev remarked recently, Ronaldo knew what was best for him - and therefore, the team - regardless of conventional thinking or training standards.
It's easy to sympathise with Mourinho at first glance, as it appears Ronaldo was merely being stubborn & resisting team-orders...but, unlike José, SAF instinctively knew when a player's footballing intelligence & knowledge of his own strengths and weaknesses should be given priority. As an aside, it says much about SAF's opinion of Rooney's motives in matters like these that Sir Alex thought he knew better than Wayne in spite of the player's own opinions.
It's easy to sympathise with Mourinho at first glance, as it appears Ronaldo was merely being stubborn & resisting team-orders...but, unlike José, SAF instinctively knew when a player's footballing intelligence & knowledge of his own strengths and weaknesses should be given priority. As an aside, it says much about SAF's opinion of Rooney's motives in matters like these that Sir Alex thought he knew better than Wayne in spite of the player's own opinions.
Sir Alex's way is not the only way to do things Mourinho likes to run a more disciplined teams tactically like the likes of Cruyff, Guardiola, Capello etc. when they see a player not doing what they want they are not happy. If the way his player is playing is not getting the team to win there has to be a problem with it. Ronaldo scored 55 goals and they won NOTHING that for me is pointless it looks good but you are in the game to win.
I don't get the argument that Ronaldo is above blame because he scored so much. At times you find Ronaldo is not involved as much as he should be. It is much better for him to get 35-45 goals yet be more involved in helping his teammates score and make things happen from deep. Ronaldo is content to score loads of goals. He relies on his teammates making things happen for him and since he is not a no.9 I think he should be more involved in the build up. He has the ability to beat players and make things happen from deep he should use it.
3 hours till he signs
Heh.
JaffyJoe said:
All that's fair comment, mate. I suspect though, rightly or wrongly, that the José/Cristiano relationship was never going to be close unless things went perfectly well for Real. When things go badly for José, it sometimes leads to him dividing the squad into 'enemies' & 'allies,' and this, I feel, pissed Ronaldo off in the latter stages of Mourinho's Real management.
a new deal with R.Madrid
I agree his style does lead to falling out with his first team and if he intends to stay at Chelsea long term he will have to change it. Some managers are so intense they cannot stay with the same group too long.
But for me his comments are more telling in terms of Ronaldo I have always felt at times he doesn't do enough but people fail to see that at times because he scores so much. Few managers would criticize a player who has scored 55 goals most fans would think what else do you want? But there is more to the game than scoring and Ronaldo at times lacks in these other departments. Ronaldo is out for personal glory as much as team glory which is most likely why he did not want to change his game.
I think Mourinhos made it clear that the way Ronaldo played, with no responsibility to track back or play too deep, was an idea devised by him and Ronaldo. So when I hear people, you, criticising him for playing in that way it makes me laugh, he's just playing in tune with the game plan. Any criticisms of the game plan need to be directed to the manager, not the player who you can't expect to take it upon themselves to abandon tactics and start tracking back and playing in an deeper role. What he was asked to, he did incredibly well, as Mourinho even admitted.
It's just an very odd criticism. It would be like criticising Rooney for staying wide on the left during 07/08, it's the managers decision and he played it very well!
The problem is that neither you nor anyone else who wasn't working under Mou in the last three season has any clue what the dispute is about, we can only guess.
What he said also sounds a bit contradicting but might have been lost in translation.
For me indicates that the team was setup to support him as the main goal threat, which is basically what we when he was still with us, find a tactical setup that gets the best out of Ronaldo.
However something about how Ronaldo played in this system seems to have been to Mouhrino's dislike otherwise he wouldn't have said the following.
Which means Ronaldo did something not the way Mourinho wanted him to do it and refused to change in that regard.
However we can't really know what it was that Ronaldo did to Mourinho's dislike because he doesn't go into detail here but considering Ronaldo's goal return I think it's hard to think that he was criticizing that part of his game.
More likely he told him to track back after losing the ball and stop sulking, or try to pick more passes to his team mates, even though I feel he contributed much more to Reals overall play this season then the two before.
Good points.
I think the way he played for Mourinho wasn't much different to what he did for SAF in 07-09. Both managers seemed not to mind his lack of defensive responsibility and lesser involvement in the build up in favour of his increased goal return. Criticising him then for lack of defensive responsibility and lesser involvement in the build up seems odd to me, IMO it's clear that it's as much as he mangers decision as Ronaldos, in fact much more. We know Ronaldos capable of 20 assists plus a season, but his game has changed, not just of his own accord, but with the guidance of the managers he has worked with.
