Hope he never comes back
Me too we’ve got Romelu as our main attacker none of that 50 goals a season nonsense for us !!
Come home Ronny 2 more years at the theatre of dreams
Cristiano Ronaldo | Real confirm deal
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Hope he never comes back
Me too we’ve got Romelu as our main attacker none of that 50 goals a season nonsense for us !!
Come home Ronny 2 more years at the theatre of dreams
Do you expect your employers to pay your income tax when you evade it? Ronaldo has no excuse. He should have people in his employ looking out for his personal interests. Im sure he must have accountants on his payroll. If they didnt make him aware of his duty to pay his taxes they must've aided him to evade it.
Now in a way you can understand Zidane walking away. Let somebody else deal with him.
If the Spanish authorities had any balls it would be a one year prison sentence for tax evasion.....maybe we would get him on a free on his release?
He's likely to get one, Messi got 21 months but in Spain any sentence under 2 gets suspended.
That's a joke, then maybe he should get 2 years and one day.
That can work, although you would need 3 years to get him on a free!
We will still likely be playing Young out wide so might still be worth waiting on.
I'm not the greatest player of all time and don't bring my employer millions in revenue due to my name being on the back of a shirt.
I don't know who files Ronaldo's taxes but I'm almost certain he doesn't do it. Why would he do it? He pays people to take care of this stuff for him.
The strange thing is though, Messi, Mascherano, Mourinho, Xavi Alonso, Neymar, Alexi Sanchez and Marcelo have all been charged with the same offence. All of which have nothing to do with the money they receive from their clubs in the form of salary.
All the tax evasion claims are based on the sale of their image rights being based outside of Spain despite living in Spain, normally their home countries or some tax haven tiny island. This law only changed in the last few years when the Spanish government started cracking down on it. When Beckham originally joined Madrid, he was only paying 24% tax due to the law then, so you can see how sudden changes in the law over a short period have caught a few people with their pants down. Either that or it's the same person doing everyone's tax and their fecking rubbish at it.
Either way, if I were Ronaldo and Madrid were my employer, I would definitely be asking for a pay rise to recover the loss or for them to foot the bill. He's already underpaid compared to Messi and Neymar so you can see why this might upset him further.
I don't sympathize with him or any of those other players guilty of the same thing. I don't see why you think Madrid should be held responsible for their star player not paying his taxes. These players know what they were engaging in and they simply gave the green light to their handlers to take care of it and keep their pockets deep. They are tax cheats, period. I even remember Real backing Ronaldo when it was first reported in the football leaks that he reported 11.5M Euros in income when he should've reported 43M. This was for the years between 2011-13. Having other people file your taxes is no excuse for being so ignorant of what exactly they're doing and signing in your name.
Pivotal summer this for Ronaldo in many ways,funnily and bizarrely enough if he is ever coming back to Utd then its in 2018 or never!
People act as though Ronaldo will be paying PAYE tax and has maliciously defrauded the government by evading this. It very rarely occurs like that.
The amount or times I've seen people be paid dividends that amount to several times the average annual wage on one hit... By the time their tax bill comes the following year their money is either spent or is tied up in non-liquid assets that can't be immediately liquidated.
It isn't done with malice... Rich people are identical to the general public in that they live to their means. The problem is that rich people aren't taxed at source like the general public because of the way they earn their money, so they believe their means to be far greater than reality.
Could you imagine the situation in the UK if instead of paying PAYE a person on £30k a year was paid his gross salary including NI and was given a £7k tax bill the following year... Literally 95+% of the public would not be in a position to pay the tax bill they owe and would be defrauding the government annually.
Ronaldo is stupid as he should have people around him that set this money aside on his behalf. However to believe that he's been more careless than the majority of people in the same situation is naive given my experience.
The amount or times I've seen people be paid dividends that amount to several times the average annual wage on one hit... By the time their tax bill comes the following year their money is either spent or is tied up in non-liquid assets that can't be immediately liquidated.
It isn't done with malice... Rich people are identical to the general public in that they live to their means. The problem is that rich people aren't taxed at source like the general public because of the way they earn their money, so they believe their means to be far greater than reality.
Could you imagine the situation in the UK if instead of paying PAYE a person on £30k a year was paid his gross salary including NI and was given a £7k tax bill the following year... Literally 95+% of the public would not be in a position to pay the tax bill they owe and would be defrauding the government annually.
