You didn't watch him against Liverpool and City last season?
Anyway did Bayern has clearly said no thanks?
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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Anyway did Bayern has clearly said no thanks?
Nonother player can refuse to go on preseason tour. I hope EtH benches him if he is still here in a few weeks time
I find the intense dislike on here of such a great player, who has achieved plenty with our club, very odd.
I understand the embittered hatred of people who dislike the clubs he's played for - United, Madrid, Juventus (the three most successful, therefore most hated, clubs in their countries). And I understand how people can hate out of jealousy someone who seems to have everything. And therefore grasp at things like 'he's too selfish', 'there's one better player than him in his generation', etc, as a desperate attempt to find anything to try to undermine the amazing career he's had.
But the hatred on here - a United forum - of a player who has provided so many great memories for the club, and is one of our all time top scorers (mostly as a winger) and one of our few Ballon D'or winners, etc, is very odd in my opinion.
I understand you standpoint from United fans perspective. But the fact that he has by far the most followers in social media out of all human being in this planet (over 700m followers in total), it isn't really that odd of coming across the idea of anyone being Ronaldo fan too.
Ain't gonna happen, mate as much as you want a happy ending for your beloved one.
The guy is an absolute legend of the game, no one can and will ever take it away from him. He masterfully handled his career until now but his last move is epically backfiring. Bayern is the least interested of all them mentioned clubs and I still can't understand why people keep linking him to them, despite every evidence to the contrary. He's the most anti-Bayern signing if it ever was one and they unequivocally said to him "another time in another life". You got to be a die hard Ronaldo fan to not be able that there's zero chance for him to go there or anywhere else (read well managed club with a serious shot at the CL), unless he divides his actual salary by three and finally accepts to be the super-sub he's become. Coming back to MU was his (and Mendes') last masterstroke.
The most damning thing is that if he realized that he can't beat Father Time and consequently tweaked his ambitions, he'd have more chances to stay at the top a bit longer and add to his CL tally. Playing hard ball and overselling himself will currently never work. He's simply not worth the hassle. I don't particularly like him but having seen his meteoric rise from his early MU days as well as Messi's at Barca, I can't help but feeling sad as it truly marks the end of a magical era. And that's coming from someone who's old enough to remember a declining Maradona still putting Serie A and WC defenders on their arses, brazilian Ronaldo redefining the role of a number 9 and churning out insane numbers (at the time) and Zidane's winning double headbutts in the 1998 WC final.
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So in your book that gives him free rein to treat the club like shit for the second time, as let's remember, this is a guy who was being paid maybe close to 150 grand at the time and stated he was held against his will at the club and treated like a slave in order to force his way out, and now he is at it again, and we are just supposed to accept it ?
The thing you seem to forget, like the person you quoted said, most on here support Man Utd FC and not CR7 FC. And I wouldn't call it hate, as how can you hate a person you never met ? Dislike his attitude yes, hate no, not in my book.
I think he would either get 1 year deal with Bayern (next summer they would go for Nkunku anyway, so Ronaldo could be their 1 year stop gap signing for CL), or he would just stay with us. Chelsea and PSG is already out, while he has also turned down astronomical offer Saudi Arabi. Its clear he wants to stay in top club in Europe for now, but there is no suitable club interest in him. Bayern would be his last hope, as they surely would also need someone to fill the hole after Lewandowski leaves.
I don’t hate him, nor have I ever claimed to have.
To me he’s the undisputed GOAT, but I still struggle to like him or adore him the same way I’ve adored other United legends.
To me he’s a Real Madrid legend where he gave them his best years after pleading to leave us (remember the infamous ‘slavery’ comments), and now he’s doing the same again, with his agent whoring him out to the likes of Chelsea, and let’s not forget how keen and willing he was to join City last summer.
I can’t dispute his legendary status in footballing history but I don’t care for the guy either. Frankly I’m happy the moment he’s gone. That’s not hatred or any personal vitriolic sentiment towards him, I just want our clubs rebuild to not be compromised by mercenary types like him.
Some fair points there.
But, personally, I don't get the need to add in insults like 'mercenary types' and 'diva' (your earlier post). That does come across as 'personal vitriolic sentiment towards him'.
I really don't see why he's a 'mercenary'. He's played in an era where players move clubs a lot. He spent 6 years here, 9 years at Madrid, 3 years at Juventus. This is the only time he might move on after a short period. He's given his absolute all for his clubs (and national team) throughout his career, in a relentless pursuit to improve and reach, and stay at, the top in winning sides. He could have moved to 'retirement' leagues offering mad sums of money - as many players do long before 37/38 - but chooses to stay performing in the top competitions, and for his national team, where the games, goals and victories really matter.
