Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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There was no need to leak it through Duncan. They should have first saw the options available. This just makes it uncomfortable for everyone involved

As far as his professionalism is concerned, have no doubt that if he stayed, he will be great.
 
Pretty worrying if he stays due to zero interest by top clubs that he will need to be buttered up. I was hoping that in the unfortunate event he stays after throwing his toys out of the pram that he'd have lost the leverage he had and would have to accept his game time being managed properly and that he'd be expected to bow to the needs of the team.
 
Maybe the realization that no other club wants will humble pie Cristiano a bit, although I doubt it.
Either way, must be a hard pill to swallow for such an ego maniac.
Maybe ask him to take a wage cut whilst we’re at it too, let him know he’s a part time player now.

Meh, bit of a bummer if true, honestly wanted him gone, was happy to see all these young hungry lads at training. Looking forward to a dynamic team, with everyone doing their part off the ball.

Can we loan him and make some other club cover his wages and deal with all this nonsense and him throwing his toys of the pram whenever he gets subbed?

What a joke.
 
ah feck it football is a fickle game and once he starts scoring I’ll get over his feckery pretty quickly one would imagine.
 
Saves us from buying a #9 and will hopefully mean we finally focus on our three problem areas (DM, RB, RW - although we have barely been linked with any players in those positions this summer).
 
Ronaldo did not take Juve backwards. Juve only did poorly in his final season due to their poor signings during his time there. Excluding Ronaldo, they spent nearly €450 million in 3 seasons without anything to show for it. Their coaches changed with every season he was there: Allegri (cycle had ended - played painful football throughout season, did not want Ronaldo), Sarri (poor tactics, players disliked him, won the league thanks to CR7 and Dybala) and Pirlo (poor tactics, poor motivator). Where are Juventus now?

Ronaldo did not take United backwards any more than signing Sancho & Varane did. Ole's cycle had ended because he was a mediocre tactician and a poor motivator. United hired a poor caretaker in Rangnick and the team fell apart. Ronaldo did well to become the 3rd highest scorer in the league.

An accusation against him is that he was responsible for reducing United's overall goals - who would have scored those goals? Why did they not score those goals when Ronaldo did not play? With Ronaldo, Juventus averaged 75 goals in Serie A. Last year they scored less than 60 goals. Why did this happen? Surely if Ronaldo was 'stealing' the teams goals, they would have scored at least 70 goals. How come star signing Vlahovic hit only 7 goals in 16 league games? I thought Ronaldo leaving would have freed midfielders/attackers to pass the ball around freely.

No one wants the 37 year old because of his wages and demands to play all games. Not because he took anyone backwards.
Ronaldo does not limit any of his teams tactically. Immediately prior to and after his joining, Madrid, Juve and United were never considered pressing teams. In fact Juve was an expert at sitting deep and hitting teams on the breakaway. They hardly ever pressed in the opposition half.
Lewandowski closes passing lanes in the center column, but he doesn't press for Bayern or Poland at all.

This whole concept of pressing is a media-myth created by the English press after over-grandizing the playing styles of Guardiola and Klopp (2 of the most dominant managers in recent history). PSG/Chelsea/Inter/Milan/Juve/Madrid/Atletico are not pressing monsters. They almost exclusively press inside their half unless there is a specific phase of play. Pressing is not the only tactic.

Well said x2. I’m

honestly tired of debunking the dimiwitted, lazy analysis of Ronaldo’s last 4 years on here. Most of the points don’t even seem like genuine opinions. Just garbage that’s being regurgitated from the media rather than an original critical opinion. Pressing has NEVER been an issue mentioned against Ronaldo in his 20 year career until this past season. It’s beyond nonsensical,
 
If ETH wants to play with any sort of pressing game then he'll have to wait another year now, unless he benches Ronaldo. And now Ronaldo knows nobody wants him, I can see him sticking around a couple more seasons at the least.

At least he'll score goals and it might mean we don't have to rely on the likes of Martial.
 
Saves us from buying a #9 and will hopefully mean we finally focus on our three problem areas (DM, RB, RW - although we have barely been linked with any players in those positions this summer).