Ronaldo is stupid as he should have people around him that set this money aside on his behalf. However to believe that he's been more careless than the majority of people in the same situation is naive given my experience.
there is no naivety at play here quite the reverse, a deliberate and willful attempt to get around the tax legislation.
Ronaldo and many other extremely rich people pay very expensive financial accountants to avoid as much tax as they can. They invest in schemes to try and avoid paying their share of tax revenues.
It's a fine line between evasion and avoidance but they are seeking any legal loop hole and scheme to minimise paying tax.
Someone on benefits would do time for claiming a thousand pounds they weren't entitled to get the super rich can get away with cheating taxpayers out of millions.
Again that is absolutely not my experience with wealthy people. From my experience they often pay annually what that average person pays in their lifetime whilst accessing far less public services in return and are not the least bit bitter about it.
However the general public seem to believe that with wealth comes innate fiscal responbility, which is absolutely not the case. The wealthy people I know are born from very little and spend what they earn on frivolities that they see as within their means. It's only later when a large tax bill hits them that they realise what they thought was within their means in fact was not.
People in this situation fall into three categories. Firstly wealthy and innately fiscally responsible. These people are the same people that would save a £5k house deposit whilst working two minimum wage jobs and owning a Nokia 8210. Secondly wealthy and well advised. These people would live beyond their means without even thinking without good people around them. A £200k dividend hits their account and their advisors squirrel a portion away and they live happily within these means. Thirdly wealthy, normal and either not advised or ill-advised. These people see £200k hit their account and spend most on expensive frivolities... Their £100k tax bill is tomorrow's problem.
The belief that anyone that earns a great salary suddenly becomes a covetous, greedy fraudster is one that's hugely perpetuated by the uninformed but vocal "bankers and their bonuses" crew, but is generally totally false.
The vast majority of rich people I've come across are normal people done good who aren't suddenly fiscal geniuses the second they are worth £1m.
In fact one bit of research about Ronaldo shows he's donated millions to philanthropic projects across the globe throughout the duration of his career. I find it bizarre that people think he'd be giving away millions on one hand but intentionally and willfully defrauding the government on the other.
I'll reiterate the point: if every single person in the UK had to pay their tax bill retroactively a year or years after earning the money... Almost everyone would be deemed a greedy fraudster by these definitions.
Imagine the position you'd be in today if the government said that you owed £15k of taxable income that was not deducted over the last 10 years. I'm sure you'd happily write the cheque tomorrow... Or would you be a cheating crook and try to defraud your country by querying, questioning and appealing?
That is very interesting reply thanks. You obviously associate with a group of very rich but very upstanding and decent people.
I was not generalising about wealthy people, many as you say use their wealth in a socially positive way and beyond the positive tax incentives to give to charitable causes.
I take your point about the impact of a large retrospective tax bill on a wealthy but not super rich individual. They may not have saved or invested their new wealth to be ready to pay a significant unexpected tax bill. However Ronaldo and Messi are super rich individuals and I would find it very hard to believe that they are currently unable to pay their bills, rather they would prefer to attempt to settle for a much lesser amount and not have to sell a house or car to fund it.
Lots of the rich celebrities were caught in the tax avoidance schemes ( Jimmy Carr et al) . Lots of big business do the same and of course that is a much greater problem than one individual however the fine is for a failure to pay a reasonable amount of tax on what must be hundreds of millions of income.
To suggest that your employer pay some of it does for me hint at a delusional level of entitlement on his part.
I was not generalising about wealthy people, many as you say use their wealth in a socially positive way and beyond the positive tax incentives to give to charitable causes.
I take your point about the impact of a large retrospective tax bill on a wealthy but not super rich individual. They may not have saved or invested their new wealth to be ready to pay a significant unexpected tax bill. However Ronaldo and Messi are super rich individuals and I would find it very hard to believe that they are currently unable to pay their bills, rather they would prefer to attempt to settle for a much lesser amount and not have to sell a house or car to fund it.
Lots of the rich celebrities were caught in the tax avoidance schemes ( Jimmy Carr et al) . Lots of big business do the same and of course that is a much greater problem than one individual however the fine is for a failure to pay a reasonable amount of tax on what must be hundreds of millions of income.
To suggest that your employer pay some of it does for me hint at a delusional level of entitlement on his part.
Most rich people invest in holding companies owned by structres such as trusts etc in legislations where taxation is more adantageous. This is normal.
No employer should take care of his workers unpaid tax bill.
Where’s your humanity?
