Cristiano Ronaldo (I stay)

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mshnsh said:
Let me describe Real Madrid and Ronaldo's UCL winning campaigns:

2013/14:
Played weak teams in the form of schalke (and Dortmund (who finished 21 pts behind Bayern) in Rd 16 and qf but Real and Ronaldo got the job done.

In the semi fair enough the won against a good side. But Guardiola's Barcs tactics in the absence of Barca type players was found out; a high line plus wide central defenders without players with the same technical ability against a counter attacking side was fatal. As for Ronaldo, he scored twice: the first was purely due Bale's selflessness and Ronaldo making sure he was the chief beneficiary. His second was a good free kick, credit where its due. Other than that, his performance wasn't really memorable.

As for the final, Real were lucky in the end to win it and Ronaldo was probably the worst player on yhe pitch.

2015/16:
Ronaldo was good against Roma in q16 both legs. Roma themselves missed a dozen sitters in both legs. Hardly dominant from Real but so typical of them in the ucl.

In the quarter finals, Real and Ronaldo were poor in the first leg vs a very poor Wolfsburg side. In the second leg, Real turned it around courtesy of a hattrick from Ronaldo that was as jammy as can be. Other than that, his and Real Madrid's performance was nothing to write home about.

In the semi, Ronaldo was anonymous vs a city side that wasn't really great. And ofcourse, if he doesn't score, you forget he is on the pitch.

In the final, again Real were saved by a last minute goal by Ramos. Ronaldo himself was quite poor.

2016/17:
This one I give you. Both Ronaldo and Real Madrid deserved to win and Ronaldo's goals were the most important reason for the ucl win. The only lucky game for Madrid was vs Bayern. By this time, Ronaldo had perfected the art of poaching.

2017/18:
Other than that game in Turin, Ronaldo wasn't great (despite his goals vs psg in R16)and actually was terrible in the semis and the final. Perhaps the worst player on the pitch.

In summary Real Madrids UCL wins had significant luck, significant goals from Ronaldo/Benzema/Bale/Ramos and a few good performances.
They often rode luck or depended on someone to score a last minute goals to win the competition and yhe same was true last season.

On the contrary other teams like ourselves in 2008, Barcelona, Bayern were the best teams in their ucl winning seasons.
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It seems like you downplay any performance he has where he “just scored 2 goals” if it doesn’t qualify in your metric as a good performance. In the 2014 semis; he also made a key pass that led to Benzema’s opener in the first leg and generally had a good performance in relation to what was asked of the team.
We can conclude that he was great more than 90% of the time for Madrid in the CL.

And your point about Madrid being massively lucky is an interesting one. Every team gets some element of luck. You say Barca were always dominant but that isn’t necessarily true. They should’ve been eliminated by Chelsea in the ‘09 semis. That was anything but a dominate performance. They were outplayed home and away. We were also outplayed by Barca in the 2008 semis home and away and to a lesser extent Chelsea in the final even after they went down to 10 men. Every team has some “luck” when winning a cup competition such as the CL.
 
We can only hope that a rich club panic signs him later in the window or he is willing to drop his wages significantly to the point where the not-so-rich CL clubs can afford him, because right now no one seems to have any interest, which tbh doesn't surprise me at all. Age & cost relative to what he brings to a team just isn't an attractive proposition, and the main draw really is the commercial impact
 
AndySmith1990 said:
We can only hope that a rich club panic signs him later in the window or he is willing to drop his wages significantly to the point where the not-so-rich CL clubs can afford him, because right now no one seems to have any interest, which tbh doesn't surprise me at all. Age & cost relative to what he brings to a team just isn't an attractive proposition, and the main draw really is the commercial impact
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Major issue with that is him leaving late in the window screws us when it comes to replacing him.
 
pocco said:
Worst outcome for us is keeping an unhappy Ronaldo and it overshadowed our season/undermining ETH. And that's looking very likely right now.

Everything Ole touched has turned into an unmitigated disaster.
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Ronaldo was a Woodward signing to be fair. I think Ole would have preferred to make Greenwood the CF last year.
 
Blood Mage said:
Ronaldo was a Woodward signing to be fair. I think Ole would have preferred to make Greenwood the CF last year.
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Solskjaer's whole thing was running a Manchester United tribute act so I'm sure he was happy enough to go along with the nostalgic element of it and apparently he approve of the signing but I'm sure the plan initially arose because Woodward saw the commercial opportunities and the chance to "get one over" on City.
 
I wonder if he would be interested in joining the MLS league if none of the CL clubs want him? This will probably happen in a years time regardless of the current situation
 
Blood Mage said:
Ronaldo was a Woodward signing to be fair. I think Ole would have preferred to make Greenwood the CF last year.
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Yep.

Although I think Ole's plan was more to play Cavani as a high presser.

Solskjaer didn't to pull out all the stops to convince Cavani to stay, only to intend bring in Ronaldo at the last second. We'd already moved away from a static CF when we sold Lukaku. It was a complete u-turn on what the manager was trying to build.

Buying Ronaldo was very much a marketing move more than a footballing one. Ole said 'yes' to it because Ronaldo is still a good player. But he quite obviously wasn't planned or especially wanted.

The backlash against dropping Ronaldo showed how political the whole thing became. He's the best example of a white elephant you'll ever see in football.
 
pocco said:
Worst outcome for us is keeping an unhappy Ronaldo and it overshadowed our season/undermining ETH. And that's looking very likely right now.

