Yeah he’s not really in a position to laugh at other people when he’s on a United forum bumping a thread celebrating every time the guy knocks the ball into the net in a nothing league. His behaviour as a United player was pathetic, it’s better to have more respect for your own club than fawning over some primadona who’s disrespected it and only cares about himself. But the whole “891”, “892” thing is utterly weird.
Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr
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Yeah he’s not really in a position to laugh at other people when he’s on a United forum bumping a thread celebrating every time the guy knocks the ball into the net in a nothing league. His behaviour as a United player was pathetic, it’s better to have more respect for your own club than fawning over some primadona who’s disrespected it and only cares about himself. But the whole “891”, “892” thing is utterly weird.
Well... the reality is that Ronaldo is the greatest player who ever played for Man Utd. It is true that his best days were with Real, but still, he is our product, when he arrived at Man Utd nobody thought that this guy will become the greatest goal scorer ever. Now it seems to be a real possibility that he will score 1000 goals, this is certainly significant.
If Maradona had ever played for Man Utd, or Messi, or Pele, we'd probably have a thread for them, too.
Obviously, as a club we want to always be associated with Ronaldo. We want all the 12 year old football prodigies out there to want to follow Ronaldo's steps and join Man Utd!
He absolutely is not the greatest player that's played for United ffs
Yep completely agree.
What point? He was never a playmaker. Ha was good at some point, but never a playmaker. One good pass here and there doesn't make you one.
He absolutely deserves a thread, or to the very least the originals one he had to be revisited, more when he had some of his best years in United in quite an Iconic period for the Club and United is the one that gave him the spotlight since a very young age.
Yet just as a side note, he is an Sporting product, from his portuguese origin to his style, he is undoubtable a sporting type of player.
And this is important to be saisd because this type of players normally have a better enviroment to grow and have such styles in clubs that have that sort of tradition. When globalism starts to fvck up such stuff, it's when we start to loose a diversity in styles and evriroments that not few times are great to develope special players.
He absolutely is not the greatest player that's played for United ffs
Of course he is. The only players that can be argued to be better than Ronaldo are Messi, Pele, Maradona. None of them has played for Man Utd.
I agree that he is the best player to have played for us but I think there are more players than those 3 that can be argued to be better than him. R9 for once is considered by many who played against both of them to be the best they faced.
Again, people forget how technical brilliant Young Ronaldo was.
Do you think that Ronaldo growing up all his life with Rijkaard & Guardiola in La Liga would be the same Ronaldo as the one who grew up in the PL under SAF? Do you just think he forgot to do all those step overs?
He ultimately gave that technicality up to become more physically strong because where did he develop?
In a strength league like England.
Messi played in the most stable league for technical players all his career and perfected his technicality. The same way Ronaldinho went to Barcelona and started dancing before scoring goals like his brilliant goal vs Chelsea.
If he grew up in any other league he would have had to adapt to that league's strengths and weaknesses which he didnt even do very well at PSG.
Anyway, you have your GOAT & i have mine.
Messi without Iniesta and Xavi won what?
All La Liga prizes.
The league of technicality.
How many players have become worse after moving to different leagues or even the same league but different clubs?
Neymar to PSG
Greizmann to Barcelona
Di Maria to United
Sanchez to United
Torres to Chelsea
Pogba to United
Coutinho to Barcelona
Shevchenko to Chelsea
Zlatan to Barcelona
Hazard to Real Madrid
These were arguably the best player of their team or even league at the point they left by the way - just to put some perspective. I don't get why Messi gets this free ticket like he would have and could have played in every league in the world and still come out as the best player in world football.
I can go on and on - yet we are supposed to assume that Messi 'could have & would have done it'.
No sorry not for me. He never did it.
One player dominated every league in the world + 5 CL (playing in every final) + Euros whilst the other dominated La Liga + 3 CL (+1 for Rijkaard not playing in the final) & WC.
Maybe your GOAT could have conquered world football in another way playing for Chelsea or even Man City.
No, not for him.
