Cristiano Ronaldo - Much Ado About Al Nassr

Why would your answer be so defensive? It was a genuine question - it seems very strange if you think he’s the second best player of his generation that you have such an issue with him believing he’s the best. It’s not that crazy a leap as said.
Nah mate, what’s strange is you accusing people of being defensive based on a few throw away lines on a forum for football discussion, while missing the irony of how defensive you come across when people are critical of his mad ramblings.
 
Quite common btw, Pele, Maradona, Romario all of them did that too.
That seems to be your defence for everything he says or does, “Romario and Pele did it” :lol: Surprised Tomaldinho hasn’t interrogated you on why you’re so defensive mate.
 
Nah mate, what’s strange is you accusing people of being defensive based on a few throw away lines on a forum for football discussion, while missing the irony of how defensive you come across when people are critical of his mad ramblings.
Righto, you were not defensive and it was me all along. Good to see I can just scroll back to see what you wrote but you carry on.
 
That seems to be your defence for everything he says or does, “Romario and Pele did it” :lol: Surprised Tomaldinho hasn’t interrogated you on why you’re so defensive mate.

"My defense"? don't be nutty Joel.

I'm just talking about sthg that had happened quite a number of times with very high profile Athletes, just a comment. I remember know Ali did it too. I can't recall Jordan
 
I don't why people celebrate his birthday, he doesn't age. Numbers don't apply to him.
 
I can get behind the idea that his dribbling never was Elite in the sense of being comparable with the likes of Pele, Zico, Maradona, Messi, genius alike fellas or even trully specialists and lesser players than him, even if just my opinion....yet, he was ELITE in his dribbling at any period.
Elite ain't just a 20 club Member Society, there are/ were lots of great to awesome dribblers at any period of the game, Cris was great at it, even if he wasn's for me from the upper upper echelon.
The main thing it's that for me he never had the ultimate control of the situation many phenoms in dribbling had and that's why his best dribllings are those taking on a single or couple of fellas near the rival net wehere he creates some magic and instantly blasted to the net, that was his best asset in regards of driblling in my opinion.
I wouldn't call him an elite dribbler at any point in his career. In his early years, he had the numbers but the vast majority of dribbles he completed led to nothing. The middle part of his career (his prime) the numbers were those of a good dribbler rather than great dribbler (2 to 2.8 per game) but they were more effective compared to earlier. The last part of his career, he was essentially a goal poacher; dribbling was almost non existent. Interestingly, he won 3 ballon d'ors during this time.

For me elite dribblers tend to not only have the numbers but the dribbles lead to something positive for their team. Since i started watching football, I'd say Messi, Neymar, R9 (until 1999), Hazard, Ronaldinho are/were elite dribblers. Iniesta, Zidane (on his day), Ribery were subelite. The one season where Cristiano came close to being elite was 2006/7. 07/08 is hyped up to no end obviously because of the champions league win but he was actually better the previous season.
 
Genuine question, can he travel for the 2026 WC fixtures in the US (If he's playing+in the squad)?
 
Meh. What Ovechkin is doing in the NHL right now is more impressive. Closing in on Gretzky's goal record at age 39 while just recovering from a broken leg.
 
Madrid scammed us with the 80 million. Should have been 180 million. Arguably the greatest player of all time.
 
Hopefully he comes back to United as a part owner with a consortium and rescues us from the Glazers. I'd buzz off that.
 
Meh. What Ovechkin is doing in the NHL right now is more impressive. Closing in on Gretzky's goal record at age 39 while just recovering from a broken leg.

If Ronaldo was playing 5 aside for the last 20 years he'd probably have 1000s of goals.
 
Genuine question, can he travel for the 2026 WC fixtures in the US (If he's playing+in the squad)?
Will he go? I think he probably will.
Should he go? Depends, in the last Euros, he should have just been used as an impact sub. At 41 as long as he behaves, he could go, bring him on with 5 or 10 to go. There's no way he should be starting any international game
 
I wouldn't call him an elite dribbler at any point in his career. In his early years, he had the numbers but the vast majority of dribbles he completed led to nothing. The middle part of his career (his prime) the numbers were those of a good dribbler rather than great dribbler (2 to 2.8 per game) but they were more effective compared to earlier. The last part of his career, he was essentially a goal poacher; dribbling was almost non existent. Interestingly, he won 3 ballon d'ors during this time.

For me elite dribblers tend to not only have the numbers but the dribbles lead to something positive for their team. Since i started watching football, I'd say Messi, Neymar, R9 (until 1999), Hazard, Ronaldinho are/were elite dribblers. Iniesta, Zidane (on his day), Ribery were subelite. The one season where Cristiano came close to being elite was 2006/7. 07/08 is hyped up to no end obviously because of the champions league win but he was actually better the previous season.

