LvG is building a team with specific duties, and rigid responsibilities. Ronnie would not alter his game to become a cog in the machine.
That would stall the process, beyond Louis tenure.
I can't see it happening.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015
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That would stall the process, beyond Louis tenure.
I can't see it happening.
How so? A key player is a key player regardless of where he plays. Why should it be a problem if he played "on the wing" and scored 40 goals?
Because, imo, playing on the wing he won't even score twenty goals in the PL.
When you sign the best player(s) in the world, you adjust your tactics to get the best out of them.
Surely LVG is tactically flexible enough to devise a workable solution.
Its not like we're considering the purchase of Kerlon to perform the seal dribble for 90 minutes irrespective of other players on the pitch. I'm sure all good managers can adapt their strategy to include players like Messi or Ronaldo.
The last time he scored less than 20 goals in a season was before the wink.
He'll score more than 50 this season playing off the wing a lot, what makes PL so special that he'd struggle to get 20? The incredible level of defending unseen ever before?
But that is very short-termist. Is that what you expect from Louis van Gaal?
Not getting into this nonsense again. One person gives an opinion on the PL being tougher in some aspects, another jumps in trying to lynch them, bla bla fekin bla.
He's slowing down, the wing requires trickery and pace -- he has little of the former imo, and will run out of the latter soon enough. In the PL, 50 goals from out wide? No fekin chance. 15 maybe.
He'll score 30-40 in all competitions easy, I think the PL thing is just the English media, the BPL isn't the best league in the world right now, it's actually pretty boring to watch.
No, the time has past for his return. Despite still being incredibly talented, I rather United focus on building a team around a team rather than individuals. But, then again I assume he can do a great job being a lone striker and we can still build a team around a team.... so perhaps that aphorism does not apply if Ronaldo plays in that role.
Common sense tells me that I much rather have Ronaldo as our striker than many other players.
Common sense tells me that I much rather have Ronaldo as our striker than many other players.
I expect him to do everything he can to finish his career on a high note in the next couple/few seasons, and signing the best in the world surely helps that along.
La Liga is a better league and he scores freely there. Teams against which he's scored in Champions League to become all-time highest scorer in the competition are much, much better than teams he'd come across in Premier League. I don't see why he'd suddenly struggle because he came to the mighty PL, seriously. He hasn't struggled to put the ball in the net against the best La Liga teams at all, he hasn't struggled in CL in the slightest.
You think he'd go from 55 in La Liga to 15 in the Prem ? Interesting.
What's wrong with building a team around individuals? If they're good enough why wouldn't you? Many successful teams over the years have built their team around their best players. Fergie did it regularly.
Ronaldo has averaged over 50 goals from the wings in the last 5 seasons, yet somehow the magical defending in the PL means he'll only score 15!?
You can still have a team ethic and outstanding individual players. They're not mutually exclusive concepts.
One would argue the best teams in history were mostly built around individuals.
OK, maybe 20-25.
Ronaldo has averaged over 50 goals from the wings in the last 5 seasons, yet somehow the magical defending in the PL means he'll only score 15!?
Nothing to do with the defending, lot more to do with the overall style of the league. Ronaldo as a winger in the PL, getting 50+, no fecking way, there would be a significant drop off, that I am certain of.
Argentina '86 maybe, that's about it.
He managed 42 in 07/08 when he wasn't as much of a finisher as he is nowadays. Anyway, let's agree to disagree.
A team being build round a great player doesn't mean the rest of the team is poor, but I'd say Barca 09-11 were very much build around Messi.
The problem with 'some' individuals is that they do not contribute to the overall productivity of the team. For example, if we get Ronaldo and play him out wide, he would be productive as a goalscorer in the attack, but when defending we would be left exposed on his flank. Ronaldo is no longer the winger he used to be at United, where he would draw the opposition towards him and helps us defend while attacking. He is now just a goal scoring threat that would be much more productive when isolated of his defensive responsibility. I suggested a counter to that problem and already acknowledge the hypothetical situation of building a team around him as the striker...not as a winger.
Yea, I should have restated that some individuals does not offer that team ethic and balance I was originally referring to. In this instant, Ronaldo as a winger does not in my philosophy.
I agree, Messi was the special player in that side -- but the reason I leave that side out is due to the fact that Argentina was also built around Messi at the same time and they did nothing. On the other hand, Xavi, Iniesta and Busquets dominated for Spain.
But a player in his 30 ' s, unwilling to do the defensive side of the job?Cina post: 17507653 said:
When they go they leave a gaping hole too.
That is why Fergie played Ronaldo in last year, in a more conventional wing role. To acclimatise the team to deal without him.
LvG has a blueprint for a system that does not open you up to those problems to that extent.
I don't believe he would even consider Ronaldo.
It is just an opinion and I gave my reasoning. If others disagree then that is fine.
But at least consider how van Gaal has gone about his business during his career.