I dont even think he would have scored his 91 goal season if he had played in his prime at Ligue 1 as we saw in his best season for PSG where he got under 20 (16 goals) which is absolutely nuts for a player like Messi who still won the Balon D'or so was clearly not past his prime. 16 goals in his best season at PSG
sure he had his assists too but from a 91 goal player to 16 Anyway, you have your goat because of what you didnt see in Ronaldo (the extra technicality/assists, Balond D'ors & WC) whilst i have my Goat because of what i didn't see in Messi (him going to other top leagues and having to adapt to the differences around the world in both team mates and opposition and still coming out on top).
It's not like i don't see that Messi's goals and assists are of a completely different universe to Ronaldo. It literally makes my body get pins and needles because of how good Messi's plays are compared to Ronaldo -
But ultimately just as much as his play was from another universe they came all from just playing mostly in Spain for arguably the most well built Spanish team since the days of Cruyff that follows the same total philosophy to this date.
The players Ronaldo had to play with as team mates were much more different in style than the ones Messi got to play with. Yet at the same time the opposition that Ronaldo had to deal with was much more different of styles to the ones Messi had to deal with. The leagues were different in styles. Ronaldo got built like Robocop as he grew out his technicality to power in Portugal, the PL, La Liga, Serie A whilst Messi was the cute 'little magician' always at Barcelona.
The closest player to that i saw to CR7 was Ibrahimovic because he nearly conquered every league aswell but without the CL's and i dont find it shocking that he has a similair strength frame and body to Ronaldo for him to do that rather than being this 'little magician' just in Spain.
Also if Messi is your GOAT then so is Guardiola the best ever manager.
Doesnt matter about Barcelona bribing referees. Doesnt matter that he built the best teams ever possibly in La Liga or City. Doesnt matter the trebles. Doesn't matter that Guardiola at Bayern was similair to Messi's 'dip' at PSG.
Also name me the top 10 players at MLS & then name me the top 10 players in Saudi Arabia.
Dont even bother adding the ones that will be joining the league this year. If you think the MLS is a better league than Saudi then so be it. I won't convince you the same way you can't convince me.
God, what i would have done to have seen Messi outside of club de la total football and see him growing up in counter attacking teams like Jose's Inter Milan or Chelsea, even City under Mancini or even United under SAF who had f* all to do about possesion football.
It would have shut either me up or you up.
But still to this date - it's 'would have, could have' for Messi playing in different leagues.
One conquered world football by winning all trophies for one club, one league and International football.
The other conquered world football playing for different leagues, clubs, players, opposition and the Euro's which is a sh*t tonne harder than Copa America just to put perspective in to his National performances. Mbappe has already won one WC at the age of 25 but has still not won an Euro's.
Lets see if it changes this year!
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Cryuff, Di Stefano, Puskas, etc...I trully don't think that this silly GOAT thing it's that clear with anyone, nor it has to be, every Special player from every period should be respected as such.
Yet like I've said before, he totally deserves this thread, even if he was just "merely" an All Time Great, way more when he has achieved a bigger sttaus than that.
PD: BTW, Charlton, Best have more or less active threads here? they clearly deserve them
SAF and Man Utd was very instrumental for Ronaldo's progress. SAF told him that in football, goals are more important than dribbling and entertainment. Sir Alex made him focus on goals, and that's why he is now the top scorer of all time.
He absolutely isn't. He was brilliant while he was here yes, but several players from the past have been greater for United.
Nah. Ronaldo is a better player than any of the players you mention.
And he is the top goal scorer in football history, which is an ongoing record, and that's why people keep counting the goals. It will be great if he manages to score 1000 lifetime goals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_footballers_with_500_or_more_goals
You misunderstood, I didn't say "the greater for United", I said the greatest player that has ever played for United, it's a different thing. His best years were with Real, not with United.
Aaah ok, I get ya now.
Everyone has his favorite players. And I understand that some people are really upset by Ronaldo, especially some Messi fans.
What nobody can argue with is that Cristiano Ronaldo is the top goal scorer in football history. In 50 years, he will still be up there on this list. Perhaps someone else will score more in the future, but it is not easy, you have to play and score for 20+ years.
It doesn't matter in correlation to what I was saying, of course any great coach will be instrumental on any player's carreer, yet he is a clear Sporting product and in fact if that message was given to him since a very very young age, we wouldn't have him as we knew him.
