Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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Is Ronaldo really the cause of us not performing last season or is it because of his mentality to always be at the very top.

I just feel he's like another Michael Jordan. An absolute asshole who demands the very best from his team mates all the time.

Maybe there's no "place" for him anymore in the modern game but his professionalism is something that's lacking amongst a lot of our players.
Brentford. Away.
 
That and every PR attempts by him, his associates or his fans. Goldbridge is a prime example

Pretty much. It's funny watching his acolytes put up a Goldbridge tweet as if he has a clue what Bayern want while dismissing Oliver Khan as if he's out of the loop.

The mental gymnastics is hilarious to watch :lol:
 
I'm done with Ronaldo now. He doesn't give two fecks about United and if he doesn't leave, he should be on the bench. No way should he be starting every game. Realistically, his only two options are Chelsea and Bayern, possibly AC Milan, if they can stump up the cash.

But they are 'claiming' to be not interested so we'll have to wait and see. It would be a real humbling experience for him if no-one came in for him. I don't think I've known any player take this long for family reasons...and players have lost close family members or gone through traumatic relationship breakups and soldiered on, so we all know his absence is bullshit.
 
The Bayern rumours will go into overdrive now
 
I can totally see the logic in your post. What I can also tell you is that I always found Ronaldo rather unlikable. Even when he was here in his pomp, I respected what he could do as a player but I despised his histrionics and self centered attitude on the pitch. When he fecked us off for Madrid, again although I still respected his value as a player, I despised him further.

When you watch him over the years and you see his petty attitude, like barely celebrating his team mates score crucial goals in a CL final, only to then run off in wild celebration like he’d saved the day, after banging in a meaningless 4th goal from the penalty spot, it was hard to see beyond the narcissism. People say it’s what makes him a great winner, but all I see is “me, me, me, meeeeee” from him, all the time. And it got old about a decade ago.

Now, fast forward to the present, and here we have a player who considers himself undroppable, unable to accept his decline, who makes teams worse by his status being far removed from his contribution to a functioning team unit, and he is at it again. Not turning up for pre-season, trying to engineer a move because he is more important than the team. Ronaldo is always in it for Ronaldo. His numbers, his stats, his accolades. Fair play, he’s had enormous success doing that. A fabulous player in his prime, but now a complete white elephant.

I really hopes he leaves, as I think his presence will be a huge sideshow and distraction and be detrimental to the collective team ethos ETH is trying to instill. Ronaldo still has value as a player, but in a role that accurately reflects his ability to positively impact results. That’s as (a) a rotational player and (b) an impact sub when you are chasing a goal. But that value could only ever be extracted if he had humility about his decline. Which he doesn’t. So instead he’s just a middle aged man baby on massive wages with a god complex.

The timing of this is particularly poor, because as fans we’ve had 9 shitty years since SAF retired, and we are all desperately yearning for some collectivity, a functioning team unit greater than the sum of its parts. For unity and a strong collective will to all pull in the same direction to the best of abilities. Then we have Ronaldo throwing strops, thinking he’s bigger than the club, and only thinking about himself.

We never should’ve brought him back, and the sooner he leaves the better. A legendary player, but a really unlikable character. There is also the issue of some really disturbing allegations against him, but as those remain unproven, I’ll just say that I find them troubling but reserve judgement.

I think a moment that encapsulated so much of what I dislike about Ronaldo was what I saw in the euro final. He went off injured. His team went on to win the game. But for Ronaldo his team winning wasn’t his victory, it was maybe no victory at all, so he had to make it about him. There he was on the touch line, standing in front of the manager waving his hands furiously, shouting tactical instructions, directing players. If he wasn’t scoring the goal and leading his team to victory, he was managing them. The glory was his. But I would venture that they won in spite of his ridiculous pantomime muddling the messages of the actual manager. It’s just unbridled narcissism that means he can never see beyond his own reflection.

I’d suggest he go feck himself after his latest bit of theatre but I am quite certain he is way ahead of me on that one.
If he listen to any advice from you according to you personal like/dislike, he wouldn't become GOAT and so successful throughout his career, and wouldn't inspire millions and the likes of Mbappe/Haaland of today, and wouldn't have 700m followers in social media. I get what you mean saying he is so full of himself at times, but this is the very reason he drives himself to the very top and at the very pinnacle of the game throughout the past 17 years or so. Football to us average blokes is all about the team we support, to players however its all about their own career.
 