Everything Ole touched has turned into an unmitigated disaster.
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This. For that reason I'm not overly bothered if he ends up at Chelsea at this point, though obviously would prefer abroad.
 
Blood Mage said:
Ronaldo was a Woodward signing to be fair. I think Ole would have preferred to make Greenwood the CF last year.
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From what I read, Ronaldo was more about Fergie calling the Glazers directly and asking them to sign him back.

Of course Woodward wasn't opposed to it.
 
Baneofthegame said:
If Chelsea and Bayern are out, not sure who buys him matching his supposed criteria.
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We've got to hope PSG step up, but I just cannot imagine them wanting to add Ronaldo to their circus. They're supposed to be giving up on the big name signing and trying to actually build a well balanced team now. I'd be surprised is Galtier wants him.

Other than that, I see nobody. Hopefully one of the Italian clubs steps in. Or even a return to Sporting Lisbon before he hits the USA.
 
He has shown his mid-finger to our pre-season, including his coaches and team-mates. Let him rot on the bench and he will feck off for sure. You can't let toxicity go unnoticed or unpunished.
 
Ralph1386 said:
From what I read, Ronaldo was more about Fergie calling the Glazers directly and asking them to sign him back.

Of course Woodward wasn't opposed to it.
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yes this is what i recall. Woodward made it happen very quickly, Rio was giving him credit for that. Supposedly Fergie said look, if he goes City all hell will break loose
 
No one wants him - wonder how he’ll explain that away to himself with that fecking ego of his.

Twat.
 
Wages aside, where would he fit?

Napoli?
Juventus return?
Atletico?
Lazio or Roma? (but no CL to offer)

What if Newcastle ponied an insane offer?
Is Monaco still flush with funds?
 
MrMarcello said:
Wages aside, where would he fit?

Napoli?
Juventus return?
Atletico?
Lazio or Roma? (but no CL to offer)

What if Newcastle ponied an insane offer?
Is Monaco still flush with funds?
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Sporting.

He'll sign for them on 30th Aug when it's clear that no top club is stupid enough. Same with last year even us didn't want him. We only signed him out of fear him joining City and because SAF wanted us to.
 
clarkydaz said:
yes this is what i recall. Woodward made it happen very quickly, Rio was giving him credit for that. Supposedly Fergie said look, if he goes City all hell will break loose
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If Manchester City won their first ever Champions League with arguably Manchester United's greatest ever player as their talisman, it would have been the start of the apocalypse. A million times worse than RvP winning the league at United. And even more momentous than Figo to Real (Figo wasn't revered at Barca the way Ronaldo is put on a pedestal at United).

Even though Ronaldo turned out to be a problematic signing in a lot of ways, it was still worth it to avoid the alternative timeline.
 
He’ll stay because the jig is up. The entire footballing world, bar a small pocket of hero worshippers on the internet, has cottoned onto the fact that he’s done. Boehly was the last hope but Tuchel has sense unfortunately.
 
ThanksBoss26 said:
Sporting wouldn't be able to get near his requested wage would they?
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This won't be on his list of priorities if he goes back there. It's more to do with him returning to his first professional team, the shot of finally winning the league of his home country and, most importantly, playing in the bloody Champions League next season.

Contrary to most on here I want him to stay and I think he'll end up staying. But I just want this whole circus to end, goddamnit, regardless of end result.
 
Dante said:
Although I think Ole's plan was more to play Cavani as a high presser.

Solskjaer didn't to pull out all the stops to convince Cavani to stay, only to intend bring in Ronaldo at the last second. We'd already moved away from a static CF when we sold Lukaku. It was a complete u-turn on what the manager was trying to build.

Buying Ronaldo was very much a marketing move more than a footballing one. Ole said 'yes' to it because Ronaldo is still a good player. But he quite obviously wasn't planned or especially wanted.
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Bringing in him in late August obviously shows he wasn't planned. But I disagree on him not being wanted. I never saw this great system that Solskjaer supposedly implemented, and I believe he would have prefered talent over system.
 
What's his obsession with the CL? Is he the leading scorer or close to it?

There must be a club interested for him to pull that stunt last week, makes no sense otherwise. Surprised no links to Milan.
 
Feck we are stuck with him now, aren’t we? Chelsea are the only realistic ones who can buy and afford his wages and Tuchel doesn’t want him. Bayern and PSG aren’t touching him

Could Sporting Lisbon be a possible destination and him taking a massive paycut to go there?
 
RaddyRed said:
What's his obsession with the CL? Is he the leading scorer or close to it?

There must be a club interested for him to pull that stunt last week, makes no sense otherwise. Surprised no links to Milan.
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Because they have Maldini and Pioli who are trying to build something, they aren't going to bring him to wreck their plans.
 
Blood Mage said:
Ronaldo was a Woodward signing to be fair. I think Ole would have preferred to make Greenwood the CF last year.
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Nah, this was Ole as much as anyone. At the end of the day, he's a United fan. Bringing Ronaldo back to United was a United fan's wet dream. He was as much behind this transfer as anyone.
 
If he had a pure winner aura with veteran understanding of situation, it wouldnt be an issue for him to stay in worst case scenarion but because he is a obnoxious selfish ego driven cnut thats pure in free for all mode with being ultra winner on top, his aura will do only harm to dressing room, imagine if he is benched or subbed every game.

In worst case scenario If nobody wants him just pay most wages send him to loan in some CL top 5 club and forget about it.
 
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