Cristiano Ronaldo
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I'd argue that City's team is more expensive. Can't say for sure regarding wages but based on transfer fee alone I think City have the most expensive team in the world and I think Chelsea have the 2nd most expensive team in the world based only the players currently in their squad and played this season. Loanees like Bridge, Lukaku, De Bruyne etc. not counted for.
What's my logic? Ronaldo cost 80m, 4 seasons ago. 80/4= 20m. And so on.
It's only ball park numbers since I don't have the exact figures for every player but despite that I rounded down for Chelsea and City and up for Madrid and Real came up third.
Players like Higuain, Marcelo and Ramos have been there for 7 seasons.
Do you really think he did that this season?
Of course he did. During the time that Mourinho has been in charge he has scored 168 goals in 164 games. This season was no different. 55 in 55. A goal per game in every competition.
Also, you stats with Robben are wrong.
55 games, 36 goals, 21 assists. Those are his stats for the Bundesliga, Pokal and CL in 09/10+10/11 seasons.
Its clear that the problem is that you think Ronaldo should be instructed to do what most good-average wingers are instructed to do. He isn't expected to play that way but because its not what you're used to you're struggling to accept the player that he is. You think he's flawed because he doesn't defend with the team. To have Ronaldo doing that woud be the biggest waste of talent, and he isn't devoid of all defensive responsibility either, Ive seen him track back and put in a tackle or two, admttedly not with much frequency but you talk like he disrupts the teams shape and is a liability. Its not true. When Ronado drifts into the middle, Özil moves to the wing, when he moves onto the right, Di Maria swaps to the left. Allowing Ronaldo to move around usually helps them find a way through and just because you don't understand the type of player that he s does not mean he isn't carrying out the managers tactics perfectly.
Outside his goals what does he offer?
Its seems you're a Bayern Munich fan so I'll ask you a direct question - would you swap Ribery or Robben for Ronaldo?
The second most assists in the team......
Exactly. You have read that of wikipedia it takes somebody who watches him week in week out to get a grasp of the point i'm making there is no context to the second most assists. The only thing we can take from that is he creates goals for others.
Depending on who is quoting me some will repeat his outstanding goal stats or say he is not there to create but the fact he is the player with the second most assists means he does create. Adex spoke about defence splitting passes and that is how I know he is not reading because that has never been his game and that is not how he assists in this team. My point is in the bigger games this season more often than not he has not done these other things that make him a quality player. There is more to his game than scoring goals if there wasn't he would be an out and out striker. So when Real was not scoring against us or Dortmund I did not see Ronaldo take it upon himself anymore than Di Maria or ozil to make things happen. He is content to wait for chances to be created for him. Surely when that isn't working he must be looked at to do more? People saying he was given an instruction, Ronaldo floats all over the pitch which is what makes him so hard to mark and when he moves his teammates adjust against us and Dortmund I saw a player that was too happy to stay out on the wings where the ball was not reaching him. He was most dangerous in these ties when he came inside and moved away from the wing. So in comparison to what I have seen him do for Real what he did in the bigger games this season was not up to his standard not Messi's, not Iniesta's his own standards. He played well against this season Barca and I give him credit for that.
Perhaps it is Mourinho his football is not the most groundbreaking and does not apply to well to tight matches but next season he needs to give more outside goals in the matches when Madrid find it harder to steamroll through teams. For me he is too good to be on the edges of the biggest games and his contributions be as little. The games I refer to are games Madrid struggled in who else should you turn to than the scorer of 55 goals in a season. If the talk is his teammates weren't good enough I think that is harsh this is a team that won la liga last season, still almost beat Dortmund who in all honesty concede a lot of goals, and had us having to put in a classic defensive performance to stop them. Malaga gave a better fight than Real. Maybe the way Real use him it does not get the best out of him in the bigger games but in the other 9/10 games he carries the day all good questions imo.
He's been spotted in Chelsea apparently...
Caf went into meltdown in 3, 2, ...
Yep...and I genuinely do think he will end up at Chelsea unfortunately.
Same here - I did genuinely think there was a chance of him coming back here, but think that SAF's retirement ended that possibility.
His booing will set records when he visits Old Trafford though. I would hate him.
If he doesn't come to us, he should stay out of England (if he has even the slightest respect for United and he has said many times that he respects us a lot). Also, him and Mourinho doesn't make sense cause their relations are not good/
I think it will be one or the other.
Chelsea will either get Ronaldo or Mourinho, not both, in my opinion.
I watch Real games once every couple of weeks, I just used the stats to back up my point. You are a broken record Jaffy, you only use Dortmund and us as your only examples of not appearing in big games, it doesn't seem like you expand your knowledge of Real's games this season.
