Its a very weak excuse indeed. Isn't Mendes also behind a lot of his tax evasion schemes? He apparently set up Ronaldo's tax shelters.
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Its a very weak excuse indeed. Isn't Mendes also behind a lot of his tax evasion schemes? He apparently set up Ronaldo's tax shelters.
Yeah. He set up schemes for his clients to avoid paying tax on image rights. Ronaldo claims that income was generated outside Spain and wasn't aware that was taxable in Spain. Think that was a new law as well. Foreign nationals used to pay a lower rate of tax in Spain as well. His defence and thus anger at Madrid is that they should have compensated him as the contract was agreed before those new laws came into effect. He might have a point against Madrid if his wages were agreed after tax like they always quote on the Spanish press. I don't feel sorry for him though.
He has enough money to last him 100000 life times, but he still tries to evade tax and then when caught throws a tantrum because someone else won't pay his fines. fecking despicable
Not surprised he's unhappy about Real not paying his fine. It would mean he's been playing for Madrid for about a year and a half for free. Can see why he wants a pay rise to recoup some of that loss.
Funny how the Messi brigade now thinks it’s despicable to evade tax yet ‘everybody does it’ just a few years ago.
I'm not sure that I would place all the blame on Mendes, the same scheme were suggested to Ødegaard when he signed for Real.
He declined btw.
He declined btw.
No. They are a Madrid based paper. Just like Marca.
Mundo Deportivo are the Barca paper.
Come on.
You just want to use that as a diversion.
If either of them are guilty, they should either pay up or face the full might of the law. And it's not just Ronaldo or Messi either. Should apply to everyone.
I think quite the opposite. I think Ronaldos could have been saved with the right positioning and awareness of the keeper. Bales looked fast and hard to save
Just pay up Ronnie.
In fairness didn't Ronaldo basically flirt with real in his post match interview with United.. . Standard for him... great player... bit of a plonker (though it's served him well if you look at his earnings )
If you exercise contractual rights you talk to the other side or a lawyer, you don't create some drama in the media.
So tired of this guy, fecking uses United as a contract renewal pawn every year then he cries when he fecks up and with taxes and want his club to pay it he wants to leave.
Hope he never comes back.
He fits well in FC Circus in Spain.
Hope he never comes back.
He fits well in FC Circus in Spain.
I agree and usually that tax risks belong to the employee not the employer. We don't go running to our bosses for a wage rise when government increases our tax.
Think he's just miffed Madrid have told him where to go.
So Ronaldo, knowingly avoided taxes (bullshit to think he was oblivious) and wants Madrid to pay it? How money hungry is this cnut. He's worth 400m and only wants to pay 50% of what he owes? It's not like it's someone coming after his money, that money was never his in the first place onve he moved to Spain for work and became a tax player.
So my take on this would be if existing laws were broken, or fraud was committed then everybody involved should be punished/fined etc.... But it does look like Ronaldo has a case for the defense. From my understanding, Ronaldo was taking advantage of the Beckham Tax Law in Spain. Which gives a reduced rate of 24% on the first €600,000 earned. Here is the best part, under the Beckham Law, any income outside of Spain remains tax-free, providing that tax is paid in the jurisdiction where the earnings are made.
If you bring the money onshore you could get hit with a tax of 52%. But you can only take advantage of the Beckham Law for 6 years. Since 2015 Ronaldo's eligibility for this law expired, but on the 1st January 2015, the law was reformed and excluded athletes from the scheme
From an old article in The Guardian: " from 2011 to 2014 he defrauded the Spanish treasury of €14.7m in taxes." and "It is alleged that he concealed income from the sale of image rights through a financial structure that diverted the money via Ireland to a tax haven in the British Virgin Islands."
The tax structure Ronaldo has is very popular with Multi-National Corporations. For example, GOOGLE HQ in Ireland pays a large tax-free royalty each year to GOOGLE in the Burmuda for use of their software products.
So the situation is not very clear, seems like Ronaldo did everything by the book, except the British Virgin Island tax haven scheme. But even then the Spanish Authority has no right to any income earned for Ronaldo's image rights until 2015, which were earned outside of Spain.
Also this new figure of €28m, I'm not sure but that seems excessive.
Forbes: "The claimed reporting shortfall of €31.5m translates into additional tax due of €14.7m ($17m) but when interest, fines, and costs are added the tax authority wants Ronaldo to pay €28m ($32.5m)."
This is a 50% tax rate (€14.7m) on image rights, with €13.3m in fines and interest. Seems extortionate at this rate.
If you bring the money onshore you could get hit with a tax of 52%. But you can only take advantage of the Beckham Law for 6 years. Since 2015 Ronaldo's eligibility for this law expired, but on the 1st January 2015, the law was reformed and excluded athletes from the scheme
From an old article in The Guardian: " from 2011 to 2014 he defrauded the Spanish treasury of €14.7m in taxes." and "It is alleged that he concealed income from the sale of image rights through a financial structure that diverted the money via Ireland to a tax haven in the British Virgin Islands."
