Perhaps! If it ever happens!
In all seriousness we'll still have reciprocal arrangements with most countries even outside the EU. We wouldn't want our crims to be able to flee the country and not be brought back.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Transfer Speculation
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Perhaps! If it ever happens!
In all seriousness we'll still have reciprocal arrangements with most countries even outside the EU. We wouldn't want our crims to be able to flee the country and not be brought back.
So all you have to do to avoid paying back millions you owe in tax is move countries?
Yes, of course.
Do you think British courts have any interest in pursuing foreign tax-dodgers?
It is, I do this kind of thing for a living.
As an example - It's easy to enforce a Judgment in the UK against someone resident in the U.K. and take assets in the U.K. based on a court order awarded in another European country.
It's a straightforward procedural process. I know this as I've done it for clients and also had clients who've had it done to them.
I had a case like this last week.
So do I so I'm not sure where you're coming from on this.
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Any legal experts on here can tell us if it is actually legal for another party to pay your tax bill??
Surely that is the whole point that the actual person/legal entity who earnt it has to pay it???
Like I said before they only way round it would be for Madrid to pay him a certain amount which would mean he would earn over the penalty amount of 15m AFTER tax which means Madrid stung for a large amount.
He may be looking at the option of getting the signing on bonus to pay that off either via a new contract at Madrid or a move away.
(This is on the premise that any of this is true)
Surely that is the whole point that the actual person/legal entity who earnt it has to pay it???
Like I said before they only way round it would be for Madrid to pay him a certain amount which would mean he would earn over the penalty amount of 15m AFTER tax which means Madrid stung for a large amount.
He may be looking at the option of getting the signing on bonus to pay that off either via a new contract at Madrid or a move away.
(This is on the premise that any of this is true)
Anyone can pay it. As long as it's paid.
The money has been paid. The court case hinges on whether he only paid because he knew he was about to get caught, and whether some contracts were rigged (maybe even retrospectively) to justify the information in the tax return.
They aren't just after tax, they're after bigger fines and a fraud conviction.
If Ronaldo is blaming Real Madrid for this it probably means they advised him to choose the tax lawyer who tried to regularise his underpayments in one big hit. They may even have tried to reassure him that the tax office wouldn't prosecute of he paid voluntarily.
The stuff that came out in the football wikileaks probably came from a robbery/hack at that tax lawyer's office. Without that leak, maybe the tax office wouldn't have started down the prosecution route.
It's quite possible that he would have moved earlier (before his Beckham Law exemptions ran out) if he hasn't been convinced by Perez and co that it could all be handled out of court and with minimal publicity.
This is just all so pathetic from him, having yet another strop, 15mill should be nothing to him based on his annual income.
Time for another ego stroke, lets all talk about Ronaldo all summer... before he decides.. "I stay."
I really hope this feckwittery doesn't impact Morata talks.
Time for another ego stroke, lets all talk about Ronaldo all summer... before he decides.. "I stay."
I really hope this feckwittery doesn't impact Morata talks.
Like I've said above - I do this often. I'm not sure what else to say.
Wow that is a good way to help criminals.
Out of interest, what do you do and by what method?
Ha Ronaldo going from Marcelo bombing down the left flank teeing him up to Darmian standing still.
He'd love that.
He would be choosing Paris over Manchester. I think his lifestyle outside of football is very important to him. Again I dont think he'll leave Madrid.
How? How would the authority know where it's come from anyway? I could give you money to pay to someone else and they'd be none the wiser.
Tax is just a financial obligation.
My two cents.
Madrid weren't happy with Ronaldo's form earlier in the season and thought about selling him for big money. Therefore, they were reluctant to stand firmly behind him when the tax problem surfaced. BUT Ronaldo was sensational in the last months of the season and Madrid changed their mind. Now Ronaldo is bitter about their earlier stance. He wants a very special treatment and full support about the tax allegations.
Verdict: Madrid will do what is required to keep him for another season at least.
Madrid weren't happy with Ronaldo's form earlier in the season and thought about selling him for big money. Therefore, they were reluctant to stand firmly behind him when the tax problem surfaced. BUT Ronaldo was sensational in the last months of the season and Madrid changed their mind. Now Ronaldo is bitter about their earlier stance. He wants a very special treatment and full support about the tax allegations.
Verdict: Madrid will do what is required to keep him for another season at least.
Briefly, In the U.K. You apply for a High Court Order to enforce a foreign Judgment debt under Part 74 of the CPR.