It could be that Madrid told him what to do to save taxes so that they, the club, could low-ball their offer and spare the wage bill a bit. Now that he got screwed he wants them to pay up. Theoretically plausible.
Very possible as so many Madrid players have fallen under the microscope of the tax authorities.
2 Questions: (I don't feel any entitlement to answers, I'm just curious)
1. Presumably Ronaldo has already paid tax in the country the income was registered in (Ireland, I think). Now, obviously the tax in Ireland must be lower than that in Spain, but it would still have been paid. I imagine that would only further complicate things. Saying that, I'm no expert.
2. Does anyone know if Real Madrid received a percentage of his image rights? Because if they did, they should help him with the payment. Real have certainly benefited massively from his marketability over the years.
1. Presumably Ronaldo has already paid tax in the country the income was registered in (Ireland, I think). Now, obviously the tax in Ireland must be lower than that in Spain, but it would still have been paid. I imagine that would only further complicate things. Saying that, I'm no expert.
2. Does anyone know if Real Madrid received a percentage of his image rights? Because if they did, they should help him with the payment. Real have certainly benefited massively from his marketability over the years.
Ronaldo has been so important and influential in Madrid that Madrid is pretty much his bitch. I think there's no other player who holds as much power as Ronaldo, He's that good that Real Madrid has to bend over to his will whenever He doesn't like something.
It's unreal.
It's unreal.
As somebody who runs his own business, I find it absurd to offer the excuse that because his tax is due after the financial year has ended, he is totally ignorant of his dues. He almost certainly has options of when and how to pay. He would have accountants to look after his affairs and if there is no communication between them, then he ought to find somebody who can communicate. Most footballers give to charities. It is a tax deduction that usually allows them to stay in a lower tax bracket. He’s not a child, ffs.
Never heard this one before!
Peter Lim (Valencia owner) holds his image rights if I remember correctly.
I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay Madrid a fortune for a fading force.
I wonder if he's thought about going back to Portugal? Surely he doesn't need the money
Are we at the I just want to focus on the World Cup and I'll say more what that's over stage yet?
Yeah right
Messi is even more powerful at Barca.
Good god, I hope I didn't just start another Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
He's at 2/5 to stay at Madrid. I wish I had 10 grand lying around so I could make an easy 4 grand. It's the same shit every year.
Messi is even more powerful at Barca.
Good god, I hope I didn't just start another Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
This is the sequel:
Messi & Ronaldo - Together Against The World (Or Battling The Evil Empires/How To Evade Tax Without Getting The Blame)
I swear that the "irreversible decision" line was exactly what they all spouted last Summer...
Fed up of it now.
Messi is even more powerful at Barca.
Good god, I hope I didn't just start another Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
No worries because its absolutely true. Messi has more power in Barsa. He actually got the club to go along with the cringeworthy "Todos somos Messi" campaign (we're all Messi) when he had issues with the tax authorities.
Reports that Madrid will not be giving him a new contract.
This is interesting.
I doubt Madrid will want to sell him, and will potentially tell his suitors to meet his buyout clause. They are also unlikely to meet his wage demands because of the fear of being saddled with an old player on such massive wages. So he is basically "stuck" at Madrid.
This is interesting.
I doubt Madrid will want to sell him, and will potentially tell his suitors to meet his buyout clause. They are also unlikely to meet his wage demands because of the fear of being saddled with an old player on such massive wages. So he is basically "stuck" at Madrid.
That is one of the most cringeworthy things I have ever seen in sport.
Tbf to the rich when you pay millions in tax and its deductible things arent as white and black.
Some normal workers could claim buying a 200 quid shoes as work related and add it as tax deductibles.
It will really get complicated if you're from another country with unaccounted accrued income such as royalty, performance bonuses, income rise from increased fame, investment loses and gains, stock market, property lost, etc. It wont be as simple as 30 percent of your monthly salary.
Some normal workers could claim buying a 200 quid shoes as work related and add it as tax deductibles.
It will really get complicated if you're from another country with unaccounted accrued income such as royalty, performance bonuses, income rise from increased fame, investment loses and gains, stock market, property lost, etc. It wont be as simple as 30 percent of your monthly salary.
If only he'd make an irreversible decision to shut the feck up and stop being a self-absorbed bellend.
Law of probabilities suggests so.At some point surely this has got to be true...
He's been threatening to leave for 6 years.
Such a toxic situation. So much for the club is bigger than any player.
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