Elite dribbler is a lot more than just 8 names. Another thing it's to be Elite among the Elite and in a historical point of view, meaning among Genius and phenoms of the game, two cathegories I like to use but I just pulled them out of my arse.
In fact discussing what Elite means in many ways, it's like discussing World Class, everyone has its own definition. For me Cris during his time was among the great dribblers of the world, even if some or even many we can feel were better.
He wasn't just a good dribbler at any point of his carreer, nor he just became a poacher at any point of his carreer either (if this trend continues he is going to become Inzaghi in a few years), these are a bit extreme views on the lad.

I can get behind in some notions of what you are saying that makes a dribbler great or elite one and I even get quite annoy at some Cris compilations regarding dribbling that has quite a lot of material I find even silly or counterproductive to put there, no doubt, but he wasn't just a good dribbler either, or just a poacher.
 
Will he go? I think he probably will.
Should he go? Depends, in the last Euros, he should have just been used as an impact sub. At 41 as long as he behaves, he could go, bring him on with 5 or 10 to go. There's no way he should be starting any international game
He will expect to though. Same as it was when he was here. Can't accept he's not the force he once was.

Hopefully Martinez has the balls to use him as a sub. Not gonna hold my breath, however.
 
Early on in his career Ronaldo was doing 5 stopovers during every dribble.

I remember that reducing slowly and slowly.

I do wonder how he would be as a footballer if he grew up and trained at Barcelona instead of United and in the PL.

Ronaldo grew on to be a physical specimen - power, ambidextrous, heading, long shots, fast and direct - which kind of reflects where training in the PL from such a young age can take you. We see/saw players like Rashford and Garnacho trying to almost copy Ronaldo's style. However in being so powerful, I felt like he lost some ability to be smooth and technical aswell.

On the other hand, if he trained at Barcelona, I think he would be much more based around technicalities, dribbles, passing, crossing rather than power, heading and long shots. It's the same way I look at the goat and how he would have to alter his game slightly or alot to meet the requirements of different leagues especially such a phsyical league like the PL without any teams that really held to possession either.

Ultimately that doesn't matter, because we can't think and look at what could have been or might have been if players had made different decisions, career choices, had different chances - we can only judge a player on what they have achieved here an now.

And for that reason at the age of 40, to me he is still the 2nd best of all time. The player that was statistically the closest to competing with the GOAT during the same 2 decades of footballing.
 
Early on in his career Ronaldo was doing 5 stopovers during every dribble.

I remember that reducing slowly and slowly.

I do wonder how he would be as a footballer if he grew up and trained at Barcelona instead of United and in the PL.

Ronaldo grew on to be a physical specimen - power, ambidextrous, heading, long shots, fast and direct - which kind of reflects where training in the PL from such a young age can take you. We see/saw players like Rashford and Garnacho trying to almost copy Ronaldo's style. However in being so powerful, I felt like he lost some ability to be smooth and technical aswell.

On the other hand, if he trained at Barcelona, I think he would be much more based around technicalities, dribbles, passing, crossing rather than power, heading and long shots. It's the same way I look at the goat and how he would have to alter his game slightly or alot to meet the requirements of different leagues especially such a phsyical league like the PL without any teams that really held to possession either.

Ultimately that doesn't matter, because we can't think and look at what could have been or might have been if players had made different decisions, career choices, had different chances - we can only judge a player on what they have achieved here an now.

And for that reason at the age of 40, to me he is still the 2nd best of all time. The player that was statistically the closest to competing with the GOAT during the same 2 decades of footballing.

That wasn't a good thing, that is one of the things that annoys me in some of the vids (with emphasis on his dribbling) I've mentioned in another post . Lots of those stepovers, or even backheels were stationary, with the rival not even bothering.

Yet he also had lots of great dribbles near the box ending in great goals, some great saloms throught the field, etc. that's why he was great at it and still did them in Madrid.

Dribbling is a very born alike trait and requires to become great at it to have great coaches not getting in the way of those with such tendency, later will be time to made them more Pro football players.
This notion that La Massia creates this type of players it's not true, the passing, the positioning, the solidarity, yes. Improvisation regarding dribbling? they always bought it, even in the academy. La Massia isn't Santos, River, in such regard.

YET, after buying such fellas for ages (Cryuff, Maradona, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc and fellas like Milonguita Heredia, Cholo Sotil, too), the post Messi/Iniesta it's starting to change the scenario, it looks like they are going to become more prone to allow that type and seek that type even very young. Lamine it's from that mold and with the necessary brain to also add a layer of La Massia team oriented notions to his creative individuality.
 
Meh. What Ovechkin is doing in the NHL right now is more impressive. Closing in on Gretzky's goal record at age 39 while just recovering from a broken leg.
That just makes Gretzky look better. Kind of similar to CR taking 10 years longer than Pele to get to a thousand goals.....

Edit: I take it back. Ovechkin has done it (or nearly done it) in a similar number of games. He's still over a thousand assists behind Wayne though, L O L.
 
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