By any measure you want to pick, he is.
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
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Arguably the greatest player ever to play for Manchester United, yes. He isn't one of Manchester United's greatest ever players. There's a subtle difference.
Oh the irony of an insecure Cristiano fanboy rushing in here without realising that I called up another of his ilk for bringing in Messi in a Ronaldo thread. You all seem to be insecure.
Take your own advice and enjoy watching the other guy rack up more trophies. Meanwhile, this is a Ronaldo thread so the discussion is for him.
Pretty widely accepted across the footballing world he’s one of the best to ever play.
clearly not now
Again, this thread isn't about the Balón d'or récord holder. Let your obsession go and stick to thread topic.
I edited my post to clarify what I meant.
Cringe levels of insecurity.
I don’t disagree with your view at all, it’s obviously a subjective view but definitely arguable.
my response to the original poster was in response to them saying it was cringe worthy fans were singing his name… I just think thats a strange view considering the calibre of player he has been and what he’s won here.
sure this season it might feel a little stranger considering what has happened this summer, and for clarity, I’d like to see him leave…sure he’ll get goals, but I think he’s on the whole - detrimental to the way we want to play.
Described yourself well there. Wipe away those tears.
I just read it - if anything Ronaldo's return was a catalyst that broke the awful team/squad that Woodward and Solskjaer put together.
Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Mata, Matic entering the final year of their contract, Sancho and Varane struggling to settle - and yet somehow the whole trailer of last season's film is merely reduced to a spat between Ronaldo and Maguire.
Give. Me. A. Break.
This was the shitsandwich that Ed and Ole cooked, and I for one am so glad they're out of the picture.
It’s indisputable that he is. You have never had a better it greater player put on the shirt.
Na man, Ronaldo broke the great Barca 2008 team that we were making before his arrival. Don't you know. The team cohesion was off the hook and we had Cavani wrecking teams. Evident from Cavani's last season as well when he.... erm nevermind
He was a truly brilliant player and I don't resent him to the point of not being able to appreciate the amazing memories he gave us. However, no player who shows such a level of disrespect to the club is worthy of songs or chants. Only my opinion of course. Completely agree with your final paragraph.
think you’re probably right, but just to be clear, it was around chants last season - not this season, unless you think he showed disrespect last season ?
id feel odd idolising him in the stands this season after the show he’s put on this summer
God NO please help us and find a club stupid enough to take him
The man with absolute hard on for that PSG PLAYER, knows no bounds, why on earth would you be commenting in every Ronaldo thread in here, don't reply I already know the answer
It's almost like an universal law that every thread shall reduce to the same Ronaldo vs Messi bickering.
Ah, ok. I wrongly thought the discussion was regarding chants this season, as I have been present at games where this has occurred. My mistake. No problem at all with chants last season.
The man with absolute hard on for that PSG PLAYER, knows no bounds, why on earth would you be commenting in every Ronaldo thread in here, don't reply I already know the answer
What does Messi have to do with this thread?
Wipe away those tears and keep the discussion about Ronaldo.One day left. Hope someone is stupid enough to take him off out hands.
Always
strange position in football to be fair to have 2 of very best so close in age, talent, goals and awards very hard for either camp to let it go.I wasnt speaking about Messi, I was replying to you claiming another posters obsession with him when yours is quite clear about the player in the thread titleWhat does Messi have to do with this thread?
One day left. Hope someone is stupid enough to take him off out hands.
Anyway, 1 day left for us to sell him and replace him a player EtH can work with, don't see it happening, and if we just sell him without replacing the position we would be beyond idiotic
Best? Charlton? Scholes, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Rooney and Beckham?
Sorry, your national hero isn't even in Uniteds top 5.
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Can we settle this debate on how Ronaldo got to United once and for all? Please don't read the Metro or the Mail quoting Athletic, I'm going straight to the source:
The Athletic:
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Although Ronaldo’s style differs from the usual profile of forward favoured by coach Pep Guardiola, City recognised he would guarantee more than 20 goals. They had been pursuing a striker for three transfer windows without success. They also appreciated the potential commercial value of a superstar signing. On Tuesday, August 24, Mendes was reported to have met with City representatives in Paris, although a senior representative at the Etihad insisted on the Tuesday afternoon that City were still deliberating internally as to whether they truly wanted a player their coach appeared to have written off as a target less than a week earlier.