Messi was non existent against Bayern, against Milan away, against PSG away; does that mean he's not a big game player? Of course not. You're basing this on just one season where he's carried this Real team and amazingly has fully flourished because of it. And to say this isn't one of the worst Real sides is bullshit: They won the La Liga last year yes, but they have been fighting for 2nd rather than 1st this year battling off Atletico , they let in 5 goals against Dortmund when the scoreline should have been fewer, their team has lacked so much bite and it's obvious in their results: drawing 6 and losing 5 is a poor record for one of the Spanish giants, their worst in 4 years.
This video is the copa del rey semi final 2nd leg.
You keep saying all he provides is goals like he is a poacher, or he just sits on the edge of the box waiting for the ball. No, he doesn't: In this video he is the starter of all counter attacks,his dribbling was excellent, he lays off players with flicks or simple passes, he makes a crossfield ball to the other player. He was the standout performer in this game, against Barcelona of all teams, and it wasn't just his penalty or his open goal. He did most of the things for his team, and he was by far their best player. Without him in these sorts of games they wouldn't have even got close to the copa del rey.
For easier reference, check:
0:35 (flick)
0:50 (flick)
1:35 (Counter attack to set up the pen)
5:10 (Great chance for counter attack but gets fecked up by whoever receives it)
5:34 (Great first time pass to the edge of the box, player messes it up)
7:18 (Scholes-esque crossfield ball to di Maria)
9:30 (Takes the ball all the way up the pitch, but comes to nothing)
10:00 (2 men on him from behind halfway line, holds it up excellently and plays it back to make space)
10:58 (Drives team from halfway to the box, tried backheel but no support for another 20 yards)
11:10 (Saw the run down the middle, gave the pass perfectly)
11:47 (Lovely one two from halfway line to get to their box)
These were all key things he did during the game, not just "score goals". He drove them forward in every attack, made crucial passes which were all messed up by the receiver even though they were inch perfect, and he was involved in every goal.
I'm not going to back him up anymore: you're entitled to your opinion, but in your next long winded post you're just going to write about us and Dortmund again, and I can't be bothered to write about that. He was dangerous against us at the Bernabeau, and I know he wasn't effective against Dortmund or us at home, doesn't automatically make him a bad player. The entire team were poor those games, and when they are playing poor and you'r being double marked, you don't have a chance to do anything, you're out of the game.
Messi was non existent against Bayern, against Milan away, against PSG away; does that mean he's not a big game player? Of course not. You're basing this on just one season where he's carried this Real team and amazingly has fully flourished because of it. And to say this isn't one of the worst Real sides is bullshit: They won the La Liga last year yes, but they have been fighting for 2nd rather than 1st this year battling off Atletico , they let in 5 goals against Dortmund when the scoreline should have been fewer, their team has lacked so much bite and it's obvious in their results: drawing 6 and losing 5 is a poor record for one of the Spanish giants, their worst in 4 years.
This video is the copa del rey semi final 2nd leg.
You keep saying all he provides is goals like he is a poacher, or he just sits on the edge of the box waiting for the ball. No, he doesn't: In this video he is the starter of all counter attacks,his dribbling was excellent, he lays off players with flicks or simple passes, he makes a crossfield ball to the other player. He was the standout performer in this game, against Barcelona of all teams, and it wasn't just his penalty or his open goal. He did most of the things for his team, and he was by far their best player. Without him in these sorts of games they wouldn't have even got close to the copa del rey.
For easier reference, check:
0:35 (flick)
0:50 (flick)
1:35 (Counter attack to set up the pen)
5:10 (Great chance for counter attack but gets fecked up by whoever receives it)
5:34 (Great first time pass to the edge of the box, player messes it up)
7:18 (Scholes-esque crossfield ball to di Maria)
9:30 (Takes the ball all the way up the pitch, but comes to nothing)
10:00 (2 men on him from behind halfway line, holds it up excellently and plays it back to make space)
10:58 (Drives team from halfway to the box, tried backheel but no support for another 20 yards)
11:10 (Saw the run down the middle, gave the pass perfectly)
11:47 (Lovely one two from halfway line to get to their box)
These were all key things he did during the game, not just "score goals". He drove them forward in every attack, made crucial passes which were all messed up by the receiver even though they were inch perfect, and he was involved in every goal.
I'm not going to back him up anymore: you're entitled to your opinion, but in your next long winded post you're just going to write about us and Dortmund again, and I can't be bothered to write about that. He was dangerous against us at the Bernabeau, and I know he wasn't effective against Dortmund or us at home, doesn't automatically make him a bad player. The entire team were poor those games, and when they are playing poor and you'r being double marked, you don't have a chance to do anything, you're out of the game.
Surely he'd never go to Chelsea, it's a step down for him.