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Ronaldo won't leave. Bayern will probably go for someone younger and less expensive. I expect Ronaldo to rediscover his love for us pretty soon
 
If he listen to any advice from you according to you personal like/dislike, he wouldn't become GOAT and so successful throughout his career, and wouldn't inspire the likes of Mbappe/Haaland of today, and wouldn't have 700m followers in social media. I get what you mean saying he is so full of himself at times, but this is the very reason he drives himself to the very top and pinnacle of the game throughout the past 17 years or so. Football to us average blokes is all about the team we support, to players however its all about their own career.

Do you think it's a shitty move to skip training?
 
Pre season isn't about extra running. It's about the new manager moulding the team.

Harder to do that if the talisman is skipping weeks of team training.
What's there to mold in a 37 yo legend? Is he really going to be asked to do something he's not extremely familiar with?

I expect he'll slot in just fine, when and if he returns.
 
What's there to mold in a 37 yo legend? Is he really going to be asked to do something he's not extremely familiar with?

I said "moulding the team", not "moulding Ronaldo", it's right there in my post that you quoted.

Ronaldo might be the greatest ever but football is a team sport and there's a reason every great side in the history of the game trains together. That's even more important when you have a new manager.
 
Are Bayern going to rip the number 7 of Gnabry’s back like Cuadrado & Cavani after just signing him to a new long term deal?
 
Bayern will take him late in the window would be my bet.

I find that hard to believe. Ronaldo had left Juventus and United on a sour note. Bayern tend to hate this sort of behaviour. He would also ask silly money as well.
 
Nobody wants him man. He’s going to have to push this all the way until deadline day like he did at Juventus.
Nobody actually believes he would go to Atletico right? Everyone is quick to believe all the rejection reports but are dismissive of the reports that he actually had and rejected an offer from Saudi. Atletico literally makes no sense as a destination.
 
Nobody actually believes he would go to Atletico right? Everyone is quick to believe all the rejection reports but are dismissive of the reports that he actually had and rejected an offer from Saudi. Atletico literally makes no sense as a destination.
Why not? He’s desperate to get out and wants CL football. He’ll take any tier 1 club he can get. He was willing to join City. Why wouldn’t he go Atletico?
 
Bayern aren't daft enough to take him. He's out of options after Chelsea said no.
 
Didn’t he and his partner lose a child a few months ago?

Did he have any time off then?

I can well imagine there would be family issues that could prolong his break over the summer, it might not all be about football and transfers and money.

It would be devastating no matter who you are, I don’t think I’d ever recover.
 
Didn’t he and his partner lose a child a few months ago?

Did he have any time off then?

I can well imagine there would be family issues that could prolong his break over the summer, it might not all be about football and transfers and money.

It would be devastating no matter who you are, I don’t think I’d ever recover.

Very sensible post
 
People would be crazy to doubt him being successful at Bayern. I think that's exactly what will happen, maybe not win, but close. Ronaldo would be a massive success there, he scored 18 goals in the worst United side I have ever seen, put him in an easier league with a top quality team, child's play.
Tbf, Bayern are always a contender for the UCL. Ronaldo or no Ronaldo.
 
Now Lewandowski is gone, would be interesting to see who Bayern wants as his replacement or is that what Mane is?
Apparently Gnabry has always wanted to play as a CF and he just extended his deal. Mane is also quite capable and so too is Muller, who can play as a false 9.

Bayern could well earmark someone like Nkunku next year when his release clause is active and if Gnabry is bust as a CF.
 
Why not? He’s desperate to get out and wants CL football. He’ll take any tier 1 club he can get. He was willing to join City. Why wouldn’t he go Atletico?
He’d lose a lot of his fans. He was always a bigger Real Madrid legend anyway. And Atletico aren’t City. I wouldn’t class them as a tier 1 club. They were over-performing in the past but they’re hardly what they used to be. Plus, Simeone plays slow, defensive football. I honestly think Ronaldo would rather stay at United than go there. Even if he was only in it for the CL goals, he wouldn’t score enough there and Atletico wouldn’t go far enough to justify the move.
 