We already have 2 strikers who aren't young, one of them looks like a move to a less physically demanding league might be a very good idea. Considering it will take us at least two more years to build a really good team, no, I don’t want Ronaldo here. He’s a fantastic striker but I doubt he would solve our issues, while he definitely would not bring immediate success.
There is general tendency worldwide to overrate Ronaldo and underrated everybody else who plays for his success in Real Madrid team.
There is general tendency worldwide to overrate Ronaldo and underrated everybody else who plays for his success in Real Madrid team.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Ronaldo would make immediate impact, using previous experience of the EPL.
Players like Di Maria, Depay and Falcao are risky as they have no EPL experience, but Ronaldo is not a risk.
For crying out loud, he scored 5 goals in 1 game, a few weeks ago...what team wouldn't want this sort of a player?
This is true.
However, some fans want us to alter our team (players/style/tactics), to service Falcao.
I dont believe we should design a team around Falcao, as he just isnt good enough.
HOWEVER, designing a team around Ronaldo (current World player of the year), I think is definitely doable.
Should we sign the best player in the World if the opportunity presented itself...er yes.
I'd take that.
I dont see us winning the league unless we have a player in the team who can score 20 goals+ next year.
We need a 20 goals per season goal scorer and Ronaldo could be the answer.
When you consider that we are currently fielding Falcao (4 goals/season) and some are actually arguing that Ronaldo (potentially 30 goals/season) isn't good enough.
The mind boggles.
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Name one other player (from the last few decades) who's managed to come remotely close to the figures Ronaldo is raking up in La Liga in the last 5 years. (except you-know-who obviously)
I won't, that's not my point. I’m not trying to downplay Ronaldo because obviously he has been no1 or no2 in the world in the last couple of years. My point is that this year he is surrounded by excellent payers who work for him to get those silly numbers. He isn’t that individual as a few years ago anymore.
[QOUTE="sunama, post: 17507760, member: 88145"]This is true.
However, some fans want us to alter our team (players/style/tactics), to service Falcao.
I dont believe we should design a team around Falcao, as he just isnt good enough.
HOWEVER, designing a team around Ronaldo (current World player of the year), I think is definitely doable.
Should we sign the best player in the World if the opportunity presented itself...er yes.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it is my age, but I'm thinking more long term. If we got three great years with Ronaldo, or a dynasty built on a system tweaked and added to, I'dtake the latter.
I wouldn't build the team around an individual. Definately not Falcao either.
However, some fans want us to alter our team (players/style/tactics), to service Falcao.
I dont believe we should design a team around Falcao, as he just isnt good enough.
HOWEVER, designing a team around Ronaldo (current World player of the year), I think is definitely doable.
Should we sign the best player in the World if the opportunity presented itself...er yes.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it is my age, but I'm thinking more long term. If we got three great years with Ronaldo, or a dynasty built on a system tweaked and added to, I'dtake the latter.
I wouldn't build the team around an individual. Definately not Falcao either.
We have the likes of Di Maria, Mata, Rooney who wouldn't look out of place in the Madrid squad.
He doesn’t play on the wing anymore. Even if he does pop up on the side, he usually passes the ball and gets back up top.Ronaldo has averaged over 50 goals from the wings in the last 5 seasons, yet somehow the magical defending in the PL means he'll only score 15!?
You make the wrong assumption that he would get the same numer of chances to score here as he gets at Madrid. His game isn’t about dribbling and creating chances for himself anymore, he needs players working for him and that’s how you get the most of him (no defensive duties).
That's why we should play him as a number 9.
We bought Di Maria (who was supposed to be our best player when he joined) and Madrid didn't look like missing him this season at all. Absolutely no chance Rooney or Mata would get into that Madrid side. Once again, you underrate them.
Yes.
However, we are not capable of creating half as many chances as Madrid does. Therefore I don’t want us to sign a typical 9 this summer.
Di Maria was better last season than James has been this season.
Rooney is no worse than Benzema, Mata very much comparable to Isco who starts very often.
no he shouldn´t and he couldn´t lead the lines. Ronaldo would have to play as second striker or wide forward (which is more or less the same in his case) behind/next to someone line Rooney. So you have to play a 442 or an asymmetrical 433. Short term he´d certainly help, but it would also mean, that we have another extremely expansive and un-droppable player, who can play in exactly one role.
He'd singlehandedly win you the league, 30+ or not.
Shame most of you are ignoring the fact that there's no chance he'll leave Madrid while he's so close to being all time top scorer with us.
You can have him in the summer of 2016.
Shame most of you are ignoring the fact that there's no chance he'll leave Madrid while he's so close to being all time top scorer with us.
You can have him in the summer of 2016.
A big fortune??? Or a reasonable price???
Only God knows...He'd singlehandedly win you the league, 30+ or not.
Shame most of you are ignoring the fact that there's no chance he'll leave Madrid while he's so close to being all time top scorer with us.
You can have him in the summer of 2016.
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