who is this top 30 goals a season striker you speak of, btw?
also, we will still sign a world class defender whether we sign Ronaldo or not.
Cristiano Ronaldo | Summer 2015
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who is this top 30 goals a season striker you speak of, btw?
also, we will still sign a world class defender whether we sign Ronaldo or not.
Shame we'd have to settle for such an over the hill player who only managed to knock in 55 goals last year.
Yes but that's at Real Madrid, at Manchester United will he get the same goals tally? probably not.
When you look at the Squad Real Madrid have even without Ronaldo they are still the #2 team in the world, United aren't even top 10 currently.
The question is will Ronaldo carve out all these opportunities at Utd for himself? win games single handedly? probably not, does Valencia have the quality to cross the ball anymore to him? no he doesn't.
Young is good but even then will he have the quality of some of the players Real Madrid have, like Kroos who is exceptionally gifted as a passer of the ball.
I know Ronaldo is the second best player of this generation without a doubt and he comes with bags full of goals but to pay that much for a 30 year old, who has a few good seasons left isn't what we need.
We're essentially replacing van Persie with another 30 year old who is only going to regress, Real Madrid have gotten his best years and then will cash in.
I think Depay is a great move personally, and I think we need a conventional #9 do we really want to build a team around a player who will have 2-3 seasons and then will be gone?
For me personally as a fan, I want the target to be European Champions, build a squad that will dominate for the next 5-6 years, not 2 years.
Ronaldo is a year older than Zidane when Zidane signed for Madrid. Also, Zidane isn't a player who relied on pace -- I know Ronaldo relies a lot on intuition and instinct these days, but pace is also a part of his game.
choosing Bale over Ronaldo.that is madness. how about we sign Ronaldo and when he (finally) does decline, we buy Bale then instead? wouldn't that be a better alternative, assuming both are or will be available in the near future?
Bale is younger -- could sign him for the same price as Ronaldo, the difference is we could sell Bale on and recoup some of the money. Even if we don't sell him on, Bale has a longer shelf-life.
I'll be honest with you, I wasn't really bothered when he left for Madrid, age is the factor with him, the physical decline of a player in their 30s is apparent, injuries take longer to overcome, you start to lose the yard of pace and you need legs around you to do your work for you, Real Madrid has had Di Maria, Modric, Bale around him last year, players who are willing to do the leg work, at United we don't really have that.
The fact he left Man Utd never bothered me, you are just assuming that, when he left I actually couldn't have cared less, Arjen Robben was the third best last year, and he's out injured now at a key point, the squad needs young blood right now, it's a transition.
We don't have that quality, Di Maria still is adapting, Herrera and Mata are great but counter attacking wise not really, I just don't see Ronaldo being the solution, long term it's not worth it.
Shame we'd have to settle for such an over the hill player who only managed to knock in 55 goals last year.
How long do you honestly think he's going to keep those numbers up? Especially at a club in transition, which we undoubtedly are.
He obviously wouldn't, but he would certainly get 30-35 as he's much more of a scorer now than he was during his 42 goal season, so its a no brainer. Its amazing how people suspend logic when Ronaldo is involved as if buying the current world footballer of the year is some sort of bad decision that will set us back. Complete lunacy. I suppose Madrid were deluded in offering a then world record fee for Zidane in 2001 as well.
3-4 years, more than long enough for us. As in, he would be good for 20-35 goals for much of that time, which lets face it, would be amazing.
Yes I agree in the department he will still score bucket loads of goals, but the squad is built around him at Real Madrid, not saying it can't be at United but it's two completely different teams.
I personally believe the money could be spent in key areas such as the defence, a solid holding midfielder and then a striker, the fact is a bad defence in Europe Ronaldo won't magically fix that.
Even if we had Ronaldo I don't expect us to finish first next season, I actually think we'll get 2nd in the League.
If we get him for 60 Million Euros great, age is a huge factor in this because he's scoring so many goals, but he doesn't track back, he doesn't create chances for himself like he used to, infact his key dribbles and take ons per game is actually very low this season.
If he managed that for 3-4 years, then I'd agree, it would be worth it. On the other hand, Bale will guarantee 20+ goals a season plus 15 odd assists for 5-6 years.
Seeing as we've hardly sold our players for large fees and we never ever buy players with that intention I don't see how Bale's resale value would influence our decision whether to sign him or not.
Do you honestly think 30yo Ronaldo is less fit than 29yo Zidane?
Anyway 3-4yr of 40 goal+ is more than enough to justify any fee.
He won't score 40+ goals in the PL into his mid thirties.
On the one hand you say Ronaldo will struggle to repeat his Madrid tally at United yet Bale will magically do better at United?
He has different set of skills than Zidane which means he relies on different attributes and they might not stay at the same level for the same amount of time. He won't remain the second best player in the world for the next decade surely.
Well, Bale's age at least is worth considering.
Honestly, I'd prefer to see the money spent on players like Reus, Verratti, Pogba, Hummels, Coleman, etc.. but if we get one of them, then so be it.
He won't actually mid-30s until the 4th year if we sign him this summer
Bale did it at Spurs. Ronaldo is getting older, I think he'll get 20 odd goals into his thirties, which would be fine, but I'd prefer Bale. Just my opinion.
