I don't see it happening. But just imagine! How would you react to this news if you were a City fan?
Cristiano Ronaldo
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Ask if we could join the SPL for a chance of some silverware.
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Make it happen Sir Alex.
Carrick would be better with Bender than Gundogan IMO.
They'd be too defensive as a pairing. We need a silky midfielder who can dictate the tempo against the best sides, Carrick is better defensively in these games rather than what he produces going forwards.
That's because he rarely has anyone competent enough defensively to that duty for him. Put some one of Bender's ilk alongside and we would see a lot more from Carrrick going forward in those games
People overrate his ability going forward, its Carrick.. not Paul Scholes. Releasing him from defensive duties isn't going to make him run at opposition midfielders, get inbetween the lines and rack up assists or defence splitting passes on a regular basis. It is not his game, let him mop up and distribute the ball from deeper positions, that is when he is at his best.
You don't need defense splitting passes from Carrick, that is what Kagawa is there for. Bender is not the best player technically but he works his socks off and given we get those wingers and with Rafael and Evra bombing forward, a double pivot would balance things out. Little too defense if Kagawa gets marked out, yes. But if Carrick maintains his form it would cope well due to the solidity while the explosiveness comes down the flanks.
Back to Cristiano Ronaldo then...
Back to Cristiano Ronaldo then...
Yes and Gundogan has racked up a grand total of 2 bundesliga assists with his brand of defense splitting passes
feck sake can somebody show him that video.
Good point. Two defensive minded CM (that can pass the ball well) is the future; especially if you have creative wingers and forwards.
God job that isn't his main priority then
It's looking more likely now that I've read Fergie's latest quotes.
I would take Bale of Ronaldo though, somehow I feel he would gel better with our current crop of players and he as a few more years in him.
I would take Bale of Ronaldo though, somehow I feel he would gel better with our current crop of players and he as a few more years in him.
Someone I was talking to made a decent point.
If we buy Ronaldo for say 60 mill GBP now, that would mean we essentially got 20 mill from Madrid for him spending 4 years (in which he has scored 199 goals) there. Is that a good deal?
I don't think I would hesitate much despite the economic fault that seems in it. He doesn't look like declining one bit and will give us a good number of years while still banging in goals for fun.
If we buy Ronaldo for say 60 mill GBP now, that would mean we essentially got 20 mill from Madrid for him spending 4 years (in which he has scored 199 goals) there. Is that a good deal?
I don't think I would hesitate much despite the economic fault that seems in it. He doesn't look like declining one bit and will give us a good number of years while still banging in goals for fun.
Carrick has served up several defence splitting passes in the majority of games this season, even from a deeper position. it's definitely a strength of his.
Anyway I wonder who SAF would prefer between Ronaldo or Bale currently. Ronaldo might be at or near his peak already whereas Bale's probably yet to reach his peak but there is no guarantee his peak will be anywhere near Ronaldo's. I think SAF would have Cristiano back. He seems happy with the number of young players we have. He's been reiterating that point quite a lot lately.
Anyway I wonder who SAF would prefer between Ronaldo or Bale currently. Ronaldo might be at or near his peak already whereas Bale's probably yet to reach his peak but there is no guarantee his peak will be anywhere near Ronaldo's. I think SAF would have Cristiano back. He seems happy with the number of young players we have. He's been reiterating that point quite a lot lately.
From a purely economic sense, this deal doesn't make sense. Sell a player at 24? Lose him for his peak years o another club and fork out close to 80% what we signed him for as he nears 30.
But fortunately this player is Ronaldo and buying him would transcend economic sense!
It's not a good point. You could look at it another way...
We paid £12.24 Million and had him for a good 5/6 seasons. Then sold him for 80 million for 4 seasons to Madrid. Then *bought him back for £65 million
We paid £77.24 million
We recouped £80 million
We got Cristiano Ronaldo for free. Awesome
*In dreamland
No that's an awful deal, essentially it will've cost Real £15-20m for Ronaldo's services at the peak of his career. We'd be left with a player close to his thirties with no resale value. I just can't see United being so irrational in the transfer market, now if we could get him on a free next season then yes...otherwise he's probably off to Paris. Most fans on let their hearts rule, but looking at it logical that money ought to be spent frugally. He's yesterday's news, both sides have moved on...
Do you believe age will play a big factor in his game? Seeing how well he has maintained his fitness and how he takes care of himself, training hard, it is possible that he won't suddenly lose his athleticism in 1-2 years from now. It could be the comparison with Messi that drives him on, but he has surely done well so far with this shape and it should serve him well for a few years.