Those deliberations included the stylistic fit of the player and also how Ronaldo’s wages may impact dressing-room harmony. However, by Tuesday night, there was an expectation both from City and representatives of Ronaldo that the player would return to Manchester to play in light blue.
Yet the deal was not concluded. Multiple sources told The Athletic that the future of another City player, Raheem Sterling, became significant. Sterling was offered to Barcelona in the final week of last year’s transfer window, but the player and Barcelona did not actively pursue the transfer. These sources suggest Guardiola felt he might need to move out Sterling to accommodate Ronaldo, which created a lull and an opportunity for United to strike. Sterling was offered to Barcelona again in January — this time, he was prepared to leave on loan — but by then Barcelona, had scouted more intensively and manager Xavi was advised to sign another City player, Ferran Torres, instead.
As the Manchester clubs deliberated in the summer, news had broken publicly that Ronaldo intended to join City and the big beasts of United’s boardroom and dressing room grew alarmed. United’s then manager Solskjaer held a meeting with his assistant Mike Phelan and the pair pushed United’s executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward to hijack the deal. Contrary to initial soundings from United, Ronaldo’s former manager Ferguson did not speak directly to the player but he did contact Mendes. Ronaldo’s former team-mates Rio Ferdinand and Patrice Evra were up until the early hours as they sought to persuade Ronaldo to spurn City and join United. Ferdinand also spoke to Woodward and United’s then-transfer negotiator Matt Judge. Ronaldo’s Portugal international team-mate Fernandes also sent messages.
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So it wasn't Woodward acting on his own, it was Ole and Phelan pushing Woodward to hijack the deal.
You're welcome
cc @Raoul
Can we settle this debate on how Ronaldo got to United once and for all? Please don't read the Metro or the Mail quoting Athletic, I'm going straight to the source:
The Athletic:
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Although Ronaldo’s style differs from the usual profile of forward favoured by coach Pep Guardiola, City recognised he would guarantee more than 20 goals. They had been pursuing a striker for three transfer windows without success. They also appreciated the potential commercial value of a superstar signing. On Tuesday, August 24, Mendes was reported to have met with City representatives in Paris, although a senior representative at the Etihad insisted on the Tuesday afternoon that City were still deliberating internally as to whether they truly wanted a player their coach appeared to have written off as a target less than a week earlier.
Those deliberations included the stylistic fit of the player and also how Ronaldo’s wages may impact dressing-room harmony. However, by Tuesday night, there was an expectation both from City and representatives of Ronaldo that the player would return to Manchester to play in light blue.
Yet the deal was not concluded. Multiple sources told The Athletic that the future of another City player, Raheem Sterling, became significant. Sterling was offered to Barcelona in the final week of last year’s transfer window, but the player and Barcelona did not actively pursue the transfer. These sources suggest Guardiola felt he might need to move out Sterling to accommodate Ronaldo, which created a lull and an opportunity for United to strike. Sterling was offered to Barcelona again in January — this time, he was prepared to leave on loan — but by then Barcelona, had scouted more intensively and manager Xavi was advised to sign another City player, Ferran Torres, instead.
As the Manchester clubs deliberated in the summer, news had broken publicly that Ronaldo intended to join City and the big beasts of United’s boardroom and dressing room grew alarmed. United’s then manager Solskjaer held a meeting with his assistant Mike Phelan and the pair pushed United’s executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward to hijack the deal. Contrary to initial soundings from United, Ronaldo’s former manager Ferguson did not speak directly to the player but he did contact Mendes. Ronaldo’s former team-mates Rio Ferdinand and Patrice Evra were up until the early hours as they sought to persuade Ronaldo to spurn City and join United. Ferdinand also spoke to Woodward and United’s then-transfer negotiator Matt Judge. Ronaldo’s Portugal international team-mate Fernandes also sent messages.
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So it wasn't Woodward acting on his own, it was Ole and Phelan pushing Woodward to hijack the deal.
You're welcome
Agreed. I'm sticking by my prediction that Ronaldo will turn in top performances. He wanted to leave, no question, and he could have behaved more professionally, no question. But if there is no sensational move to Chelsea or Napoli tomorrow and he's our man after September 1 he has every incentive in the world to give it everything he's got.