I'm not against buying Bale, but am under no illusion that he would be nearly as effective as Ronaldo. Looking back at our dropped point games, his 30 goals or so this year would've won us the league since our achilles has always been goals in the final third. Obviously a Falcao of old and in form Di Maria would've had the same result as well.
He'll be 31 this winter -- we already have Rooney turning 30, RvP turning (what, 33 or something?) -- This has to be considered.
I don't think Bale will ever be a 40+ goal a season player. But, I do think he's a solid 20-30 goal a year PL player. His directness suits this league imo.
We would obviously need other players as well, especially midfielders. But if we're landing the likes of Depay (in attack) and Gundogan in midfield for 20m, then I wouldn't be surprised if we buy a more expensive player as well.
We'll effectively turn into Bayern this season lots of players in their 30s needing to replace them, I'm actually all for buying someone like Griezmann (although apparently chelsea interested and he's doing fine at Atletico, I wanted him last summer) put him on the right with Depay on the left.
Then the striker position is up for grabs, a Ronaldo figure would be good but I don't think its hugely necessary.
There is a gulf in class with strikers in Europe right now granted.
No. We are heading towards a team ethos where we should be able to integrate new players to do THAT job.
Ronaldo would need a team built around him. Then the rebuild to overcome his eventual departure would be too disruptive.
I also don't want to see him berating his team mates.
Ronaldo would need a team built around him. Then the rebuild to overcome his eventual departure would be too disruptive.
I also don't want to see him berating his team mates.
He certainly wouldn't need a team to build around - in fact he's already played alongside a good number of our current players.
The age factor shouldn't be an issue. Rooney, Ronaldo could play on for another 3-4 + years. You can still plan for all eventualities. It would be worse if they did sell Ronaldo and he went to Chelsea or someone of that ilk - just because we wouldn't go in for him. That would be worse. We could buy him and still plan for the future. We have players coming through. We'll be alright on that score. You don't have to buy a player and then stop planning...
I think Woody would absolutely sign him over LVG's head, not giving a toss about how he fits into the team. Ed's 100% muppet.
Not to mention Fergie, who would probably convince LvG over a bottle of port.
Which players are coming through that you can see being first team quality? I can only think of three
Just out of interest.
The only troubling issue is the only other player in Europe available is Cavani, I just hope other areas of the squad are addressed because a big signing like that would have to be balanced.
The only bit that makes me say yes with the figure touted is the new deal which gives clubs much more income, plus the shirt sponsorship deal.
I know if United came knocking he'd say yes, and the league is starved of top players like him, currently La Liga is the best league in the world.
Age is the main factor, in the summer Falcao will be gone, RvP will and Chicharito in my opinion, so a striker does need to be bought, he would pay for himself (Ronaldo).
Who do you replace him with in 2-3 years when he's 33-34? I personally don't want him but I know he would add goals to the team which we do struggle with.
Out of the youth players currently I rate Pereira, Januzaj and Wilson and I don't know if they'll make it fully at senior level yet I'm hopeful though.
I was thinking mostly strikers but Wilson has a great chance. We don't know if Keane will get another chance but if we're playing one up top, we have Adnan still developing. We just bought in depay. We're not too shabby. What we have at the minute is a squad where you can say, the first 11 isn't a certainty. All that means is, it's an opportunity for someone to make the position their own. It's difficult to say or even know but as long as there's potential there, then there's always a chance. I remember some coaches never thought Neville would make it and there's that story about Robson asking Sir Alex about Scholes. You just never know
Ronaldo also did 40+ goals at United, I think he'll get 40+ goals next season if we sign him, he's actually better than when he left.
Sell Rooney and RVP to buy Ronaldo. Sorted.
I don't think any executive in their right mind will turn down the chance to sign Ronaldo.
as I've already said, and Sarni too, we never buy players with the expectation of re-selling them.
Bale has a longer shelf life, but there will be plenty of opportunity to sign him in the future if we really want to. he's destined to leave Madrid at some point.
I don't think we need an expensive striker like Cavani, who will probably wind up in Italy anyway. A player like Lacazette would do nicely as a complement to Rooney, and alongside Depay and Ronaldo in attack. Dumping Falcao and RvP's wages would easily allow for Ronaldo's, as well as another player like Depay.
The shirt sponsorship deal, TV broadcasting revenue going up makes it quite a comfortable transfer to pull off, then also being able to buy 2 other world class players as a result helps (and returning Falcao).
I wouldn't say sell Rooney, he's a very good player technically and his passing is a good thing to have, I'd actually say sell Mata if one player had to go.
If we signed Ronaldo, I'd get rid of RvP and return Falcao. No way we can justify those wages. Ronaldo will be wanting about 400-500k a week -- that only works if he plays as a striker.
I forgot about Lacazette strangely he's had a brilliant season, I can see someone like Liverpool going after him this summer, I've only caught highlights of him and knowing how well he's done I've not watched a full live game so I can't really give judgement on him.
Falcao and RvP will be gone yes, and I don't believe Cavani is the right option either (hence saying he's the only top class player in that position available this summer, and let's face it he's top class but I wouldn't say world class).
There's no place for van Persie anyway, or Falcao, there's place for Rooney though I think the way he plays on the field is what you want from a Manchester United player and he's the captain, that won't change.
I don't actually think we should sell Rooney, just replying to above posts saying we have old forwards.
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