Huge clubs academies tend to buy from smaller academies or fishing on other less powerful leagues and also struggle to give proper time and more freedom in the development of younger players. So it was good that CR spent his formative years in Sporting, that also is a huge club, but without the biggest Spotligh that means being at United (and the pressure involved in such scenario)...so in many ways that let's say more "free" enviroment in his younger days are the ones that reinforced his skills and ability and made him the player that later could be polished in other enviroments under incredible coaches like Fergie and such.
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You provoke it with your incessant cringe-worthy updates. But…you already knew that.Haters out in full force yet again
If your argument is his goalscoring numbers, why do you write that Maradona, Pele and Messi can be argued to be ahead of him?
In what way is he definitely better than Di Stefano?
By the way, LeBron broke the NBA all time scoring record in 2013. The previous record holder, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, stopped playing in 1989, that is he stopped playing BEFORE LeBron was born!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_career_scoring_leaders
How many years will be needed before someone breaks Ronaldo's all time scoring record? Perhaps the footballer that will break Ronaldo's record hasn't been born yet!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_career_scoring_leaders
How many years will be needed before someone breaks Ronaldo's all time scoring record? Perhaps the footballer that will break Ronaldo's record hasn't been born yet!
I am not going to argue about who is better and why, I find this largely meaningless. After all, I have never been to a DiStefano game! But if some of you believe that this or that player is better than Ronaldo, you are welcome to list why this is so, or anyway why you believe so. Or even better, you can make a new thread for that player and post there why they are fantastic! Or you can do both, why not?
You made the claim, not me.
Yes, that's my opinion. Only Messi, Maradona, Pele can claim to be better than Ronaldo. That's my opinion.
And from all four of those, it is Ronaldo the one who has the goal scoring record. Which is important.
In a similar way, only Michael Jordan, Kobe and Kareem can be argued to be better than LeBron. That's my opinion. But LeBron has the all time scoring record. Which is important. There is a large number of fantastic NBA players, past and present, but only LeBron has the record. It is not end-all, but it is very important.
Scoring against part time bus drivers, plumbers and goat herders in a nothing league. Yawn.
And he is getting paid 250 million for that. At age 39. Another world record!
Compare R7 to R9 (the Brazilian Ronaldo).
R7 scored 61 goals in a single year for Real. And in the other years, 60, 55, 53, 51 goals. In 9 years, he scored 450 goals for Real, in 438 games, that's an average of 50 goals per year, for NINE years straight! It is unbelievable! Most strikers hardly last 9 years, R7 scored an average of 50 goals per year for 9 years!
The most that R9 has scored in a single year is 47. Yes, it's "only" 47 in 49 games! That's his best ever in a single season. Actually, he scored more than 40 goals in a single season only once in his life! His other best yearly output is: 35, 34, 31, 30 and lower. There is no comparison. The average for R7 with Real is over one goal per game, for nine years, while R9 never managed to score one goal per game in any season of his career. It is not just in R9's injury, it is that his numbers show he was worse than Ronaldo even during his best years.
The Brazilian Ronaldo was a great player, but the best he could do in his life was actually lower than Ronaldo's average for 9 straight years! The discrepancy is astounding, there is no comparison.
And yet, people will keep comparing R9 with R7, and some will even argue that R9 was better. Well, some people believe that Trump was a great President, and they will keep believing that, no matter what, facts, numbers, or whatever. That's life!
Sure I mean I'm not against him getting paid a bijillion dollars and he's still fiercly competitive and good on him as he's not getting any younger but he's largely forgotten about in the Saudi League. Both Ronaldos are great players. I like to view them as great servants of the game that provided us with amazing football and leave the comparisons (stats) out of it.
And I hate Trump but then again all politicians are full of it.
Cristiano Ronaldo is only playing because THAT record it's like the only thing he is getting these days. He will play as much he needs, because exist a better player with a better goal ratio than him who is younger and lives rent free in his head.
That's a fact. And another fact it's that he is so narcissist that he will affect his own NT in order to try and get a WC in the next tournament at the age of 41. Ridiculous.