If he listen to any advice from you according to you personal like/dislike, he wouldn't become GOAT and so successful throughout his career, and wouldn't inspire the likes of Mbappe/Haaland of today, and wouldn't have 700m followers in social media. I get what you mean saying he is so full of himself at times, but this is the very reason he drives himself to the very top and pinnacle of the game throughout the past 17 years or so. Football to us average blokes is all about the team we support, to players however its all about their own career.

I didn’t offer him any advice. I said fair play, it’s worked for him. I just said he’s an unlikable, narcissistic cnut, in my opinion. I don’t necessarily expect people to share that subjective opinion. Especially not a devotee like yourself.

There’s also little point listing all his big achievements because they aren’t mutually exclusive to being a twat. In fact being a twat probably helped. But as you say, I’m a fan of Manchester United, not Ronaldo. And i couldn’t give a monkeys how many instagram followers he has. It’s probably one of the most vapid expressions of narcissism on display today. So really only served to underline the point I was making.

And even though one can make the assertion that his narcissism and self obsession has made him a better individualistic footballer, it hasn’t made him a better team footballer. Just like twattery isn’t mutually exclusive to success, I reckon being cool isn’t mutually exclusive either. It’s just that very successful people get away with being dicks because people bake it into the recipe of their “genius”, fawning over their idol as though their adulation takes them within touching distance of greatness themselves. Often by extension using such rationale to justify their own dickish behaviour. There is something so inherently empty and creepy about hero worship, that I can’t quite fathom it.

There’s even an argument to be made that he could be less of a bell end and still inspire the little Kylians of this world. And further to that, the little Mbappe’s themselves may be inspired to also be less insufferable. But that’s just an outrageous hypothesis.

I will finish by reiterating that my distaste for him as a person doesn’t detract from my admiration of him as an individualistic footballer. One of the best players of all time. Certainly not the best player of all time, as you referred to him as. But top five for sure.
 
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The issue is he wants a transfer, isn't it?

I guess it's possible he has something that happened at the exact time he asked for a move but let's be honest.

Does anyone remember that whenever he was dropped last year his hip issues would flare up and fly back to Portugal.
 
I said "moulding the team", not "moulding Ronaldo", it's right there in my post that you quoted.

Ronaldo might be the greatest ever but football is a team sport and there's a reason every great side in the history of the game trains together. That's even more important when you have a new manager.
I guess I imagine that it's easy enough to use Martial to show everyone where he wants the striker to collect the ball. Our problem is playing out of the back and crafting a chance with good movement and passing. Usually the striker does the least work in these moves. So he's not going to be missed like bedding in a midfielder.

And if he's leaving then there's no point training with him.

Anyway, I admit it's not ideal. But if we had to miss a player in the starting outfield, I'd pick him as be usually just finishes moves. That being said, I saw him dropping deep for Portugal continuously a few months ago, looked pretty comfortable. If he's going to be doing a lot of that then yeah, it's a miss.
 
He was a key player in your last CL win and in your premier league dominance from 2006-09. So much so that he won a Balon D or their.

But ya I guess he didn’t do much.

Guy never said he didn't do much. He did more for Madrid, no?
 
Do you think it's a shitty move to skip training?
At this stage its pure speculation isn't it? People are free to believe what they want to believe, but according the our club he is away from private/family issues. Also, we all know he loss a baby son not long ago, I wouldn't be so harsh on him making accusation based on speculation.
 
The things that gets me is that some of the Ronaldo fan boys don't sit back and ask themselves why is every top European club rejecting the advances of thier almighty ?

Pretty sure they've done that, they just don't like the answer.
 
I find that hard to believe. Ronaldo had left Juventus and United on a sour note. Bayern tend to hate this sort of behaviour. He would also ask silly money as well.
If his wish is champions league goals and he has no other option he’ll drop his wage demands, if it were about money he’d be off to Saudi. He’s a millionaire many times over and would still make huge money from other avenues outside his club wage,
 
I didn’t offer him any advice. I said fair play, it’s worked for him. I just said he’s an unlikable, narcissistic cnut, in my opinion. I don’t necessarily expect people to share that subjective opinion. Especially not a devotee like yourself.

There’s also little point listing all his big achievements because they aren’t mutually exclusive to being a twat. In fact being a twat probably helped. But as you say, I’m a fan of Manchester United, not Ronaldo. And i couldn’t give a monkeys how many instagram followers he has. It’s probably one of the most vapid expressions of narcissism on display today. So really only served to underline the point I was making.