Also, if he does lose pace, I think he could still be very deadly as a center forward. He has always been good in the air, and his finishing is beyond doubt. I don't think we will get a washed up player if we do buy him now or next year.
Difficult to say, that said the fact that he's never been injured and played a shedload of games from a young age, could work against him.
There is not a chance the club will spend £65m on a player of his age, it's not in our transfer policy. Berbatov was the last player who we'll do that with.
I'm with Spoony though, both sides have moved on, and we could improve the squad much more if that £65m was invested throughout the team in areas we need to strengthen. He gave us 6 great years, and now we've moved on.
I'm with Spoony though, both sides have moved on, and we could improve the squad much more if that £65m was invested throughout the team in areas we need to strengthen. He gave us 6 great years, and now we've moved on.
Indeed!
Some of the nitpicking that people go through regarding our transfer finances is tiresome.
He's only just tuned 28...not exactly on his last legs. He's probably one of the fittest players iv ever seen aswell, he's barely missed a game in recent years. He will still be a top player well into his 30's and the fee will be largely reduced in merchandise and sponsorship. Unless he gets some sort of freak injury signing Ronaldo is almost a no lose situation. Imagine the leverage next season when we negotiate with Nike, they'd be buzzing if we sign him and would probably get 30m more (random number) just for having him in the squad.
What would be most people's limit then? And let's say £50m would be enough to lure Bale here. Personally I would not pay anything over £40m for Ronaldo.
Anything over the £40m would be better spent on CM and younger attackers IMO.
I doubt we could even afford his wages, his demands would annihilate our wage structure. Or are people going to kid themselves and think he'll take a massive paycut just to return to his beloved United?
There would be easy ways around that. New Nike deal coming up for United, negotiate a portion of ronaldo shirt sale revenue to be payed direct to Ronaldo rather then included in United's income from the sponsor.
Players earn alot more than just their weekly wage from the club. People seem to forget that.
What, so Nike are going to pay his wages are they?
Giving him a % of shirt sales is a joke of an idea. Before long all our other top names would be demanding a slice and it's no different from just outright giving him the £300k+ p/w, it's all money that would otherwise be in our pocket going into his.
I doubt wages will be a sticking point if he wants to return. Players like him probably make far more in endorsement money than wages anyway, so its easily offset.
Just checked the official site and the SAFs actual quotes are quite a bit different to the ones I posted earlier from the star.
Here are the real ones:
manutd.com
Ronaldo would probably cover more than his wages in merchandise sales alone. Alongside Messi is the most marketable player in the world, the % in shirt sales and Manchester United merchandise sold just off his name alone will be huge. We're already great at getting top sponsorship deals, imagine having one of the most famous sportsmen in the world thrown in, we'd be rolling in cash.
I remember claims from Madrid in 2010 that they had sold enough shirts and memorabilia with his name on to cover his fee.
Yup same with Beckham, I think after a season at Madrid they had actually made a profit on him.
If Real are refusing to pay the wages he wants in a new contract, what makes you think he will be happy to go on the same as he's on now or less with us? He gets the endorsement money regardless so if wages are a sticking point at Real, they will be even more so with us, not to mention the differences in taxes over there to here.
The money is not being paid to United and then back to Nike. The deal would go straight from Nike which on paper would have no link to United. Nor would it have to be disclosed to other players. At the end of the day, players can pick and choose who they are personally sponsored by and Nike can choose how much they pay said player. Same way that Tiger Woods earns a shit load more than Rory McIlroy from Nike even though the later has won two more majors over the last two years then Tiger has.
Chances are Nike probably have incentives for their contracted players to play for Nike sponsored clubs anyway. From a marketing standpoint i sure as shit would utilize that.
The funny thing about people saying Nike will find this is that it will probably be cheaper for Nike to pay Madrid more than whoever their current shirt maker gives them.
Let's not forget the money we saved not having to pay his wages over those 4 years.
According to rumours sponsors would pay some of the transfer sum though if we were to sign Ronaldo, so the club might be closer to paying £40m* rather than the full transfer. Even if that was the case I still doubt it'll happen though, but you never know with football. Ronaldo only has a few years left on his contract I think (2 years, right?) so if he's truly fed up with Real they might want to cash in while they still can, and it's pretty clear that Ronaldo still loves United.
* Completely made up figure, in case that wasn't clear.
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