Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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What other deals? Unless someone can tell me otherwise we haven’t announced a single sponsor since he was here. And stopping him from going to a rival due to the prestige and embarrassment of them having a semi-washed up Ronaldo is precisely the shit decision that got us into this mess. ETH will not want an unhappy Ronaldo anywhere near the squad - he needs the team to fully buy-in to him as quickly as possible - it’s time the club put football first.

No idea why this is so difficult to get for some people. If Pep decides to sign 50 year old Cantona for his first team we should step in and sign him up just to stop that happening?
 
I don't disagree about your last point. If Ten Hag doesn't want him, I'm very happy to get rid.

And generally there's deals in place, like if United make Adidas a certain amount of money, United get pay outs or more money the next season and things like that. Not to mention TV companies will play our matches more around the world. There's more clamor to watch Ronaldo play etc. It's all things Chelsea would then benefit from. I'm sure someone else or some research on it will enlighten you.
Again - we don’t directly get money from that. We don’t negotiate our own broadcasting deals so it makes little difference. And I’d love to see a source that says we have a Ronaldo clause in our shirt deal sponsor of bonuses - the only thing I’ve ever seen is a cut if we fail to make the CL and a small percentage of each shirt sold. What I do know is in the last year we’ve lost Tag as a watch sponsor and Aeroflot as our plane sponsor - neither replaced. So I’m not entirely sure what massive commercial impact Ronaldo has had. We’re already at the top table sponsorship wise so there’s very little increase to be had - for Chelsea it could make a big difference - but it hasn’t for us.
 
All of this has got me reading this article:

https://thoughtcatalog.com/juan-villoro/2016/02/the-curious-case-of-cristiano-ronaldo/

Pretty damming assessment of Ronaldo’s narcissism, but also rightly acknowledges that it’s a trait that makes him a great.
Quite ALOT of exaggeration with regards to him being "a dribbler par excellence " or that no one can match him for "pure atleticism"

Other than that, the article is old and points out his "me, myself and Cristiano" attitude which is one of his defining attributes.
 
So a 37 soon to be 38 year old with no pre season during a World Cup year? New high intensity pressing manager too? I think I prefer he just leave. I don’t expect him to have a strong season in these conditions.

if goes Chelsea. Tuchel will be sacked by Xmas.
 
I don't disagree about your last point. If Ten Hag doesn't want him, I'm very happy to get rid.

And generally there's deals in place, like if United make Adidas a certain amount of money, United get pay outs or more money the next season and things like that. Not to mention TV companies will play our matches more around the world. There's more clamor to watch Ronaldo play etc. It's all things Chelsea would then benefit from. I'm sure someone else or some research on it will enlighten you.
There has been no significant change in our revenue since signing Ronaldo according to our club accounts.
 
So a 37 soon to be 38 year old with no pre season during a World Cup year? New high intensity pressing manager too? I think I prefer he just leave. I don’t expect him to have a strong season in these conditions.

if goes Chelsea. Tuchel will be sacked by Xmas.

If by "soon" you mean 7 months away then yes.
 








So that's that then? Could've been a lot more coy instead of being so definitive if an exit is really on the cards...
 
How likely is it that there is some aftermath family wise from the recent death of his newborn? The guy was back in training 3 days later after it happened which doesn't seem like a great deal of time to process it for him or his partner. So, it's possible that there is something there about having personal reasons. Which part of me wants to believe (in the kindest way) but the stuff coming out about his agent shipping him around casts doubt on that for me.
 
How likely is it that there is some aftermath family wise from the recent death of his newborn? The guy was back in training 3 days later after it happened which doesn't seem like a great deal of time to process it for him or his partner. So, it's possible that there is something there about having personal reasons. Which part of me wants to believe (in the kindest way) but the stuff coming out about his agent shipping him around casts doubt on that for me.

I don't think there's a genuine issue, he's just on strike and wants to leave. If it wasn't for the agent briefings about him leaving then I'm sure we'd all sympathise, but I mean come on...
 
I don't think there's a genuine issue, he's just on strike and wants to leave. If it wasn't for the agent briefings about him leaving then I'm sure we'd all sympathise, but I mean come on...

His mother is 70 years old. She's a cancer survivor and she just had a stroke a few months ago. I wouldn't talk with such confidence if I were you.
 
So a 37 soon to be 38 year old with no pre season during a World Cup year? New high intensity pressing manager too? I think I prefer he just leave. I don’t expect him to have a strong season in these conditions.

if goes Chelsea. Tuchel will be sacked by Xmas.
Manager prefers that he stays. He must know something you don't.
 
Nice to see Ten Hag definitively state that McGuire will be captain. Cristiano will have to accept that because Ten Hag appears to be the type of guy who won't put up with a primadonna attitude.
 