Don't agree with this thought process but apparently Erik isn't keen on playing with a DM, only RB link has been Walker-Peters from Ornstein, then RW has pretty much only been about Antony.
 
If ETH wants to play with any sort of pressing game then he'll have to wait another year now, unless he benches Ronaldo. And now Ronaldo knows nobody wants him, I can see him sticking around a couple more seasons at the least.

At least he'll score goals and it might mean we don't have to rely on the likes of Martial.
Maybe you should tell ETH that because according to Castles, who we know is reliable for Mendes stuff, and ETH himself, Ronaldo is a key part of his plans.

The utter state of this thread. Its embarrassing. He’s our top scorer. Its NOT good if he leaves especially considering the market for a 20+ goal striker right now is drier than the sahara desert. Top players tend to want to leave when the situation looks bad. Rooney did it too. It happens. He should have handled it differently though, absolutely. But he’s human. Maybe initially he thought he’d stay but then when he had more time to reflect he changed his mind + club wasn’t showing as much pull in the market as he and we wouldve hoped. How many times have you perfect humans made a decision and then changed your mind about it?

He’s our top scorer. It is in the best interests of ManUtd if he stays another year.
 
For Erik, Ronaldo and Maguire will be an interesting mix to manage. There is even a talk that the former youth player may come back. Erik will need to be an excellent man manager as well as a coach.
 
Does he work hard enough for a Ten Hag team, surely Erik wouldn't want him just getting on the end of things in the box.
 
This would make too much sense. There can't possibly be a rational explanation. It always has to be something negative.
They want to set their expectations so low so that the club can’t disappoint them. But they’re putting it on a man who has had a torrid past 6 months. He made positive comments about Ten Hag and then he left to go sort out his family issues. But people would rather believe the Daily Mail or Romano instead of what the manager says.
 
I agree.

It just seems baffling that his agent seems to have leaked all this leaving stuff at the exact same point though, naturally making a lot of fans think the absence is connected.
It happens with a lot of Mendes’ high profile clients.

He has used leaks to pressure clubs into making an intended action many times. It happened a season ago with Bernardo Silva, it’s happened every year for Neves and Sanches.

I’m sure Ronaldo isn’t happy to miss out on UCL at his age and if Bayern come calling he might strongly strongly consider it. But I don’t think he is desperate to leave as most are stating.

The original leaks stated Mendes was trying to send Ronaldo to Napoli. And I can guarantee he won’t leave us for Napoli.
 
To quote Rangnick
"Cristiano Ronaldo, and I’m not blaming him at all, he did great in those games," he said. "But he’s not a pressing monster. He’s not a player, even when he was a young player, who was crying, shouting 'hooray, the other team has got the ball, where can we win balls?"

Ronaldo limits his team tactically, imagine Liverpool, City, Bayern without the pressing from their forwards, then all of a sudden you need to sit deeper and deeper, it has a domino effect on the rest of the team when statistically its like playing with 10 men without the ball. it was worth it when he was averaging 50 goals, but a 20+ a season Ronaldo isn't worth it.
Its the opportunity cost that set his team backwards.
It’s not like our other forwards (Greenwood, Rashford, Martial) would be playing like a pressing machine either.
 
That's exactly what happened, in my opinion. As you said, he probably thought he could be the difference between 2nd place and 1st and thought it would be a bit feather in his cap to do so.

Instead, he came back to the club that he was loved it, couldn't be bothered to move a muscle except to take shots (bottom one percentile of forwards and midfielders in terms of sprints) and had a deleterious effect on the team, which saw us go from 2nd to 6th and have our worst season of the premier league era.

He's now realized that he's in over his head and has decided to throw himself at every big club in Europe to find a way out, because this stint has tarnished the the image that many supporters had.

So he seemed to have decided to stay because now he can “see the efforts United are putting in”,after a grand zero of offers by elite clubs for the past 2 weeks.
Frankly if I were him, I will just take a huge paycut and join Napoli or Sporting, as “no big clubs want me” record is more damaging to his brand than a 1 year lower wages
 
I just don't know how we'll press from the front if Ronaldo is in the team.

