You need to watch manutd’s games before and after. Not only his game in those games. Well, I should not have replied to your post because I know you are his fan. Still, just share some thoughts.
Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)
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Conversion rate can be very arbitrary though. It’s not definitive of anything especially when it comes to a player like Ronaldo who usually attempts shots from obscene ranges and angles that no other player would even contemplate shooting from. That all factors into “conversion rate.”
I watched the games he was present and absent and saw no difference in the team’s play. Maybe we were even worse. And yes, we were better in 20/21 but it’s silly to say that’s down to Ronaldo. These were totally different seasons.
We changed our style because of him and it drove us to 6th. He was our only striker at the last part of the season and he was absolutely shattered. Fair play for putting the effort in but he’s really not what we should be taking into a brand new era at our club.
Odd situation now, even if he stays and works hard to help us back to fourth then he's due to leave and not take part. United going into the next season after with a 38 year old and in ten Hag's second year seems strange as well if he did stay a third year.
For Ronaldo we had to qualify for his two year stint to work. I tried to warn him (not that he would read it) how our second place was not a sign we were progressing or on the up. Hugely down to Liverpool having no defence and Lampard doing poorly, it was not safe to join us. Really it was a net 4th, a lowish 73 points with other caveats. Not only as expected did Chelsea and Liverpool come back to occupy the top spots but we've seen Spurs leap ahead now. ETH could do very well and end up 5th still. We might see a return to the days of 4th place gaining ~75 points. 4th place in 2014 had 79 points.
I could see Ronnie's discontent while at Juve languishing out the CL spots for most of the season was very likely to happen here but worse and sadly this all came to fruition.
For Ronaldo we had to qualify for his two year stint to work. I tried to warn him (not that he would read it) how our second place was not a sign we were progressing or on the up. Hugely down to Liverpool having no defence and Lampard doing poorly, it was not safe to join us. Really it was a net 4th, a lowish 73 points with other caveats. Not only as expected did Chelsea and Liverpool come back to occupy the top spots but we've seen Spurs leap ahead now. ETH could do very well and end up 5th still. We might see a return to the days of 4th place gaining ~75 points. 4th place in 2014 had 79 points.
I could see Ronnie's discontent while at Juve languishing out the CL spots for most of the season was very likely to happen here but worse and sadly this all came to fruition.
Ok lets do a bit of math here. CR conversion rate for league + UCL combined is slightly above 18% whereas Lewa is 25%. Assuming that lewa did not take a single “shots from obscene ranges and angles”, in order for CR7 to reach 25% conversion rate on shots that are not from “obscene range and angles” with very low chance of scoring, the ratio of normal shots versus obscene range and angle shots has to be around 70/30.
In order words, we are assuming 30% of the time he will be taking shots from obscene ranges and angles, and any lower would mean his conversion rate isn’t as good as Lewa.
I am not sure about others, for people that plays football/futsal, how would one feel when there is this player who takes shots from obscene range and angles 30% of the time, even if he very occasionally scores from those shots?
Fair enough. Reasonable answer but what actually was our style?
Well, the season before we were a counter attacking team. Last season Ole wanted to be more front foot, playing out the back, holding possession. I think he would have done it regardless of Ronaldo, it was because of not being able to get passed the low block.
It sounds like you are suggesting Ole was behind a calculated change in style last season, not Ronaldo?
We have 1 win in 11 games when he was absent/not starting last season. He may not be the solution, but we have none without him either.
There are lots of factors changing the way we played last season compared to previous ones - shocking form of Rashford, who was crucial to our counter attack play. Injuries of Cavani, introduction of Sancho, who is totally not suit to play as direct WF role under Ole counter attack system, and troubles with Greenwood. We have also loss James, who has always been key to our previous game plan to attack on the break with pace. And of course the form of Bruno too, we rely heavily on his individual form during our previous season.
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Well we was winning both games against Everton and Chelsea before he came on if I’m right. Can’t think of the other game he wasn’t starting.
Out of the 9 he missed thought we won 3, draw 4 and loss 2. So there is not real correlation to be made eitherway. But what we do know if we finished 2nd without him and 6th with him. That’s the biggest proof.
Except for Cavani’s injuries.. Ronaldo was the catalyst for all those things you mentioned
No we only won 1 out of 11 games (league+cups) he didn’t feature or start. But if you also counted the early seasons games against likes of Leeds before we bought him, in total I think we won 3 out of 14 games.
That would be hilarious. He stays and we get 4th, then bin him off for the next season. Taste them apples
Except for Cavani’s injuries.. Ronaldo was the catalyst for all those things you mentioned
I don’t think Ronaldo was there when Greenwood was allegedly abusing his girlfriend. You can’t pin that one on him! He didn’t sell James either.In fact I don’t see how any of the problems mentioned were anything to do with him.If Rashfords loss of form was down to Ronaldo then that shows his weak mentality which is his own issue. Same for Bruno.
