Given that you've already literally made up alternative facts in this thread and there's a poster disputing the points total you posted, I think you're better off providing a source for the 37 points claim.
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Given that you've already literally made up alternative facts in this thread and there's a poster disputing the points total you posted, I think you're better off providing a source for the 37 points claim.
Last season we ended up with 58 points in 38 matches. This season we have 39 points after 20 matches.
You really want to die on this hill?
Was the first result on Google for point total after 20 games
https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-premier-league-2021-2022-spieltag/20/
Even if it was 31, how many of the 8 points can be attributed to 250m in signings, a free transfer of eriksen and a new manager. And yes the end of the season was horrific, our manager had been in Russia for the years before he took over, the rangnick era was one of the worst times ever, but I'm sure you don't consider the manager important in football, there's only one variable that matters to you and its the man you hate more than anyone in the world
That number sounds more likely but the link I checked had it at 37 and I posted in here
GW 22 last year (21 games for united) - 7th place with 35 points
https://www.premierleague.com/match/66553
https://www.premierleague.com/match/66553
This link teansfermarkt also has 37 points after 20 games, table on the right hand side
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/spieltag/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2021/spieltag/20
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/spieltag/wettbewerb/GB1/saison_id/2021/spieltag/20
Again, last season we had 58 points after 38 matches. We just got rid of Ronaldo. Let's say how many points and what position we are at at the end of the season.
The last bit is laughable. You fanboys really are emotional wrecks
I don't think at any point Zidane was ever the world's best player.
Again, last season we had 58 points after 38 matches. We just got rid of Ronaldo. Let's say how many points and what position we are at at the end of the season.
The last bit is laughable. You fanboys really are emotional wrecks
So according to you changing rangnick for ten hag and adding casemiro and eriksen in place of Fred and mctominay makes no difference whatsoever, its just Ronaldo changing?
I mean rangnick (and solskjaer tbf) are both unlikely to even get a job in the bottom half of the league, but you must really rate them to feel that changing them for one of the best managers in the world, makes no difference
This doesn't account for postponed games.
Which means that it's not the first 20 games we played, it's the first 20 games in our schedule.
There we go. Not that it's relevant anyways. We will compare points totals and positions after the season ends. I'm willing to bet we will be better than 6th spot and 58 points.
I mean Zidane managed ronaldo's minutes when Zidane was Real manager, sorry if I've phrased that badly it seems to have confused a few people
Adding an ancient Eriksen is clearly not as big a factor in getting rid of a guy who needs the entire offense built around him.
Not sure what the strawman argument is about. But Ronaldo was clearly the biggest factor given how we declined when he joined and improved when he left.
Back to that excuse about how poor Ronaldo was overused. And that's why he performed poorly?
Oh OK thats quite an odd way to do it, so we're 8 points better off this year then. My feeling is that is down to bringing in a world class manager and spending g a fortune, we'd have been much worse off with this seasons Ronaldo up front, but last seasons with ten hag as coach an actual midfield i think we'd be doing as good or better, obviously can't verify that, but I'd say if you get 250m of signings, eriksen and a free and going from amateurs to world class as manager an 8 point jump is around par
Not if Ronaldo was as good as you think he was. Offloading him shouldn't improve us. At best, ancient Eriksen would help lessen the decline.
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he's 30 you absolute lunatic. Plus you ignored casemiro joining, and swapping amateur coaches for a world class one, given how much of the 8 extra points you attribute to Ronaldo leaving you must feel that 250m plus a much better coach is only worth an extra point or 2 over 20 games. That means we'll need to spend about 4 billion if we're to ever overtake cityThat's 8 points in January. Let's see the end of season difference.
Don't forget, we blew a few points with Ronaldo in the team at the beginning of the season.
Don't forget, we blew a few points with Ronaldo in the team at the beginning of the season.
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You can keep emotionally throwing childish insults but you still haven't explained why we regressed the moment Ronaldo joined.
A better coach is the difference between 6th spot and 3rd. As is Ronaldo leaving. Try harder.
58 points at the end of the season. Let's see. We already have 39 now.
Yeah we were worse towards the end of last season after we appointed a manager who hasn't managed at a level even approaching the championship in years, I'd hope by now this is the one club where people can see how important a manager is.
We did, but last season we also lost points in games Ronaldo didn't play and this season he scored the winner against Everton, so it might be easier to just compare season to season. My feeling is having an actual midfield and a competent manager is the biggest difference, yes Ronaldo was done this year, but not last year
It's not really that odd. As I said before, you really should focus on not making up stuff. Focus on your posts rather than getting things wrong, getting called out on lying, and backtracking.
My feeling is that the offense isn't built around one guy who barely wants to move. Let's see whether we get more than 58 points this year.
We didn't regress we just reverted to type, solskjaer had two 66 point finishes and was on course for a third when he was sacked last year. He had one season where he exceeded that and it was the season that the data shows was significantly different without crowds, you might want to disregard it but arguing with actual data is quite a difficult task, home advantage was decreased and this favoured a counter attacking side, as teams proved more willing to attack away from home with no crowds, either that or solskjaer was so good that he got us 2nd when ten hag after spending all that money won't exceed 3rd.
We almost certainly will, we don't have an amateur for a a coach this year. Even solskjaer if he stayed would have probably got mid 60 points again, rangnick was absolutely awful
Any way you try to spin it, lower points and less goals and going from 2nd to 6th is regressing. The season prior we were 3rd place.
You don't "regress to type" by putting up the worst point total in premier league history for the club
the same manager was there for multiple seasons and yet the team was never as bad as when Ronaldo was there. I wonder why?I didn't make it up I looked at two separate sites which both showed out points total after 20 games at 37 and apparently that's because they do it based on schedule rather than games played, that's an odd way to do things. Why the feck would anyone try and argue otherwise
We also don't have Ronaldo stinking up the place and miscontrolling balls. So yeah.