It destabilizes the entire system from the start.
 
To quote Rangnick
"Cristiano Ronaldo, and I’m not blaming him at all, he did great in those games," he said. "But he’s not a pressing monster. He’s not a player, even when he was a young player, who was crying, shouting 'hooray, the other team has got the ball, where can we win balls?"

Ronaldo limits his team tactically, imagine Liverpool, City, Bayern without the pressing from their forwards, then all of a sudden you need to sit deeper and deeper, it has a domino effect on the rest of the team when statistically its like playing with 10 men without the ball. it was worth it when he was averaging 50 goals, but a 20+ a season Ronaldo isn't worth it.
Its the opportunity cost that set his team backwards.
See, you guys make crap up. And believe it. How much did Ronaldo average pressures wise? 6.54 per 90. Lewa? 9.68. 3 more per game and you’re saying imagine bayern without the pressing from their forwards? Seriously stop making crap up. For context, Firmino, who does actually press a ton, averaged 23.48 per 90.

There are multiple ways to win in football. You lot think there’s literally no other way to win than without having your striker run around like a headless chicken. So stupid to the point its infuriating.

Btw, to back up what I said unlike you lot who just say random crap, here are the sources:

https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo

https://fbref.com/en/players/8d78e732/Robert-Lewandowski

https://fbref.com/en/players/4c370d81/Roberto-Firmino

Also to add to it, Benzema who just won both the big trophies and was great all year:

https://fbref.com/en/players/70d74ece/Karim-Benzema

Yeah…..
 
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I knew it :lol: no sane club would want him. Either enjoy europa league or feck off to sporting lisbon.
 
I just don't know how we'll press from the front if Ronaldo is in the team.

It destabilizes the entire system from the start.
He doesn’t need to press the whole game because ETH can simply use him as an impact sub. Then, problem solved. The real question is if he accepts that role.
 
See, you guys make crap up. And believe it. How much did Ronaldo average pressures wise? 6.54 per 90. Lewa? 9.68. 3 more per game and you’re saying imagine bayern without the pressing from their forwards? Seriously stop making crap up. For context, Firmino, who does actually press a ton, averaged 23.48 per 90.

There are multiple ways to win in football. You lot think there’s literally no other way to win than without having your striker run around like a headless chicken. So stupid to the point its infuriating.

Btw, to back up what I said unlike you lot who just say random crap, here are the sources:

https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo

https://fbref.com/en/players/8d78e732/Robert-Lewandowski

https://fbref.com/en/players/4c370d81/Roberto-Firmino

Also to add to it, Benzema who just won both the big trophies and was great all year:

https://fbref.com/en/players/70d74ece/Karim-Benzema

Yeah…..
You probably should use 90mins divided by that avg pressure number and see the whole picture.
 
Ronaldo did not take Juve backwards. Juve only did poorly in his final season due to their poor signings during his time there. Excluding Ronaldo, they spent nearly €450 million in 3 seasons without anything to show for it. Their coaches changed with every season he was there: Allegri (cycle had ended - played painful football throughout season, did not want Ronaldo), Sarri (poor tactics, players disliked him, won the league thanks to CR7 and Dybala) and Pirlo (poor tactics, poor motivator). Where are Juventus now?

Ronaldo did not take United backwards any more than signing Sancho & Varane did. Ole's cycle had ended because he was a mediocre tactician and a poor motivator. United hired a poor caretaker in Rangnick and the team fell apart. Ronaldo did well to become the 3rd highest scorer in the league.

An accusation against him is that he was responsible for reducing United's overall goals - who would have scored those goals? Why did they not score those goals when Ronaldo did not play? With Ronaldo, Juventus averaged 75 goals in Serie A. Last year they scored less than 60 goals. Why did this happen? Surely if Ronaldo was 'stealing' the teams goals, they would have scored at least 70 goals. How come star signing Vlahovic hit only 7 goals in 16 league games? I thought Ronaldo leaving would have freed midfielders/attackers to pass the ball around freely.

No one wants the 37 year old because of his wages and demands to play all games. Not because he took anyone backwards.