What do his fans think about his antics in KSI? It's pathetic when you see how he behaves. But yeah "mentality and passion". Sure, sure. He does everything to affect the narrative in the media and his blind fans, it's really something. Well, he was by far the most marketed player the last 15 years. Real Madrid and Mendes. You can't ask for a better duo in football.
That's a fact. And another fact it's that he is so narcissist that he will affect his own NT in order to try and get a WC in the next tournament at the age of 41. Ridiculous.
What do his fans think about his antics in KSI? It's pathetic when you see how he behaves. But yeah "mentality and passion". Sure, sure. He does everything to affect the narrative in the media and his blind fans, it's really something. Well, he was by far the most marketed player the last 15 years. Real Madrid and Mendes. You can't ask for a better duo in football.
Why man why...
do you want to enter a rabbit hole where many would end treating CR and other past legends like shyte?
They'll start with: less or more games were played, injuries, style, skills, arguing this era was way better than that era, penaldo and all that stuff, that even if some end being valid arguments or points of view, almost always end being pushed to trash or praise a certain player they like more, or do not like at all and a large etc etc etc.
So isn't it obvious that goalscoring ain't the only thing people would look out on a player?
Do you realize that CR would never get an almost goal per game like Pele or Puskas or would end with a worse ratio than Gerd?.
That anyone would not consider that much Pele's Cosmos, Messi's Miami and CR's Arabian period?
Do you get also that if Erling manteins this ratio he can end having a better ratio too and if that happens many people might still like CR a lot more as a player?
Come on pal, sometimes some people really act like a freaking fanbot, how on hell you could not get that some people still idolized R9 even above Pele, Messi, Diego or in your case CR, it doesn't matter if I share that view or not, but clearly isn't goalscoring related.
One conquered world football by winning all trophies for one club, one league and International football.
The other conquered world football playing for different leagues, clubs, players, opposition and the Euro's which is a sh*t tonne harder than Copa America just to put perspective in to his National performances. Mbappe has already won one WC at the age of 25 but has still not won an Euro's.
10 paragraphs of delusion, but the quoted is the biggest one
imagine comparing Messi the GOAT's international career with Ronaldo the World Cup ghost, and Mbappe World Cup icon with Ronaldo the World Cup bench warmer.
Ronaldo's Hall of Shame International career
0 MVP award vs Messi with 7 (including 2 World Cup, 2 Copa America, Olympics, U-20 World Cup, Finalissima)
0 knockout goal & assist in 5 World Cups vs Messi with 11 g&a
3 goals in 19 knockout games in 5 World Cups + 5 Euros (Mbappe scored 3 in the World Cup final alone)
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Muller, Messi, Pele all have multiple legendary goalscoring records.
From all 3, Ronaldo is the only one who played in 5 World Cups and scored 0 in 8 knockout games. From all three, Ronaldo has the worst per game goal ratio. From all three, Ronaldo is the only one who faced Andorra, Faroe, Liechtenstein and tons of other minnows, yet his goal per game ratio is half of Gerd Muller at the NT level who did not have the chance to meet these guys.
Gerd Muller, Pele, Messi are better goalscorers than Ronaldo, they dominated every single tournament both at the club and NT level, there's no exception. Messi has more Golden Shoes, more league Golden Boots despite being a playmaker, all-time goal records in a calendar year, season, better per game goal ratio etc. Ronaldo has the most goals because he played hundreds of games more. That's the only way for him to compete, he led the league in goalscoring only once in the last 9 years in Europe, won his last Golden Shoe in 2015, quite embarrassing.
And, imagine giving Lebron an edge over Jordan in terms of scoring, the only reason Lebron has the record is because he played hundreds of games more just like Ronaldo.
Jordan was the NBA scoring champion 10 times in 14 years he was active, Lebron only once in 23 years. It's universally absurd to compare Jordan, the undisputed greatest NBA scorer ever, with Lebron in terms of scoring just because Lebron played 500 games more. Lebron is not even a better scorer than Durant or Curry let alone Jordan.
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10 paragraphs of delusion, but the quoted is the biggest one
imagine comparing Messi the GOAT's international career with Ronaldo the World Cup ghost, and Mbappe World Cup icon with Ronaldo the World Cup bench warmer.