I think it was @troylocker who posted a detailed breakdown of sponsorship over the last few years. There's hardly been any difference since Ronaldo joined.
Sorry but that's just silly. Most sponsorship deals will take year or two to negotiate, so we won't see the full extent of the Ronaldo effect for a year or two. The Tezos deal should be a good indicator though. AON were paying us £15m per year for training kit + training ground naming rights. Tezos are paying anywhere between £20m-£24m just for the training kit. That's anywhere between a 33% to 60% uplift for less rights. If Ronaldo sticks around for another two years, we will be in a different league. PSG have Messi, Mbappe and Neymar, yet we've grown faster than them on social media thanks to Ronaldo.
 


They're just not that into you fella...

I doubt it's a lack of ambition at all to be honest - we could sign Neymar, Van Dijk, KDB, TAA, prime Cafu and God himself and we still couldn't win the CL this season. That's what he cares about and he has 1 year left on his deal.
 


They're just not that into you fella...

My theory: Ronaldo doesn't like the strict patterns of play ETH wants to implement at United, he doesn't fancy playing for a manager who would ask him to do more defending and do other stuff for the team other than just play in the box. its probably why he choose Ole over Pep last summer.
He is hiding behind the lack of ambition thing because he knows stating his true reasons wouldn't come out right, he has always played in teams that put individual brilliance over patterns of play so at 37 wouldn't want to play under a manager who does it the opposite.
 
The Chelsea link was always going to be a longshot given that Tuchel is seemingly looking at moving towards a fluid and interchanging frontline rather than using a traditional number 9 after they let Lukaku go.

Don't think the new owners desire for a sexy signing would override Tuchel's authority regarding how he wants his team set up. Would set a bad precedent so early in the new ownership and risk pissing Tuchel off royally
 








So that's that then? Could've been a lot more coy instead of being so definitive if an exit is really on the cards...

Some managers would flat out refuse to comment. But EtH happily lied through his teeth. That's something I actually like to see in a manager. It'll give him greater options to play mind games with the media and the opposition this season.
 
Sorry but that's just silly. Most sponsorship deals will take year or two to negotiate, so we won't see the full extent of the Ronaldo effect for a year or two. The Tezos deal should be a good indicator though. AON were paying us £15m per year for training kit + training ground naming rights. Tezos are paying anywhere between £20m-£24m just for the training kit. That's anywhere between a 33% to 60% uplift for less rights. If Ronaldo sticks around for another two years, we will be in a different league. PSG have Messi, Mbappe and Neymar, yet we've grown faster than them on social media thanks to Ronaldo.
Don’t think this is true. Juve’s commercial revenue shot up the very financial year they signed Ronaldo. Ticket prices were put up 30% and they renegotiated deals with sponsors. Whereas ours has remained largely the same post Ronaldo. The truth is we’re such a massive world wide brand that no one person is going to significantly affect our earnings.
 
My theory: Ronaldo doesn't like the strict patterns of play ETH wants to implement at United, he doesn't fancy playing for a manager who would ask him to do more defending and do other stuff for the team other than just play in the box. its probably why he choose Ole over Pep last summer.
He is hiding behind the lack of ambition thing because he knows stating his true reasons wouldn't come out right, he has always played in teams that put individual brilliance over patterns of play so at 37 wouldn't want to play under a manager who does it the opposite.
I think the ambition thing is legit but I think it’s a misuse of the word. Obviously, Man Utd as a club aim to get back to the very top but in the immediate future, the expectations are a bit lower (4th place finish at best) which isn’t enough for Ronaldo as he’s in his final years and wants one serious last crack at winning trophies.

I think that and the lack of CL football is what has exacerbated his desire to leave. Had United finished top 4, I think he would’ve probably stayed. Because at least if he’s not winning the competition, he’s at least playing in it and adding to his tally (and preventing hiss eternal nemesis from gaining ground on him).

No CL football is really a big deal for him imo.
 
Well 2 points

1) I disagree that all of them would have bought a shirt anyway. He signed August 31 when the season was underway and then there was a wave of shirts being sold. It's directly because he rejoined.

2) He's top seller again so far this season even with the question mark over his head. And you say he signs once, but this summer will be the "once" he signs for Chelsea, so my point stands. The second he signs, they'll sell shit loads of Ronaldo 7 Chelsea shirts.
And clubs don't see profits on shirt sales. It's a myth.

You think Adidas are paying us 75 Mill a year to make our shirts and we make the money from selling them ?
 
I genuinely can’t believe how ignorant people can be. The man just lost a baby and his mother had a stroke not long ago. And people still would rather believe he is on strike than believe reality. He has family issues, he has gone to Madrid and that’s where his girlfriends family resides, it makes perfect sense.

Im sure Mendes is exploring all the options, that’s normal. It’s literally his job to do that because you never know what can happen in football.

Give him time. He will be back, the manager wants him back.
 