Any way you try to spin it, lower points and less goals and going from 2nd to 6th is regressing. The season prior we were 3rd place.
You don't "regress to type" by putting up the worst point total in premier league history for the club
So you must think solskjaer is better than ten hag he got second ten hag will get 3rd at best?
That's irrelevant. Let's assume Arsenal were as dominant in 2021 as they are now. How does a 3rd place finish for United in 2021 change the fact that they regressed with your idol?
I'll try explaining this to you in a way you might understand, since you're a Messi fanboy, I'm sure you've argued in his favour for psg. In the two seasons before he joined psg reached the final, and semi final of the champions league then Messi joins and they get knocked out in the last 16, maybe bayern knock them out in the last 16 again, does that mean he's made them worse? No, because correlation doesn't equal causation. For all your praise of how great we were before Ronaldo joined we couldn't even beat villareal in the europa league
final, yet as soon as Ronaldo joins we beat them home and away, so we must have been better right?
Or maybe as almost everyone who watches football knows, more than one factor matters, cavani basically started being injured unless Uruguay were playing, greenwood got arrested, none of that had anything to do with poorer performances, particularly in the second half of the season under rangnick which was worse, martial went on loan, greenwood got arrested on January was it, and cavani was constantly injured or unavailable, and the second half of our season under rangnick was much worse. But according to you the only difference was ronaldo
It's difficult to say last season vs this season because so many factors come in. For instance we had a very poor start this season compared to last.
But what you can't argue is that Ronaldo, for quite a long time (imo around 2015/16 season), has been a player that absolutely requires service to have any impact on the team. Outside of poaching, his contribution waned from season to season. His success at Real Madrid was as much due to his strong supporting cast as to his goalscoring abilities. The moment he left Madrid, his individual success diminished. In a less than perfect team that requires him to do more than just wait in the area for the final pass, such a player is a liability. It showed with Juve and than with us.
The main reason for his decline in other areas apart from scoring is that his athleticism was a major part of his game and naturally with age, it declines. He adapted by becoming a poacher since other facets of his game were never great anyway.
And I find it amusing how conceited he is even after a disastrous first half of the season including an anticlimactic world cup. "Unique player" indeed.
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Yeah he absolutely changed as a player though he was still far more than a poacher, even last season against spurs he scored that long range strike and scored from the corner and one on the counter. But I do agree that buying him to play at centre forward wasn't the best fit, though I guess our assumption was that cavani would play, even though he didn't score as many in the away game against spurs, I actually thought he was better playing alongside cavani, but it didn't really work out that way.
Even with juventus, he still had decent threat from range, and aerial ability, but yes his game became more about goalscoring, and his signing was probably not the best idea given the holes we had in our team. I actual reckon if we had Ronaldo from last summer joining this team, it would work quite well. But with such a big hole in midfield, signing someone who didn't press much was an example of Woodward incompetence. Same with pogba, I actually reckon him alongside casemiro would have been a great midfield, but instead we spent 90m on someone who we knew would offer little defensively and then didn't sign anyone who could fill that role alongside him. Very little joined up thinking in our transfer strategy
I'll try explaining this you in a simple way that you'll understand since you're a Ronaldo fanboy.
We were 3rd and then 2nd in the season prior to him joining. We immediately plummeted to 5th and watched our goals dry up when we built the attack around him. We have now magically improved and are in 3rd place after getting rid of him.
But according to your, that has nothing to do with Ronaldo. Wipe those tears are try make some sense.
That's what I find most amusing. And he and his fanboys (clearly) don't seem to have handled the world cup well
You're claiming it has everything to do with Ronaldo though, you don't think greenwood getting arrested (who many on here rated as being a £100m type of talent) impacted our attack last season. Or how about cavani deciding he only cared about Uruguay, that didn't affect it. Having two managers who wouldn't get a job managing a tesco? Nope, zero effect. And signing 250m of players had nothing to do with this improvement.
Also Liverpool and Chelsea have totally imploded this year, both of their point totals from last year would be ahead of what we're on course for this year. But again you think that has nothing to do with it.
You must really think Ronaldo is the most influential player in history given that his presence in the team is more important than nearly 400m in signings (when you include sancho and Varane) and a change in manager and two other top 4 rivals dropping to midtable form
Pull up the post where I said it's "only" about Ronaldo. It's the 3rd time this thread that you have blatantly made something up. I'll be waiting.
If you don't think Ronaldo was a big part of the reason the team magically plummeted from 6th spot and saw most of its players regress overnight only to then again "magically" improve when he left, you're as big of a fanboy as your posts suggest.
Any way you try to spin it, lower points and less goals and going from 2nd to 6th is regressing. The season prior we were 3rd place.
You don't "regress to type" by putting up the worst point total in premier league history for the club
This certainly implies that Ronaldo was the reason for the entire decline. We signed sancho for 80m he contributed far less attacking output than ronaldo and he's been totally absent this season when we've improved but you don't seem to blame him as a big reason. Even if you're saying ronaldo isn't the only reason he's the only reason you've focused on, and certainly seems to be the target of all the blame
Not really, most people who support United will have an affinity for players who won big trophies with us, this guy seems to spend his day's searching twitter for criticisms of Ronaldo from Saudi Arabia so he can post them.
It's the thing I've noticed on here, Ronaldo fans might rate Ronaldo over Messi or whatever. But the Messi fanboys seem to absolutely despise Ronaldo, on a personal and professional level
"Implies". No it doesn't. In other words you were called our for yourself third lie and don't have a rebuttal.
The last sentence is another stupid one. Saying that someone is the biggest factor doesn't mean he's the only factor. Again, stop simply lying to suit your agenda.