Stone has confirmed the huge Saudi offer in his FDJ piece. Says it’s believed he wants to keep playing at the highest level though.
250 million in Saudi Arabia for two years? What the..
To be fair he’s going to get that next year, the year after or the year after.
He could get it already now, I mean it's insane to turn down but shows he doesn't care about money over trophies.
But it’s not as if he’s not already super rich - I just meant he could wait for a couple of years without stressing.
If he stays fit, doesn't injure himself severely or retires for other reasons. It's just a mindblowing lot of money
True. It shows his ambition with turning that offer down already now though.
What Saudi club is it you reckon? Al Nasr?
Of course, I take your points but there is no reason for him to think that considering his injury record.
He’s going to earn a hell of a lot of money after he’s retired as well. Beckham earns more now that he did while he was playing and I’d not be surprised if Ronaldo had a similar trajectory.
Have some faith and excitement for the new season maybe with this new manager?
Football is supposed to be an enjoyable game you are making us sound like Doomer FC for two years running. Chelsea aren’t even that good btw so don’t use them as an example when we finished 2nd.
Fired up world class manager, loads of young talented players and new signings with a brand new style of play. Yes please looking forward to our future.
I'm being realistic in Ronaldo's position. Chelsea transformed when Tuchel took over and were one of the leagues form teams and went on to win the CL. We finished above them thanks to Lampard.
I'm positive with ten Hag but also realistic that top 4 could be an even tougher battle and it may take an extra year. I think Spurs and Chelsea can be overcome. Chelsea tapered off with the whole Russia thing but both teams have strengthened and have top managers too in Tuchel and Conte. I'm just looking at it from another perspective.
Greenwood didn’t like Ronaldo in the team and didn’t understand why he was an option upfront ahead of him
James was sold because Ronaldo came in.
Cavani lost his squad number because of Ronaldo and also knew he’d be getting less minutes. Yes he’s always injured anyway.
Rashford….. well we know he didn’t like Ronaldo.
Bruno had to play under Ronaldo’s shadow and suffered because of it. The runs he would of made playing with a Tony Martial he could nolonger do.
So I’m confused to how Ronaldo didn’t make an impact.
The backtrack has started (subtle inclusion of United shorts in the photo).
Haha! Imagine getting those minishorts made to make entries on your insta-account. Such an important exercise for footballers too...
You look ripped, Ronny, but what the hell, you look more selfabsorbed than anything.
Also 30m in transfer fee - can probably negotiate for 80 if they're crazy enough. We should do to Ronaldo what Barca are doing to De Jong.
Yep. We basically wheeled out Sir Alex to beg our “legend” to come back to the club over City. He would’ve joined them without a second thought if we didn’t put on the Man Utd avengers style intervention.
Club is not sure he'll turn up for preseason. I am smelling a rat.
He’ll come back after pre season expecting to start straight away whilst everyone has been bonding and working on Ten Hags system all summer.
What I am thinking. How ETH handles this situation could define his time here.
Honestly worry how we'll do with him in the squad.
Our pressing will automatically get worse.
Our pressing will automatically get worse.
Selling to Saudi for 30m would be the dream scenario. Looks like he doesn't want to go there however so the next best thing would be to mutually terminate his contract, off with you pal.
Him staying next season is a disaster as far as I am concerned and I'd be very surprised if ETH wants a 37 year old disruptive influence in the squad who will act like a five year old everytime he is subbed off or not started. We need a team that plays for each other not a team who has to play to suit Ronaldo. Get rid please.
Him staying next season is a disaster as far as I am concerned and I'd be very surprised if ETH wants a 37 year old disruptive influence in the squad who will act like a five year old everytime he is subbed off or not started. We need a team that plays for each other not a team who has to play to suit Ronaldo. Get rid please.
I am, because it's what Ole himself said.
Rashford only came back after his op during the season, he'd been playing through loads of injuries the two years before, including a broken back, was training all the way up to the finals and then got an insane amount of abuse for missing a penalty. I don't blame him for one bad season when everyone else is turd.Except for Cavani’s injuries.. Ronaldo was the catalyst for all those things you mentioned
The Sancho buy, which was planned for might have been one of the reasons for the change in style, he was supposed to be our marquee signing.
Greenwood is nobodies fault but his own.
James was sold earlier than Ronaldo coming in I think, and Bruno just didn't get ridiculous numbers like he had for the previous 2/3 seasons.
The biggest issues we had, especially at the beginning was the form of Maguire and Shaw, who were both atrocious, and scuppered the whole 'playing out of the back'
ten Hag needs to make him play his way in training back into the team.
Hopefully he doesn't come back in because we're desperate.
Hopefully he doesn't come back in because we're desperate.
All those yelling and screaming that he was only interested in the money have gone very quiet about Ronaldo turning down £250m from the saudis...
Likely doesn't fancy the circus everytime he has to sub/rotate or rest him...
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