Don’t think this is true. Juve’s commercial revenue shot up the very financial year they signed Ronaldo. Ticket prices were put up 30% and they renegotiated deals with sponsors. Whereas ours has remained largely the same post Ronaldo. The truth is we’re such a massive world wide brand that no one person is going to significantly affect our earnings.
I mean our shirt sponsor, training kit sponsor and sleeve sponsor were either activated last year or this, so hard to really renegotiate those. We're not really close to being the biggest club though, the likes of Real and Barca have double the number of followers on social media, we won't be catching them without a mega star like Ronaldo on our books.
 
I think the ambition thing is legit but I think it’s a misuse of the word. Obviously, Man Utd as a club aim to get back to the very top but in the immediate future, the expectations are a bit lower (4th place finish at best) which isn’t enough for Ronaldo as he’s in his final years and wants one serious last crack at winning trophies.

I think that and the lack of CL football is what has exacerbated his desire to leave. Had United finished top 4, I think he would’ve probably stayed. Because at least if he’s not winning the competition, he’s at least playing in it and adding to his tally (and preventing hiss eternal nemesis from gaining ground on him).

No CL football is really a big deal for him imo.
No team who can win the Champions league would take Ronaldo as that would be counterproductive, He knew what united had become post SAF before coming.
He saw a team in 2nd place and his ego convinced him he was the missing piece to attain success. His appetite for grandeur is his biggest motivation but at the same time its the reason why he is struggling to get a new club. No one wants the Ronaldo show when the Ronaldo show has taken his last two clubs backwards.
 
No team who can win the Champions league would take Ronaldo as that would be counterproductive, He knew what united had become post SAF before coming.
He saw a team in 2nd place and his ego convinced him he was the missing piece to attain success. His appetite for grandeur is his biggest motivation but at the same time its the reason why he is struggling to get a new club. No one wants the Ronaldo show when the Ronaldo show has taken his last two clubs backwards.
Exactly my thoughts as well, although United have signed Sancho and Varane as well. He probably thought that with him and these guys, United can improve on the 2nd position last season and challenge. If there are silverwares, then the marketing story of how CR7 finally elevated United will go on none stop, more feathers to add into his GOAT narrative.

Then reality bites, and now all elite teams will see his track record of taking both Juve and United backwards and say “Thanks but no thanks”, unless they want his marketing value
 
No team who can win the Champions league would take Ronaldo as that would be counterproductive, He knew what united had become post SAF before coming.
He saw a team in 2nd place and his ego convinced him he was the missing piece to attain success. His appetite for grandeur is his biggest motivation but at the same time its the reason why he is struggling to get a new club. No one wants the Ronaldo show when the Ronaldo show has taken his last two clubs backwards.
Spot on. Sums up my thoughts as well.
 
No team who can win the Champions league would take Ronaldo as that would be counterproductive, He knew what united had become post SAF before coming.
He saw a team in 2nd place and his ego convinced him he was the missing piece to attain success. His appetite for grandeur is his biggest motivation but at the same time its the reason why he is struggling to get a new club. No one wants the Ronaldo show when the Ronaldo show has taken his last two clubs backwards.
I think saying he took Juventus backwards is a disingenuous analysis of why Juve actually regressed.
 
I think saying he took Juventus backwards is a disingenuous analysis of why Juve actually regressed.
The massive transfer fee and wages contributed.

Quote by Juventus teammate
When asked by Sky Sport Italia if Juventus are playing more as a team without Ronaldo, the Italian defender said: 'It's absolutely true.

'In the recent past we had lost this characteristic from Juve, we were playing with a great champion like CR7 and we wanted to put him in a position to always do well, thinking he could solve all the matches.
 
Exactly my thoughts as well, although United have signed Sancho and Varane as well. He probably thought that with him and these guys, United can improve on the 2nd position last season and challenge. If there are silverwares, then the marketing story of how CR7 finally elevated United will go on none stop, more feathers to add into his GOAT narrative.

Then reality bites, and now all elite teams will see his track record of taking both Juve and United backwards and say “Thanks but no thanks”, unless they want his marketing value

That's exactly what happened, in my opinion. As you said, he probably thought he could be the difference between 2nd place and 1st and thought it would be a bit feather in his cap to do so.

Instead, he came back to the club that he was loved it, couldn't be bothered to move a muscle except to take shots (bottom one percentile of forwards and midfielders in terms of sprints) and had a deleterious effect on the team, which saw us go from 2nd to 6th and have our worst season of the premier league era.

He's now realized that he's in over his head and has decided to throw himself at every big club in Europe to find a way out, because this stint has tarnished the the image that many supporters had.
 
I genuinely can’t believe how ignorant people can be. The man just lost a baby and his mother had a stroke not long ago. And people still would rather believe he is on strike than believe reality. He has family issues, he has gone to Madrid and that’s where his girlfriends family resides, it makes perfect sense.

Im sure Mendes is exploring all the options, that’s normal. It’s literally his job to do that because you never know what can happen in football.

Give him time. He will be back, the manager wants him back.
This would make too much sense. There can't possibly be a rational explanation. It always has to be something negative.
 
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