Ronaldo's Hall of Shame International career
0 MVP award vs Messi with 7 (including 2 World Cup, 2 Copa America, Olympics, U-20 World Cup, Finalissima)
0 knockout goal & assist in 5 World Cups vs Messi with 11 g&a
3 goals in 19 knockout games in 5 World Cups + 5 Euros (Mbappe scored 3 in the World Cup final alone)
Unfortunately missed out on being a one team man whilst not even outscoring Rashfords 17 goal season in the PL in the all mighty ligue 1
GOAT seems to struggle outside his own farm!
I do wonder if i would have a better career too if i only played in La Liga, Ligue 1 & MLS rather than in Portugal, England, Spain, Italy, England and then Saudi Arabia.
Hmm one career seems a bit more easier and even more so related to money than this not self centred little cute magician of the all mighty La Liga!
The toughest league of all time! Burps! My God how that league compares to the Serie A 90s and the PL is absolutely nuts.
But hey! He got 16 goals in Ligue 1 which was very competitive.
Guy would have struggled moving to any top leagues in his career - how do i know - because he never did it and everyone else who did failed!
How simple minded do people have to be to be provoked? That's not my intention either, I've always been clear that Ronaldo is my favorite player of all time - and I have a hope of him reaching 1000 goals. My modest use of time spent on this topic is from a positive point of view - the only weird thing is the people disliking him spending ages in this thread.
Like our good friend Mourinho once said: "a dream is more pure than an obsession"
I obviously ruffled some feathers there mate resulting in an incoherent argument. Don't think I said anything that is a lie. Ronaldo had always been the super selfish egomaniac; everyone knows that.
There are 2 points I'd argue against though:
1. The argument that Cristiano moving from one league to another makes him better is really taken out of context. Ronaldo played for the best clubs in England (Ferguson's United), Spain (a stacked Real Madrid side that bought many players apart than Cristiano and employed some great managers), Italy (Juventus, the best team in Italy at the time by a mile) not for some mid table or top 4 aiming sides like Tottenham or seville.
Remember that your idol's prime was in that same league that you call the "weakest best league".
2. This argument that Saudi league is better than the American one is nonsensical. Both are trash and for pre-retirement. Only an egomaniac like Ronaldo can praise himself despite 0 trophies in an irrelevant league. In one post he says records follow him, in another he praises his own goalscoring in different leagues. Show me any player praising himself like he does on his social media account.
I don't hate him or disrespect him career wise. He has had a fantastic, successful career and is for me among top 5 -10 greatest players ever. But, in terms of consistently great allround play, he is below quite a few players present and past and I'm talking his prime not his goal-poaching 30s. Let's just say this same ego that makes him look like a clown these days, played a big part in his past achievements.
Replace better with greater. Remove longevity and Ronaldo drops down the list by alot.
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Ronaldo and Messi fans are so weird. It really marks out a particular kind of weird man.
I see them a bit like Disney adults.
Your claim seems to rest primarily on goal scoring, but Di Stefano’s record is also exceptional despite being more of a midfield player than Ronaldo. He’s also the player, and perhaps person, most responsible for the creation of Real Madrid’s legend (though I’ll bow to RedCafe’s resident Real supporters views on that particular point).
In other words…his legacy is definitely a match for Ronaldo’s.
I doubt most of us saw Charlton, Best or Law play (I certainly didn't, I'd say this goes for the vast majority of this forum). They're probably the only three you can say were better than him and have any argument. Definitely no one else was better than him before or after them. Fergie agreed and he'd have hated anyone who took off for Madrid and caused a fuss a year before to go there unless they really were the best player he'd ever seen.
It’s a forum, people are provoked all the time. If the word provoked is too provocative, then just substitute it for motivated, inspired, prompted, stirred etc.
Regardless of whether or not it’s your intention, the effect is much the same. Most people (on this forum at least) don’t really care about the goals he scores in Saudi Arabia. It’s essentially a meh achievement in a meh league. The same applies to Messi’s goals in America btw, but his skill (dribbling and passing) still garners appreciation.
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If they don’t care they shouldn’t waste their time responding. I’m certainly not going to stop.