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You're talking from a PL centred point of view and surmising that for Bayern it's either Lewa or Ronaldo. That's not how it works and Bayern more than often play the long game. They have enough choices from the BL, signed Mané exactly because they knew that Lewandowski was going one way or another and they just extended Gnabry' contact. They are a very well run club and don't give in nor are inclined to panic buy. The german league top spots (i.e.CL) are pretty much guaranteed year in, year out so they have no real pressure. Why in the love of god should they sign a 37 years old striker, way past his best, unbalance their team, indulge the media circus and wreck their wage structure for a one year stop gap? Because he'll sell more shirts? People really think that he'll bang +30 goals in the BL? Come on.
No fecking way in hell, in my not ITK opinion. I just don't see it and even if they do sign him, I'd still maintain that it would be a colossal mistake. Ronaldo won't be playing the CL this season, whether he likes it or not and imo you're stuck with him. For the better or the worse. I personally think that EtH would rather do without him.
I am not saying Bayern would definitely go for him as he obviously doesn't fit their philosophy (buying younger and long term player). But it is highly likely Mendes would try his best selling them the idea of buying Ronaldo as 1 year stop gap, especially when they already have the squad to compete for CL and doesn't have any structural issue like us, but just lack a proven goalscorer. There would also be commercial benefits of it too, as there will be more viewers to watch their games when Ronaldo is playing there etc. And there is chance that Ronaldo would be willing to lower his wage demand within Bayern wage structure, as with him rejecting Saudi Arabi moves clearly show his intent wasn't all about money.
However if Bayern doesn't really need that the extra edge to push for CL, and doesn't mind with no proven striker to fill their gap next season once Lewandowski leaves in summer, so be it (Mane would better off operating as WF as that has been his main position throughout his career, but if Bayern want him as CF instead, why not). He will then stay at United instead, thats what I am saying.
In the same way you're 'stuck with' 35 year old Jamie Vardy?
Ronaldo, at 37, is obviously 'past his prime' - as that 'prime' was scoring 50/60 goals a season! But he still scored 24 goals last season - as many as Vardy has ever managed in a season for Leicester. And if he stays, with a team with more creativity and tactics under ETH, there's no reason to assume he couldn't manage at least the same again.
And if he joined Bayern Munich - a more dominant team in a weaker domestic league - he'd definitely be capable of scoring 30 goals in the season (he's scored 60 goals in the last two seasons in Serie A and the PL - which averages out at 30 a season).
But I agree that a move to Bayern seems unlikely based on their comments and transfer policy. And I hope it doesn't happen, as I'd like him to stay here for one more year while we address other areas that we need to strengthen. It's already a tough enough job to get the de Jong deal over the line, maybe strengthen RB, maybe a DM, another striker to replace Cavani / Greenwood, etc. I'd like to delay the expensive #9 addition until next summer.
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Dude, it is 2022 now. Your beloved hero isn't that player anymore.
It seems that no one wants the GOAT apart from Saudi
Does Ronaldo need pre-season?
No one stays in better shape, he surely knows what role ETH wants him to play.He is getting a bit old, extra running can’t be good.
No one stays in better shape, he surely knows what role ETH wants him to play.He is getting a bit old, extra running can’t be good.
Ronaldo wants champions league, but champions league don't want him
After this fiasco, it’s easier for ETH to drop him now. Ronaldo can sulk all he wants. This has back fired on him big time!
Pre season isn't about extra running. It's about the new manager moulding the team.
Harder to do that if the talisman is skipping weeks of team training.
I can totally see the logic in your post. What I can also tell you is that I always found Ronaldo rather unlikable. Even when he was here in his pomp, I respected what he could do as a player but I despised his histrionics and self centered attitude on the pitch. When he fecked us off for Madrid, again although I still respected his value as a player, I despised him further.
When you watch him over the years and you see his petty attitude, like barely celebrating his team mates score crucial goals in a CL final, only to then run off in wild celebration like he’d saved the day, after banging in a meaningless 4th goal from the penalty spot, it was hard to see beyond the narcissism. People say it’s what makes him a great winner, but all I see is “me, me, me, meeeeee” from him, all the time. And it got old about a decade ago.
Now, fast forward to the present, and here we have a player who considers himself undroppable, unable to accept his decline, who makes teams worse by his status being far removed from his contribution to a functioning team unit, and he is at it again. Not turning up for pre-season, trying to engineer a move because he is more important than the team. Ronaldo is always in it for Ronaldo. His numbers, his stats, his accolades. Fair play, he’s had enormous success doing that. A fabulous player in his prime, but now a complete white elephant.