Basically, If the Judge is satisfied that the party has been given sufficient notice then they'll grant a Court Order to enforce it in the U.K. You then have a valid Court Order.
You can do this in other countries either under EU law or other treaties depending on where it is. There are, I assume exceptions where there is no treaty. If I had a client who wanted to enforce a debt abroad I would instruct a Lawyer in that country to do it for us.
I'm not a criminal lawyer but extradition of suspected or convicted criminals happens all the time in Europe and to the US in particular.
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Get him on a plane, bring him back from spain...
Does that mean those Journo's who said we aren't in for Fabinho and prefer Dier/Matic were just making it up?
A guy can dreamYeah that's different in Scotland where I live.
Would the Spanish Government be entitled to exercise that, though? It still raises the question whether Spain can pursue him in his absence, however, I feel.
Presumably they'd then have to instruct someone in England to enforce the order.
Extradition, although often quite difficult, can be granted but this is different to prosecuting criminal offences which occur in other countries.
Cross-purposes, perhaps.
''United on alert''. We haven't heard that one before..
This is not a drill, I repeat this is not a drill.
I remember picking up the papers and seeing he'd signed. Clearly disappointed that Becks had left but very excited about this lad. Then watched this Bolton game and he lit up the place.
Sorry I made the mistake of thinking you knew what you were going on about.
Signing a player at Ronaldo-Esque caliber always leave top people of our club 2 things to consider:
1/ Professional aspect: A signed player should contribute directly to Jose plans and tactics, and how many time did we already see SAF passed opportunities to sign big names follow this reason?. Here is Cristiano fecking Ronaldo we talking about guys, even he's not the man he used to be, he still a world class attacker that just help RM win 2 CLs in row. I doubt any managers with his right mind will turn down an opportunity to work with him. Having said that, Jose might though, for he's the special one lol.
2/ Commercial Value: Signing Ronaldo can result in massively commercial deals. No footballer in this world would be able to surpass him in term of PR and Public Communication lol.
Well, take a look at Pogba, we did exactly that.
That had been said if RM slap us with more than $100m price tag, let's PSG and Chinese clubs take him. Moreover, It should be another skit angling for an improving contract as well. I see Ramos-case written all over it again)
1/ Professional aspect: A signed player should contribute directly to Jose plans and tactics, and how many time did we already see SAF passed opportunities to sign big names follow this reason?. Here is Cristiano fecking Ronaldo we talking about guys, even he's not the man he used to be, he still a world class attacker that just help RM win 2 CLs in row. I doubt any managers with his right mind will turn down an opportunity to work with him. Having said that, Jose might though, for he's the special one lol.
2/ Commercial Value: Signing Ronaldo can result in massively commercial deals. No footballer in this world would be able to surpass him in term of PR and Public Communication lol.
Well, take a look at Pogba, we did exactly that.
That had been said if RM slap us with more than $100m price tag, let's PSG and Chinese clubs take him. Moreover, It should be another skit angling for an improving contract as well. I see Ramos-case written all over it again
)Score a lot less than he did in Spain?
I cannot see him banging in more than a goal a game in England.
On another note; I cannot believe people are asking if a person of Ronaldo's profile can run away from a tax bill as large as that by moving country?
What planet are you on!?
Real are gonna pay the bill and he will be "happy" again.
Even with Ronaldo signed that is an absolutely hideous team because of Perisic and Dier. This would be infinitely better;
De Gea
Valencia Bailly Lindelof Shaw
Herrera Fabinho Pogba
Mkhitaryan Morata Ronaldo
Valencia Bailly Lindelof Shaw
Herrera Fabinho Pogba
Mkhitaryan Morata Ronaldo
Yes this would be an excellent team that should be able to fight for the title. Defensively solid, multiple goal threats, physically dominant, flair sprinkled over the pitch. Might see Darmian there instead of Shaw to cover Ronaldo's lack of tracking back.
Not sure why I'm posting this as that team will never materialize in real life, but there is no width there at all.
It wont sadly but, if it did, the width would come from the fullbacks.
BREAKING NEWS......ED SEEN SCRUMPLING JOSE'S LIST UP AND THROWING IN THE BIN
Other than Valencia our full backs are crap (at least in terms of attacking)
Shaw is not crap, He will fullfill his potential. Too quick to pass judgements, at one time Even valancia was bad as a defender and did not deliver proper crosses.
Not sure how Spain works but surely it would taxed as a benefit in kind if this was in the UK and man Utd paid it for say Rooney?
I do like this thinking: imagine getting done for not paying the tax on paying the tax bill!
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