But...what is "everything he's got"?
A lot more than most footballers today. He's a massive step up from Martial and Elanga is nowhere close to either. Surely Ronnie would be considered, when he's up for it, still in the top 10 strikers on the planet. We should expect to see Ronaldo's minutes managed so that he's starting in most PL matches, probably being subbed off in the 70th minute much of the time against the likes of Bournemouth and Villa, and rarely starting in the EL and never in the domestic cup matches unless we make it to the FA Cup final. His focus will be on maintaining sharpness for the World Cup, but we should be ok with that. And he should be ok with being subbed off in the 70th minute and miss out on Police Chief, Onanism or whatever bizarre clubs we have to play in the EL group stage.
I wasnt speaking about Messi, I was replying to you claiming another posters obsession with him when yours is quite clear about the player in the thread title
Anyway, 1 day left for us to sell him and replace him a player EtH can work with, don't see it happening, and if we just sell him without replacing the position we would be beyond idiotic
Your obsession seems to be with the player that you brought into this thread when it has nothing to do with him
As i said, take a deep breath and stick to discussing Ronaldo here.it is 1 day and if we can't sell him, then he better be professional and accept whatever Ten Hag demands. If his role is off the bench, then he better do just that without sulking.
He's going to stay, I don't think there's a way out for him now.
This could be a good thing if he embraces the new era and tries to bring some positivity and leadership to the team. I don't think he's really hated by the players, but narcists can be really annoying, so he might need to change his attitude a bit. It's all up to him at this point, and I'm sure ETH would love to have him if he shows positive attitude and commitment.
This could be a good thing if he embraces the new era and tries to bring some positivity and leadership to the team. I don't think he's really hated by the players, but narcists can be really annoying, so he might need to change his attitude a bit. It's all up to him at this point, and I'm sure ETH would love to have him if he shows positive attitude and commitment.
That’s a different question, “greatest Manchester United players ever”
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“Greatest player to ever play vs Manchester United”
In terms of the greatest, best, most talented etc. player to ever play for United all those names are light years and I means light years behind.
Naturally Ronaldo is the greatest ever player to ever put on a United shirt.
This summer must have bruised his ego a lot.
not a single CL club wants him.
not a single CL club wants him.
He'll be 38 in February but can still have a good season and score plenty of goals again. Or at least wait until January to leave.
or, not a single one was willing to meet his wage demands?
Are you in love with him? Damn.
Surprised you didn't mentioned best looking or best ass while you were at it.
Anyway, I disagree. Do think that he's the biggest smug portuguese cnut we ever had if that's any consolation.
Vex he’s not going.
Chelsea will panic and go for him tomorrow.
How can they not if Aubameyang isn't happening?
The more I think of it the more sure of it I become.
How can they not if Aubameyang isn't happening?
The more I think of it the more sure of it I become.
You can disagree all you want but one as regarded as one of the 4 GOATS of the game and the others are nowhere near.
It’s not about being a favorite player or not. The same would be said if Messi played for United.
The most talented player to ever play for United bar none with zero debate is Ronaldo. Any other thought is pure hate as is made obvious by your last sentence.
Surely you don't believe all those players you listed were better than Ronaldo, though? All bigger United legends sure but difficult to argue against Ronaldo being the best footballer we've ever had. Probably Best being the only competition.
For United, yes. In terms of individual skills, not all no.
The others did more for our club that he did, and that's the only important part.
This is coming from a huge Ronaldo fan, but I'm a bit worried about him staying and the negative impact it could have on the squad. I hope I'm proved wrong of course. We don't know exactly what goes on in the club but it seems relatively certain he's a bit unhappy and liable to upset a few people. At the other end of the scale, the impact could be much worse. I'd rate the best outcomes as follows:
1. Ronaldo leaves for a non EPL team.
2. Ronaldo leaves for another EPL team.
3. Ronaldo stays at United.
1. Ronaldo leaves for a non EPL team.
2. Ronaldo leaves for another EPL team.
3. Ronaldo stays at United.
If this is true, Ole can only blame himself, otherwise, he probably can still execute his plan now.
Chelsea to bring back Rom in a panic mode could be fun.
Erm…… I wonder whether you’ve ever heard of George best?
Zero debate my arse.
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