And even though one can make the assertion that his narcissism and self obsession has made him a better individualistic footballer, it hasn’t made him a better team footballer. Just like twattery isn’t mutually exclusive to success, I reckon being cool isn’t mutually exclusive either. It’s just that very successful people get away with being dicks because people bake it into the recipe of their “genius”, fawning over their idol as though their adulation takes them within touching distance of greatness themselves. Often by extension using such rationale to justify their own dickish behaviour. There is something so inherently empty and creepy about hero worship, that I can’t quite fathom it.

There’s even an argument to be made that he could be less of a bell end and still inspire the little Kylians of this world. And further to that, the little Mbappe’s themselves may be inspired to also be less insufferable. But that’s just an outrageous hypothesis.

I will finish by reiterating that my distaste for him as a person doesn’t detract from my admiration of him as an individualistic footballer. One of the best players of all time. Certainly not the best player of all time, as you referred to him as. But top five for sure.
Not really. Just trying to explain from another perspective of what you personally hate could be something lead to massive success/role model to majority of people out there. Its not about right or wrong, just another perspective.
 
At this stage its pure speculation isn't it? People are free to believe what they want to believe, but according the our club he is away from private/family issues. Also, we all know he loss a baby son not long ago, I wouldn't be so harsh on him making accusation based on speculation.


It's possible that he has legit personal issues which warrant far more time off than the death of his son did last season, at the exact same time as him asking to leave.

Just not remotely likely at all to the point of being an obvious face-saving tactic which I thought was so obvious, even his most rabid fans would see through it. Guess not. I mean does him workout selfies not kinda give it away?
 
It's possible that he has legit personal issues which warrant far more time off than the death of his son did last season, at the exact same time as him asking to leave.

Just not remotely likely at all to the point of being an obvious face-saving tactic which I thought was so obvious, even his most rabid fans would see through it. Guess not. I mean does him workout selfies not kinda give it away?
Again you can speculate all you want. You are free to do so.

But if one of my colleagues has loss a baby child not long ago, I wouldn't be so judgemental on him taking extra days off work. Its just a basic compassion thing of being a human.
 
Goodness me, you guys must really hate Ronaldo so much that you are hoping that somebody will take him away. Its like all of you wanted to release your hatred the moment you heard the "he is gonna leave" smokescreen story. What did he do to you guys anyway?

Regardless of the story, he is going to leave next summer as per his contract and he will be moving to Sporting as he promised his mother. This means you guys will finally get your wish next summer, so sit tight until then and support the club. Apparently we played 2 pre-season games if you guys had noticed.
 
Not really. Just trying to explain from another perspective of what you personally hate could be something lead to massive success/role model to majority of people out there. Its not about right or wrong, just another perspective.

It certainly is another perspective that narcissism leads to massive success, and is role model worthy, on that we agree. But that’s certainly not right, it’s very wrong. Narcissism is not a trait to be idolised or glorified.

Ronaldo is one of the hardest workers in football when it comes to self improvement. That’s a trait to admire. But the idea that devotion to self improvement should be fuelled by narcissism is just all levels of wrong.
 
Not really. Just trying to explain from another perspective of what you personally hate could be something lead to massive success/role model to majority of people out there. Its not about right or wrong, just another perspective.

How do people end up getting so deluded about something? It really is quite bizarre.
 
Again you can speculate all you want. You are free to do so.

But if one of my colleagues has loss a baby child not long ago, I wouldn't be so judgemental on him taking extra days off work. Its just a basic compassion thing of being a human.

Absolutely. He got a time off when that happened last season and of course nobody had anything other than sympathy for the guy. Nobody would've batted an eyelid had he taken more time off than he did either.

That's got zero to do with this though. All we know is the club has said he's off for "personal reasons" and he's posting topless gym selfies. It's incredibly manipulative of you to bring up the death of his kid last season in this.
 
I mean does him workout selfies not kinda give it away?

Let's just say it makes it harder to get behind the idea that he's in the middle of a grieving process with his family and just wants to be left alone (which is an idea peddled by his fan club - not by himself - to be clear).
 
The "tragic" thing is that Bayern could probably actually make good use of him if his ego would permit a role as an impact sub.
 
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