Who knew? Ronaldo apparently is a Hermione.
I doubt he is criticizing his defensive duties his contribution attacking wise is so much that it is fair to expect him not to do much defensively. I really think it is in regards to how much he creates and how much he does from a deep role. His game is reliant on players who are far less consistent than he. So when they are off majority of the time he will have a bad game.
Like I said we don't really know what Mourinho's problem is, hell I wouldn't even put it past him that he is just bitter and wanted to take a last swipe at Ronaldo.
As long as Ronaldo won't be saying anything about the topic and I doubt he will then we probably never know what the supposed dispute was about.
Of course one could also argue that Mourinho often enough comes across as much a know-it-all as he claims Ronaldo is.
The only thing important for me atm is that they probably can't stand each other too much and Ronnie won't have any desire to join Chelsea anytime soon.
What news from Madrid? Is Ronaldo on a plane back yet?
The thread in the transfer forum does not exist anymore, i presume this is because we have bought him and it has been moved to the United forum, cant seem to find it though?
Time for the caf to vanish.
When we return this thread will be in the United Forum?
Has he signed new madrid contract? I want to go pick up my 100 quid
Indeed, I prefer nails on chalkboard to hearing unbelievable^3 these days.
Needs to develop his vocabulary or he'll get shipped out.
not as much as Quentin Fortune
What, he's got male and female genitalia? I don't believe it.
Scott Minto and Graham Hunter work together on Revista and today are parroting the same lines about Ronaldo. I wonder if they have the same "sources" or whether both agreed on the most likely version of events based on their own intuition.
Minto first:
“Cristiano Ronaldo will definitely have one more year at Real Madrid,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show. “He’s got two-years left on his contract and, for some reason, he’s said that he’s not happy with how things have been dealt with by Florentino Perez.
“He feels that he should treated at Real Madrid like Lionel Messi is at Barcelona. He’s refused to sit down and discuss a contract. That’s fine when you have three-years left on your deal but when you’ve got two-years left, going down to the one, the club starts to panic.
“If something doesn’t happen in the next six months, in terms of signing a contract, then I would expect him next summer to come back to Manchester United.
“Where do you go after Real Madrid though? Yes, Man United are a massive club but Real Madrid are historically and stats wise the biggest club in the world.
“He has a chance to make himself bigger than Alfredo Di Stefano,” he added. “I still think they’ll be a solution between him and the club but, if there isn’t by this time next year, I expect him to be back in the Premier League.”
Hunter:
Kamal @kmarwaha 11h
-@BumperGraham @talkSPORT @sportsbreakfast Will Ronaldo come back to Manchester United one day and will it be this summer?
Graham Hunter @BumperGraham 10h
-@kmarwaha @talkSPORT @sportsbreakfast Yes. No, pretty sure not this time
Minto first:
“Cristiano Ronaldo will definitely have one more year at Real Madrid,” he told the Alan Brazil Sports Breakfast show. “He’s got two-years left on his contract and, for some reason, he’s said that he’s not happy with how things have been dealt with by Florentino Perez.
“He feels that he should treated at Real Madrid like Lionel Messi is at Barcelona. He’s refused to sit down and discuss a contract. That’s fine when you have three-years left on your deal but when you’ve got two-years left, going down to the one, the club starts to panic.
“If something doesn’t happen in the next six months, in terms of signing a contract, then I would expect him next summer to come back to Manchester United.
“Where do you go after Real Madrid though? Yes, Man United are a massive club but Real Madrid are historically and stats wise the biggest club in the world.
“He has a chance to make himself bigger than Alfredo Di Stefano,” he added. “I still think they’ll be a solution between him and the club but, if there isn’t by this time next year, I expect him to be back in the Premier League.”
Hunter:
Kamal @kmarwaha 11h
-@BumperGraham @talkSPORT @sportsbreakfast Will Ronaldo come back to Manchester United one day and will it be this summer?
Graham Hunter @BumperGraham 10h
-@kmarwaha @talkSPORT @sportsbreakfast Yes. No, pretty sure not this time
Lads we can't have the last post on the old forum about Ronaldo
It's on..
It's on..
So this hasn't happened.
This is the biggest load of bullshit you will read on the matter.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rkmc8c
Still I might wank to it anyway.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rkmc8c
Still I might wank to it anyway.
You should be happy it didn't Sharky. Imagine if it had and the muppets had no Caf to explode on!!!
For what it's worth Graham Hunter reckons he probably will come back to United, but not this summer.
I hope Jack Bauer is on the security team we're sending to get him.- Status