Just check the Greenwood thread posts pre arrest when you have time. Sounds like you have difficulty agreeing with someone you have deep disdain for.You, you mean? Young players are always going to be consistent and seemingly always judged harshly. By his own admission, he doesn't try to teach the young players anything anyway. Like most of his points, it's slightly contradictory.
He seems to have lost the plot with that post and taken things personally.Really?
Just check the Greenwood thread posts pre arrest when you have time. Sounds like you have difficulty agreeing with someone you have deep disdain for.
He didn't call the Glazers out, did he? Did he mention their name?Like hundreds of others. He is the only current player to have called them out.
Its the same with fans in the stadium, they are paying for tickets but at least they’re calling them out.
In my view, even if he has said things which we all (largely) principally agree with (for example thematic negatives about the Glazers), I am confused as to why people seem to be praising him for it. It matters not that he said it but why he said it. And you’d need to have your head in a giant pot of sand to not understand that he’s clearly done this to suit his personal agenda, evidenced by his other comments throughout the interview. He isn’t saying anything because he loves Man Utd, he’s saying it all because he wants something and also the attention. This is important, and why there is no reason to give him any credit for anything that he said.
Maybe for a different thread but it’s Ronaldo related I guess. Shirt sales aren’t really that immediately lucrative at all comparatively for the club, they’re lucrative for the manufacturer. That said in the first 24h Ronaldo made Juve around 7.5m EUR in direct shirt sales which isn’t exactly insignificant (Independent calculated adidas taking 90%). Monetisation even short term would come mainly from social media and strategic partnerships.
When Ronaldo joined Juve, already a huge club and well known particularly in Europe. Their followers across Twitter, Instagram etc. jumped 62% when he signed - their stock increased 11% in a day. In China alone Juve followers on Weibo rose by nearly 70%. China is an icon market, many fans follow players not clubs (same for South Korea and Son where we used to dominate and now lag way behind Spurs as another example. There are now more Spurs fans in Korea than the U.K.) which is what I think Boehly is very aware of with his whole ‘franchise player’ chat.
I don't support the way he went about doing it but am equally concerned when people miss or ignore some of the valid points he made, even if the motivations were not completely altruistic. Won't pull quotes but I believe some even defended the club and owners when the comments first surfaced.I'm not sure what you mean. You said 'we' so I was pointing out I didn't include myself in that and I don't bother with performance threads as they're really not worth it. A lot of its knee-jerk stuff.
Ronaldo made a lot of shallow points with no real insight at all and the one about youth players was along the same lines. As was pointed out similar was said about Ronaldo's generation. I disagree with him publically slating young players, saying that they wouldn't be able to achieve longevity, and then going on to name Dalot, Martinez, and Casemiro as the only ones that would. That's really poor from a so-called senior player who was captain in a recent match. How do you think that will go down with all of the young players not mentioned?
Fair play to him for calling out the Glazers.
Yeah - although I mean it was just massively obvious anyway.Piers Morgan admitted as much on Talksport. He said his goal was to move to another club, preferably in the CL.
Piers Morgan admitted as much on Talksport. He said his goal was to move to another club, preferably in the CL.
He seems to have lost the plot with that post and taken things personally.
I don't support the way he went about doing it but am equally concerned when people miss or ignore some of the valid points he made, even if the motivations were not completely altruistic. Won't pull quotes but I believe some even defended the club and owners when the comments first surfaced.
I’m sorry but I just fundamentally disagree with this. If someone has done something wrong as a whole, it’s irrelevant if there might be a minute part of their wrong action that in isolation can be considered as right. Anyone is well within their rights of course to focus on those valid points, but, in my opinion, it’d be the wrong take away from that situation. And would only detract from that wrong action they took. So in my view, it’s not worth even mentioning. There are plenty of people who do have the clubs best interests at heart making the same points he is, we don’t need to listen to Ronaldo drop them in amongst his other disrespectful comments. If anything, it undermines the point even more.I don't support the way he went about doing it but am equally concerned when people miss or ignore some of the valid points he made, even if the motivations were not completely altruistic. Won't pull quotes but I believe some even defended the club and owners when the comments first surfaced.
But his overall play was below the required standard.
The team also scored a lot fewer goals than previously without him.
Won't pull quotes but I believe some even defended the club and owners when the comments first surfaced.