I was going to write another reply and then I just thought your right better to agree to disagree.
That's not true and I really don't get why people consistently make assumptions about how I understand the game just because I think Ronaldo isn't used to get the best out of the whole team. Just for clarification, I'm not saying he needs to defend as much as Ribery does for Bayern or play a similar role. That wouldn't make sense because he's clearly a different player and has totally different teammates. But his game is clearly not as balanced as it was at United from 06-08 for example, I hope we agree on that. I don't mind if he continues to play the way he played this season, that's pretty incredible.
But I think it's fair to say that Ribery had an incredible season as well and his overall contribution was that important to his team's success that in my opinion he had an even better season than Ronaldo - just as a reminder, the starting point of the discussion was someone saying Ronaldo should be favorite for the ballon d'or this season. But the whole discussion is really tiresome when all you get as a response is "but he scored so many goals". If you (and some others as well) deny the possibility that a player (even a great player) focusing almost solely on goals can prevent the team from reaching its peak, there's no need to argue further and we have to agree to disagree.
dont worry guys, he won't go to Chelsea, Nononsensefootball and their super special ITKs have said they haven't even considered making a bid. *Phew* glad they cleared that up for us....
"blah blah blah project, blah blah blah blah dream, blah blah blah blah not about the money"
To be honest I think playing against Barca in the last couple of years has been quite easy for Ronaldo.
He's been up against make shift defences, midfielders trying to play as centre backs, they dont press any more. He gets plenty of space to run in behind. They had to expect a player of that quality would punish them, and he did.
He's been up against make shift defences, midfielders trying to play as centre backs, they dont press any more. He gets plenty of space to run in behind. They had to expect a player of that quality would punish them, and he did.
Of course, do you actually think he didn't?! Please refer to examples if so.
I bet he scores a lot of goals next season.
Knew you would do that.
Nah, I reckon he's had his day. 10 goals next year tops.
Just finished watching this:
I miss him.
I miss him.
Just finished watching this:
I miss him.
One of the finest players of his generation, and Sir Alex/United created him.
We can problably put it to bed now after Perez's latest comments:
"I do not know if he has an offer from PSG," Perez said. "He told me last summer that he was sad and I told him that we would do everything possible for him to be happy. He had a bad moment but it is over now. Since then, his behaviour has been spectacular - Cristiano has been an example and has not had problems with anyone.
"He is the best in the world; we want to build the future Madrid around him. I would like him to be the best-paid player in the world."
"I do not know if he has an offer from PSG," Perez said. "He told me last summer that he was sad and I told him that we would do everything possible for him to be happy. He had a bad moment but it is over now. Since then, his behaviour has been spectacular - Cristiano has been an example and has not had problems with anyone.
"He is the best in the world; we want to build the future Madrid around him. I would like him to be the best-paid player in the world."
Maybe that will make him happy again
That best-paid player bit? It has a tendency to make people grin, so yeah, probably.
I'm happy for him, he's been through quite an ordeal.
I think I'd have to go through therapy, the strength he's got to pull through is incredible. What is he on, over £250k a week? £300k? Horrible times.
I do pity him!
Honestly, I wouldn't have the imagination to spend all that money! I could do with a few nice cars, but even in the ridiculously expensive Norway, that wouldn't be more than a week's pay, and you can't bloody well buy a new Ferrari every week. Besides, my wife works in order to handle the daily expenses
#tears4cristiano
Has it ever been revealed what the cause/reason behind his sadness is?
Although extra money would be a cushion whatever the problem is, it'd be interesting to know what the actual cause is.
Although extra money would be a cushion whatever the problem is, it'd be interesting to know what the actual cause is.
Is this what was actually making him sad though or is Perez throwing money at the problem hoping it'll solve it? Previous reports suggested Cristiano wasn't remotely interested in opening contract talks with them.
Something to do with lack of support from management/directors during baloon d'or voting or something? He felt unappreciated.
The actual cause is the fact that he was scoring lots of goals but he wasn't getting the sort of salary that Eto'o was getting. He was clearly suffering from the "spoilt child syndrome", which does affect players from time to time who are obsessed by the colour of their money.
Ridiculous. Reminds me of after Winkgate when the press was vilifying him for getting Rooney sent off, he came out with some comments about how the manager and club hadn't supported him enough. Which was a bit bizarre, I thought.
That was when be first started talking about wanting to play in Spain.
I'm not sure it's that bizarre. The club hierarchy, Mourinho and a number of the key players made no secret of the fact that they were supporting Casillas for the Ballon d'Or. Given that the entire footballing world recognised Ronaldo as the second best player in the world, you'd struggle not to take that as a deliberate insult, and feel isolated. He was the obvious 'Real Madrid candidate'.
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