Chiesa injured
Dybala injured
No new striker bought until the 2nd half of the season as Ronaldo left after the season start

This is what happens when you play with Morata as your main striker..
 
I just don't know how we'll press from the front if Ronaldo is in the team.

It destabilizes the entire system from the start.

Gegenpressing and total football are not the only systems in football. There are various ways to play besides relying on a system of approach. ETH already knew about Ronaldo even before he became manager, so he knows what sort of formations Ronaldo can play in. Ronaldo's key attributes is his capability to attack spaces, position himself in good areas and provide a good finish to the final ball, which is what ETH needs now.

Besides, Ronaldo does positional pressing where he tries to narrow down the space for which the opponent goalkeeper or center back can pass into. That is sufficient if we want to look at pressing.
 
Its not just pressing its defending in general and not just that its the other duties of a center forward.
Hold up play, link up play, working the channels, he falls behind in all this categories.

The only things he brings are those goals he gets literally, and it isn't good enough when you consider his wages, demand to always play and the need to work around his weaknesses.
It is a limitation on the team tactical flexibility.
Having a center forward who can't hold the ball up or can't run the channels either, if you play him wide then you need one of your midfielder covering for him defensively, all for what?
Actually I still remember clearly his link up play has been head and shoulder above our other forwards last season. Believe or not, I was actually more impressed with his link up play at times rather than his finishing.
 
See, you guys make crap up. And believe it. How much did Ronaldo average pressures wise? 6.54 per 90. Lewa? 9.68. 3 more per game and you’re saying imagine bayern without the pressing from their forwards? Seriously stop making crap up. For context, Firmino, who does actually press a ton, averaged 23.48 per 90.

There are multiple ways to win in football. You lot think there’s literally no other way to win than without having your striker run around like a headless chicken. So stupid to the point its infuriating.

Btw, to back up what I said unlike you lot who just say random crap, here are the sources:

https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo

https://fbref.com/en/players/8d78e732/Robert-Lewandowski

https://fbref.com/en/players/4c370d81/Roberto-Firmino

Also to add to it, Benzema who just won both the big trophies and was great all year:

https://fbref.com/en/players/70d74ece/Karim-Benzema

Yeah…..
Good post. People here should at least be consistent of their own claims. If they think pressing is so important to assess CF player, than they can’t possibly argue against anyone who claim Firmino > Lewandowski or Benzema too, which is idiotic.
 
Chiesa injured
Dybala injured
No new striker bought until the 2nd half of the season as Ronaldo left after the season start

This is what happens when you play with Morata as your main striker..
Interesting before Chiesa joined Juventus, they won league title every season for so many years. After Chiesa joined they lost the league first time in many years. Using those anti-Ronaldo logic, which is gaining popularity lately, Chiesa is making Juventus worst team, dropping from 1st to 4th.
 
Gegenpressing and total football are not the only systems in football. There are various ways to play besides relying on a system of approach. ETH already knew about Ronaldo even before he became manager, so he knows what sort of formations Ronaldo can play in. Ronaldo's key attributes is his capability to attack spaces, position himself in good areas and provide a good finish to the final ball, which is what ETH needs now.

Besides, Ronaldo does positional pressing where he tries to narrow down the space for which the opponent goalkeeper or center back can pass into. That is sufficient if we want to look at pressing.
Funny isn’t it when this season Real Madrid won CL beating the likes of very best gengenpressing/total football teams, when their main CF Benzema doesn’t really press, while they mostly just sit back and play counter.
 
Actually I still remember clearly his link up play has been head and shoulder above our other forwards last season. Believe or not, I was actually more impressed with his link up play at times rather than his finishing.

It was definitely not better than Sancho who had the 2nd most key passes on the team, and he isn't a player who'll try a lot of high-risk passes so most of his key passes come from his link-up play.
 


Basically :lol:

Fans will still chant his name and sing his song too


This sums it up well, there were no takers for him, at least the clubs he wanted. Bayern officials denied Ronaldo links openly in the media 2 times, Chelsea owner looks like budget Woodward and Tuchel asked him to shut it.

So his options are limited, unless he wants to go back to Sporting.
 
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