Piers Morgan, Souness or Ronaldo?Scarily narcissistic and out of touch.
Plus he is right about the youth players attitude.
… Game set and match to Ronaldo.
The old boys don't need protecting from misguided minions and I've made my thoughts clear on the Glazers on numerous occasions.This is the worst propaganda shit I’ve ever read Are you protection the Glazers or the old boys club (SAF, Robson..)?
Ole never wanted Ronaldo. We can blaim him for not having the guts to stand up against the system (like Klopp, Pep, Arteta would’ve done), but to say Ole was the driving force… We all know Ole was a nodding doll.
This is the biggest thing for me - as a team we scored 16 goals less than the season before and 7 less than the season before that. We also went from a 3rd place finish to a 2nd and to a 6th.
Our downturn from 2020-2021 to 21/22 was due to bringing back Ronaldo.
Really?
I literally said shirt sales are NOT where clubs make their money. Did you bother to read the rest or just being difficult?7.5M is insignificant when the player makes 31m(not including taxes) and you paid 100m in transfer fee. In order to be lucrative you have to make money out of it and Juventus didn't.
But did they say it like he did? About the technology and facilities being the same as when he left? Maybe some degree of exaggeration, but when you look at the state of our training grounds, stadium, women's facilities over the last few years, our recruiting department...is it really so far fetched?I’m sorry but I just fundamentally disagree with this. If someone has done something wrong as a whole, it’s irrelevant if there might be a minute part of their wrong action that in isolation can be considered as right. Anyone is well within their rights of course to focus on those valid points, but, in my opinion, it’d be the wrong take away from that situation. And would only detract from that wrong action they took. So in my view, it’s not worth even mentioning. There are plenty of people who do have the clubs best interests at heart making the same points he is, we don’t need to listen to Ronaldo drop them in amongst his other disrespectful comments. If anything, it undermines the point even more.
Why is he suddenly so in demand among all the loons (Kanye and that bald sexist youtybe guy too)? I thought he was considerd to be a bit of a joke in the UK.
Whether I agree or disagree with what he is saying isn’t the point though. He could be absolutely spot on, but it’s irrelevant.But did they say it like he did? About the technology and facilities being the same as when he left? Maybe some degree of exaggeration, but when you look at the state of our training grounds, stadium, women's facilities over the last few years, our recruiting department...is it really so far fetched?
That's true for literally every generations, not everyone makes it, the small difference is that current youth players are ready sooner because they are expected to act professionally sooner. And I'm talking about 14 to 20, the current players are more professional than their predecessors.
What he is saying is what everyone has been saying. Most United fans have been saying this, which is the reason for the Glazer out movement.
Him coming out saying this knowing fully that the fans will side by him if he says what the fans know about the club.
He knows what he is doing, why did he wait now to do this? 18 months after he came? Where was all of this when last season finished?
I dont buy this from Ronaldo. Him saying the new way of football is not for him and running isn't for him when that is what has won the league for the last 5 years. He talks about City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool being ahead but doesn't like that football they play, he wants it to be his style.
Also, regardless of how big the club is, you don't undermine the manager, Ronaldo has done that with Rangnick and EtH then says he prefers to lead by example? What kind of example is he setting?
Finally, we have also seen reports that since EtH has come in, there has been modernisation at the club.
Greenwood had every right not to listen to Ronaldo with his record and Ronaldo had more than a right not to take to Greenwood.Just check the Greenwood thread posts pre arrest when you have time. Sounds like you have difficulty agreeing with someone you have deep disdain for.
You could consider Ronaldo's comments about the club (direction after Fergie) as something positive - yes. Of course. He's a high-profile individual saying the Glazers have been shite - more or less. So, yeah - that isn't a bad thing in isolation.
It does nothing to redeem Ronaldo himself, though. He has zero credibility as someone "calling out" the Glazers. It's all very transparent to anyone with half a brain.
Context is important. This is self promotion interview. If he is really concerned about the club then there are better ways of expressing his opinion. But today it seems he is using fan‘s emotions to push his agenda and most here are refusing to play in his hand, and rightly so.I don't support the way he went about doing it but am equally concerned when people miss or ignore some of the valid points he made, even if the motivations were not completely altruistic. Won't pull quotes but I believe some even defended the club and owners when the comments first surfaced.