I really hopes he leaves, as I think his presence will be a huge sideshow and distraction and be detrimental to the collective team ethos ETH is trying to instill. Ronaldo still has value as a player, but in a role that accurately reflects his ability to positively impact results. That’s as (a) a rotational player and (b) an impact sub when you are chasing a goal. But that value could only ever be extracted if he had humility about his decline. Which he doesn’t. So instead he’s just a middle aged man baby on massive wages with a god complex.
The timing of this is particularly poor, because as fans we’ve had 9 shitty years since SAF retired, and we are all desperately yearning for some collectivity, a functioning team unit greater than the sum of its parts. For unity and a strong collective will to all pull in the same direction to the best of abilities. Then we have Ronaldo throwing strops, thinking he’s bigger than the club, and only thinking about himself.
We never should’ve brought him back, and the sooner he leaves the better. A legendary player, but a really unlikable character. There is also the issue of some really disturbing allegations against him, but as those remain unproven, I’ll just say that I find them troubling but reserve judgement.
I think a moment that encapsulated so much of what I dislike about Ronaldo was what I saw in the euro final. He went off injured. His team went on to win the game. But for Ronaldo his team winning wasn’t his victory, it was maybe no victory at all, so he had to make it about him. There he was on the touch line, standing in front of the manager waving his hands furiously, shouting tactical instructions, directing players. If he wasn’t scoring the goal and leading his team to victory, he was managing them. The glory was his. But I would venture that they won in spite of his ridiculous pantomime muddling the messages of the actual manager. It’s just unbridled narcissism that means he can never see beyond his own reflection.
I’d suggest he go feck himself after his latest bit of theatre but I am quite certain he is way ahead of me on that one.
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Yep. Aside from Ronaldo himself needing to understand what the manager wants, the entire dynamic of our attack will change once you drop Ronaldo into it because of the type of player he is.
Having to accomodate Ronaldo's weaknesses in the team would be problem enough, never mind having to do so without the benefit of being able to work on how you'll manage it over pre-season.
I hope he is played on merit. It that means he is benched so be it
It‘s a bit of karma is it. He tried to leave from the club who had supported him during his tough time when he was young criticised by lot of pundits and booed by opposition fans due to lack of end product and trying to do lot skills, and turn up no one wants him now, which kinda embarrassing. But I’m not blaming him not wanting to play for team that has no intention to win the league this season.
Atletico latest club to say no.
He wont start games
True, and it could lead to issues this season. Hence I hope the manager will be super tough with him
We should force him out to the Saudi side by saying your not in our first 11 and you will be a squad player. However I suspect he will go to Bayern for 12 months when Lewandowski leaves. United should have the last laugh however by asking for £30M and state we’ve turned down that sum already and whilst we accept that Christiano is not as good as Robert Lewandowski and 3 years older we think that £25-30M is a fair reflection of his current value. This should be briefed in all the press.
Being rejected by these clubs must be wreaking havoc with his ego.
Yeah he was so incredible in the KO stage against Atlético last season
Anyone think a Bayern Munich deal is in place.... just waiting to get Lewandowski to go?
Not a word of him returning to training yet for us.
Not a word of him returning to training yet for us.
We should just fine him two weeks wages and bench him
We're pissing ourselves laughing watching him throw himself at them and get rejected.
The things that gets me is that some of the Ronaldo fan boys don't sit back and ask themselves why is every top European club rejecting the advances of thier almighty ?
Is Ronaldo really the cause of us not performing last season or is it because of his mentality to always be at the very top.
I just feel he's like another Michael Jordan. An absolute asshole who demands the very best from his team mates all the time.
Maybe there's no "place" for him anymore in the modern game but his professionalism is something that's lacking amongst a lot of our players.
I just feel he's like another Michael Jordan. An absolute asshole who demands the very best from his team mates all the time.
Maybe there's no "place" for him anymore in the modern game but his professionalism is something that's lacking amongst a lot of our players.
I won't rule that out but Bayern are going for the long game.. They want younger striker.
Skipping work is about as unprofessional as it gets.
thought he got family issues to handle ?
That and every PR attempts by him, his associates or his fans. Goldbridge is a prime example
So who’s the world class forward that would be replacing Lewandowski then? It isn’t 2012 anymore.
It makes no sense from Bayern’s perspective.
The issue is he wants a transfer, isn't it?
I guess it's possible he has something that happened at the exact time he asked for a move but let's be honest.
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