The tax structure Ronaldo has is very popular with Multi-National Corporations. For example, GOOGLE HQ in Ireland pays a large tax-free royalty each year to GOOGLE in the Burmuda for use of their software products.
So the situation is not very clear, seems like Ronaldo did everything by the book, except the British Virgin Island tax haven scheme. But even then the Spanish Authority has no right to any income earned for Ronaldo's image rights until 2015, which were earned outside of Spain.
Also this new figure of €28m, I'm not sure but that seems excessive.
Forbes: "The claimed reporting shortfall of €31.5m translates into additional tax due of €14.7m ($17m) but when interest, fines, and costs are added the tax authority wants Ronaldo to pay €28m ($32.5m)."
This is a 50% tax rate (€14.7m) on image rights, with €13.3m in fines and interest. Seems extortionate at this rate.
I agre 100% that they and everyone should pay their taxes.
It’s just funny how some peopel’s tone about tax evasion completely changes depending who’s doing the evading.
For the record, if Ronaldo gets Real to cough up, good for him. If not, he’ll pay it.
Under no circumstance will the Spanish authorities lose out.
This is sad. Grow a pair dude.
I'd love our club to issue a statement that would put an end to the whole "saga". There is literally no club that would be interested in him at this point so CR camp will try to use us again.
I'd love our club to issue a statement that would put an end to the whole "saga". There is literally no club that would be interested in him at this point so CR camp will try to use us again.
Pretty much this. That said, Ronaldo should just cough up what he owes and be done with it.
pretty much summed it up perfectly
He didnt pay taxes from his salaries at Madrid... Why should Madrid pay his taxes ?
Then we are on the same page.
I like Messi but he should pay his taxes too. Jose also had a similar case. He isn't exempted either if guilty.
They won't give him a brand new 5 year contract like he wants. They are probably offering a 1 year extension. Depending on who the new manager is, he might ask to leave.
He recently settled the matter with the Spanish authorities outside of court.
Strange, as his problems are solved every year with money. Even though its not about the money
He's been in Madrid for 9 years, renewed his contract twice.
I think he is starting to realise he hasn;t got the influence at Madrid he used to have. Seems to me he used to get what he wants but now that he is getting on a bit and is arguably 'replaceable' Madrid can tell him to feck off with his demands.
He's got money coming out of his asshole. For him it's more about being recognized.
They don't treat him well there at Madrid. The fans and the board.
Yes, that's why he generally shuts up after getting more money from the club. I'm pretty sure that money is not the only factor but you talking as if Ronaldo is some sort of a neglected child only kicking up a fuss because he's not loved, just get real man ffs
This is the key here
They claim rights over that income, because even if the money came from outside of Spain, he did the job in Spain (specifically, ads he shot in Madrid). That's what enraged him, and what no one predicted, because I think this may be the first time.
The fine is just in the same line of what they did with Messi, he was condemned for €4.1M and him + his father (hence, Leo) had to pay a fine of €3.3M. In this cases Hacienda fleece you with fees for everything.
I imagine there’s so many people in this thread commenting about how we’d be crazy to want Ronaldo and it’s far too late and when will this rumour die etc... who in reality would literally wank themselves to sleep if he signed again for us.
Yup, I read that somewhere, Spanish authorities are claiming the work Ronaldo did, Adverts, Wear Addidas Shoes etc.... all took place in Spain.
I find it strange that his team of accountants/lawyers etc... can't find a way out of this.
Even though it's only been 2 renewals in 9 years?
Guilty as charged.
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I loved Cristiano a lot when he was at OT, supported him for years starting from his debut but now that chapter is good and over now. He has done well for himself at Madrid, won 4 CLs and made the right choice to play with a world class team like Real while we declined after he left us. But he's simply not the player anymore that he used to be, even though he's still scoring goals and making a few assists. He still plays well inside the box, makes good runs and scores goals and can be considered a top striker. But I don't think he's simply good anymore when outside the box, he looks the type to easily get dispossessed off the ball, and is simply not the player we need anymore. At tops, he still has 2 good years left in him so there's no point buying him for an insane sum and paying huge wages when we could invest that money in a younger player. I hope some of us fans don't forget that he has used as bait for contract renewal at Madrid a couple of times. He's trying to do the same now, by throwing a fit and wanting Real to pay his taxes but everyone knows now that he's getting older and his influence in a game, has diminished a lot compared to his past standards. I don't want him to sign again for us, I know a lot of the fans will see it as the 'homecoming' of the golden boy and expect similar kind of influence from him through his goals, but he's just not that player anymore that we should be looking at.
So, exactly the same as last year... Isn’t he looking for Perez to pull some political strings and loosen up the charges?
Same propaganda. Feck off.
This thread will be repeated for a few more years yet.
I can see it being 2022, he's just retired from the Portugeezers, and comes back here at 37 for one last season.
Is fairly dreadful, but still top scorer, and then he Rooney's off to America, or wherever the highest money is for a couple more years
I can see it being 2022, he's just retired from the Portugeezers, and comes back here at 37 for one last season.
Is fairly dreadful, but still top scorer, and then he Rooney's off to America, or wherever the highest money is for a couple more years
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